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General Category => New Model Army => Topic started by: peternotbaldyet on October 05, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
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Just been on bbc.co.uk/later and scrolled down to the facebook link and then left a message stating a case for an appearance by the band on the programme. I think you should all do it...
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Here's what I sent them......... If I get any response I'll share it of course.
I've watched Later... over the years, and the Hootenanny aswell...... There's been some astounding performances here n there n some stinkers (Lou Reed n Metallica? Dear god in heaven "I am the table!".... WTF was that?).......
Anyways, it seems to me, and alot of others, the one TRULY independant, in spirit, thought, deed, style you name it, on Britain's, and Europe's on the whole scene has never been invited on? They played the Tube and very successfully too, but NEVER Later? Seems odd......
Can you tell me why NEW MODEL ARMY have never been deemed worthy? 30 plus years of consistently thought provoking, articulate lyrics, set to some times brutal, sometimes tender, always heart felt musical back drop..........
Never less than stunning live, the concert dance floor (Pit to them on it), always alive and a thing unto itself..... A band so graced with a following of devoted, talented, thinkers around them, a film now made about their history, a new chart bothering lp, a genuine worldwide cult band. Truly ahead of the game by going it alone from Major Label influence when they left SONY rather than be forced into an ill fitting box, to suit the marketing needs of the label, and at the height (so it was said) of their own commercial success.......... But no space on Later...? Doesn't add up to me.......
They've consistently sold as many and more records than a number of "regulars" on the Later... roster too....... I'd be very interested to know if there's a reason?
Cheers
Stoney
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I don't understand it either. 7 or 8 years ago Jools was covering Glastonbury when NMA played there and he namechecked them but they weren't on tv. Watched Jools last night and Chas and Dave were on. They were very very good. They haven't got a top 40 album though.
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maybe they were asked and didn't want to?
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Skratch, you could be right, but there was a Tom Jones documentary on the BBC a couple of years ago and it was a retrospective of his life. It featured and interviewed a lot of the acts he worked with in the 80's and 90's. NMA never got a mention. I think they get ignored because where they are known they are perceived to be troublesome or something. There is a superb interview years ago with Timmy Mallett that I bet the Mallett still has nightmares about!
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Definitely not the case Skratch... there's an interview on here somewhere where Justin states that he'd love to do it but has never been asked.
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I do remember Ed being on Later with Jools Holland ages ago when Purple electric violin concerto came out.
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Maybe Jools remembers NMA from one of his old shows The Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPOsvy4KbmQ
And is scared ;D
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Just sent a message via the later FB page as follows:
When booking guests for 'Later', please give carefull consideration to New Model Army. While many of their peers are happy to do the retro nostalgia circuit living on past glories, NMA are still producing new, vibrant music, still developing, still evolving.
Fiercely independant of spirit, thought, and career, with a devoted global following, and an unparallelled live performance, they are Britains musical 'buried treasure' , making it on their own terms, with little recognition of their contributions or influence on the indie/alternative scene
With a new album that is being widely lauded as a career best, I urge you to invite this wonderful band to perform on your show.
Sincerely,
David
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:-\ I'm still stunned to learn that NMA have NEVER been to ...Later!
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I sent an email to BBC complaints last year on this subject and received the following reply:
Reference CAS-1237235-2GDC1T
Thank you for contacting us regarding 'Later With Jools Holland', BBC One.
I understand you're unhappy that the band 'New Model Army ' have not been invited to appear on the show. I note that you're a great fan of the band and feel they would be appropriate to appear on the programme as they have a large international following.
I would like to thank you for taking the time to contact us regarding this, we appreciate and welcome feedback from all of our audience members.
I would also like to assure you that your comments have been registered on our audience log.
This is a daily report of audience feedback that’s made available to many BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, producers of 'Later With Jools' and other senior managers.
The audience logs are important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
Stephanie Etchells
BBC Complaints
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Hmmm...sounds like the BBC response is something like this...
'Thank you. Now please f** off and stop bothering us, we're too busy trying to book bands who will be trendy for the next ten minutes but nobody will remember a year from now...'
;)
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True but if you go through BBC complaints they have to reply, I believe
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After thinking about it, I've submitted my complaint frankly. It's utter shite that they still ignore NMA at this point.
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I think it's great that folk are engaging and trying to do something positive but.......
Maybe I'm too old and cynical now. Does anyone think something could happen from it? I can't see how NMA would fit into a neat little marketable, "demographic"group who have fans wiith spending power to persuade the financiers to book 'em. Honestly ask yourself, what does the BBC gain from putting the band on? Might be enough global fans to warrant it but those of us who live in the British Isles who have to pay the licence fee probably already watch at least sometimes and they know that.
Artistic merit and quality? Don't believe it's part of the equation. How many of those no hit wonders who had 3 minutes of airplay on some fleetingly trendy radio station have you had to sit through before getting to something good?
Really hope I'm proved to be totally and utterly talking out of my behind. :-*
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Just bloody minded principle to to make a point really........ If I didn't try they'd never know how I/we/some of us feel about the cartel on taste........
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Whoa fella - assume that's directed at me?
If there was a bloody minded principle to make a point in what I said it was about the state of the BBC not about you or what you are trying to achieve. I meant that first sentence - I do think it's great what yourself and others are doing. If it came across as a dig then i'm sorry it wasn't supposed to. My comments are ,yes, cynical and ,perhaps, not overly positive but they are directed towards the way things seem to operate these days not towards any individual with enough energy to still kick against the pricks.
For what it's worth I spent 6 years working in the Private Offices of 2 cabinet ministers specifically dealing with complaints and believe me I became very adept at the smooth talking palm off. I recognise the smell of thank you very much now bugger off tone of an official reply. Like I say that is a reflection of "them" not you or anyone else.
In my time I've emailed various radio stations/programmes asking the same questions you have because I share the bemusement of how this band can be so ignored. Certainly I can't think of another band with a 33 year history that NEVER features on anything. But that doesn't change the fact that the question springs to mind of will anything change? In this discussion I'd have thought that was a valid point to raise not a right hook?
I kinda approach this board like a conversation with people in a comfy pub - topics come up, people shoot the breeze and offer up thoughts that come to mind, then we get the next round in. Maybe I'm wrong and this is a place of black and white certainty with no room for meandering thought. Shame really.
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By all means tell me to butt-out, but I think Stoney was referring to his own bloody mindedness in persisting with it, when as you suggest, they may well not be interested.
That said, has anyone got a link to BBC/Later outside of facebook. Then some of us Luddites can av a go ?
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In reply to Anna, I would say that another 33 years down the line when there's another documentary due out, there will be a long lost clip of the bands only appearance on the Jools Holland show which I will have completely forgotten by then because I will be 82. (But still occasionally humming 'Vagabonds')
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Artistic merit and quality? Don't believe it's part of the equation.
Really hope I'm proved to be totally and utterly talking out of my behind. :-*
Yeah, I'm with you on that, Anna. And, as much as I may like ...Later With Jools Holland, I didn't really need radio/TV airplay to get into NMA as a late friend of mine introduced me to the band via a Brazilian pressing of The Ghost Of Cain. So there! ;D
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Whoa fella - assume that's directed at me?
If there was a bloody minded principle to make a point in what I said it was about the state of the BBC not about you or what you are trying to achieve. I meant that first sentence - I do think it's great what yourself and others are doing. If it came across as a dig then i'm sorry it wasn't supposed to. My comments are ,yes, cynical and ,perhaps, not overly positive but they are directed towards the way things seem to operate these days not towards any individual with enough energy to still kick against the pricks.
For what it's worth I spent 6 years working in the Private Offices of 2 cabinet ministers specifically dealing with complaints and believe me I became very adept at the smooth talking palm off. I recognise the smell of thank you very much now bugger off tone of an official reply. Like I say that is a reflection of "them" not you or anyone else.
In my time I've emailed various radio stations/programmes asking the same questions you have because I share the bemusement of how this band can be so ignored. Certainly I can't think of another band with a 33 year history that NEVER features on anything. But that doesn't change the fact that the question springs to mind of will anything change? In this discussion I'd have thought that was a valid point to raise not a right hook?
I kinda approach this board like a conversation with people in a comfy pub - topics come up, people shoot the breeze and offer up thoughts that come to mind, then we get the next round in. Maybe I'm wrong and this is a place of black and white certainty with no room for meandering thought. Shame really.
I didn't take offense, and my comment wasn't a dig at you at all, not eve a sarcastic one./
I genuinely sent my complaint out of sheer bloody mindedness on my part. I realise the chances of changing the self serving empoers new clothes mentality at th Later... is about nil. But I felt better for prodding their ever so so self satisfied n smirking faces a bit....... Simple as that really.....
It seems to me, if enough of us made enough of a song n dance about the snub maybe, just maybe it would change.
Shy kids get no sweets after all? You can't really moan about government if you don't at least VOTE in an election surely the same applies is all.....
Still, if my comment caused you to feel like I was having ago, agan it wasnm't what was implied..... My right hyook is something entirely different to that comment after all.... hahahahhahaaa
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By all means tell me to butt-out, but I think Stoney was referring to his own bloody mindedness in persisting with it, when as you suggest, they may well not be interested.
That said, has anyone got a link to BBC/Later outside of facebook. Then some of us Luddites can av a go ?
Exactly the point, thank you. I was a bit taken aback to think otherwise.
There is a link to follow, I'll dig it out and edit back into this reply in a second.
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Thanks for the link. If enough of us do it, the NMA question may at least be raised at the next meeting of the shows producers etc. I think also if a few of us do it we will all be sent the same preconceived responce. Anyhow, this is what I sent when I eventually made it through all the boxes to tick ,,
Dear Sir / Madam.
I am a viewer of your show, Later with Jools Holland. This program I admire as it is the best show on TV at this time for promoting original music performed by live acts who have written some wonderful material. As such I find it quite unusual that the British band, - New Model Army from Bradford have never appeared on your show. This band which has been performing music as a live act for 33 years across the World, and released twelve studio albums is internationally recognized as being one of the most highly skilled bands Britain has produced in terms of song writing, live performance and musicianship . Releasing an unrivaled variety of quality music from Post-Punk electric guitar music to gentle ballads. Such a wide variety, that it has never truly been possible to fit them into any genre of music, their performances sitting comfortably with Rock, Alternative, Folk, etc, as is reflected in the wide variety of festivals, international venues that are welcome and sought after to perform at. This band having just released its twelfth studio album, which received much high praise with the music press, off the back of it are currently on a long Europe wide tour with packed out venues which will continue till the end of the year. So my question, rather than complaint is, how is it that a music show such as Later with Jools Holland which revolves around such original artists and musical talent and ability has never approached this Band to perform on the show when it is a prime example of what the show is trying to showcase and exhibit?
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Shush, that is an excellent message. I wish mine had read like that.
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@ Stoney - Phew, glad i got the wrong end of the stick. Sorry friend x
@ Shush - Butt out? No way. to use the Comfy Pub thing again - you'd have dived in and told me I was wrong as soon as i started to frown and get all indignant x
To put something more constructive in: Is there a suggestions/questions/comments link for Later with... that could be used for the emails? could be that that might end up going to those involved with the programme itself because I imagine the BBC has a seperate department for dealing with complaints.
I think the email Shush sent is pretty damn good and to atone for my preciousness last night I have just sent an email to The Radcliffe & Maconie show on 6 Music because I can't believe NMA haven't featured on there either. And to be honest that's where I pick up most new/"new to me" music and only watch Later if there's someone on I like.Obviously what with me being me I had to be more wordy and rambling but these bits might be useful - Shush think of these as a possible 2nd draft :-*
As such I find it quite unusual that the British band New Model Army have never featured on your show. This band has been performing music as a live act for 33 years across the World, have released twelve studio albums and are internationally recognized as being one of the most highly skilled bands Britain has produced in terms of song writing, live performance and musicianship. Releasing an unrivaled variety of quality music from Post-Punk electric guitar music to gentle ballads. Such a wide variety that it has never truly been possible to fit them into any genre of music. Their performances sitting comfortably with Rock, Alternative, Folk, etc, reflected in the wide variety of festivals, international venues and places where they are welcome and sought after to perform. This band, having just released its twelfth studio album (which received high praise within the music press), are currently on a long Europe wide tour with packed out venues which will continue till the end of the year with the rest of the World due to follow in 2014.
So my questions are: How is it that a music show such as Radcliffe & Maconie which revolves around original artists, musical talent and ability have never approached this Band to feature on the show when it is a prime example of what the show is trying to showcase and exhibit? Obviously I'm a big fan of NMA who gets a bit miffed at the way they are ignored but as a big music fan the question is: If NMA aren't featured then are there other British artists with such longevity and back catalogue that I never found out about and you haven't opened my ears to?
Hope that helps in the conversation.
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I realise the chances of changing the self serving empoers new clothes mentality at th Later... is about nil.
You can't really moan about government if you don't at least VOTE in an election surely the same applies is all.....
That damned Emperor is getting everywhere... ;)
I come from the school of thought that "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal", but that's getting off topic.
I think it simply comes down to the fact that someone at the BBC just doesn't like NMA. Remember Glastonbury... :(
Complain all you like but they'll still ignore NMA... >:(
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I have to admit, I'd be amazed if we get anywhere, but I am firm believer in stating my case wether I think it'l alter anything or not. I can then feel vindicated when I do kick off after being ignored! ha ha ha
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Nice one Stoney. It's worth bothering even if it gets us nowhere. If everyone who uses this forum and the facebook page sent an email, could they just overlook it? Of course they could, but you just never know!!
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Anna, bless you. I hope one day we get the chance to have a debate in a pub - about anything you like. I like the way you think, and how passionate you get. We will find a subject that we both completely disagree on, and have bloody good argument !! ;D love a good debate. -- all the better with a few pints. :D
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Likewise Shush :-*. Bet we're at the same gig at some point and we can have those pints.
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Manics are on tonight. Not leen on 'Show me The Wonder' but hope they do 'Rewind The Film'
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Just got this reply........... Who knows wether it'll do any good, but at least it's made the point.......
Dear Mr Stone
Reference CAS-2351543-WWKH0K
Thanks for your contact regarding ‘Later...with Jools Holland’.
I was pleased to read you have watched the programme for many years, however, I understand you have concerns that New Model Army haven’t featured on the programme.
Whilst we appreciate you are a fan and would like to see New Model Army, the production team book acts to create with a journalistic, contemporary mix to the show.
They are always going to disappoint people as there is a limited amount of time on the show. This doesn't mean New Model Army won't feature on the show in the future though.
I can assure you that your comments have been registered on our audience log, which is made available to all members of the BBC, including the programme production team and senior BBC management.
This ensures your comments and others we receive are considered across the BBC.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
Nicola Maguire
BBC Complaints
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Got mine this morning also ---
Dear Andrew
Reference CAS-2352749-HZ0CPH
Thanks for your contact regarding ‘Later...with Jools Holland’.
Whilst I was pleased to read of your appreciation for the programme, I understand you have concerns that New Model Army haven’t featured on the programme.
Whilst we appreciate you are a fan and would like to see New Model Army, the production team book acts to create with a journalistic, contemporary mix to the show.
They are always going to disappoint people as there is a limited amount of time on the show. This doesn't mean New Model Army won't feature on the show in the future though.
I can assure you that your comments have been registered on our audience log, which is made available to all members of the BBC, including the programme production team and senior BBC management.
This ensures your comments and others we receive are considered across the BBC.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
Nicola Maguire
BBC Complaints
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Does anyone suspect that Nicola Mcguire doesn't actually read these emails?
It doesn't bother me that much. There are plenty of 'cult' (yet brilliant) bands that will never see airtime on the BBC again, much as they might deserve it.
**** it, as long as they keep playing and people keep showing up... it's all good.
:D
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Just to add my 10p worth Radio 6 Music sometimes play NMA. Not often but just occasionally the spirits get lifted.
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Don't think it matters that they're fairly generic replies. Fair play to anyone who drew a reply out of the BBC.
Good on ya' :-*