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General Category => New Model Army => Topic started by: Space on January 11, 2015, 11:06:33 PM
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Being a huge NMA fan I bought all their singles, and lps when they were released. Then came "Thunder and Consolation." I bought it, played it...and didn't buy another NMA record for six long years.
Things did not get off to a good start right off the bat with that album. The opening track "I Love The World" with its endlessly repeating "I love the world, I love the world" as its chorus I found to be bad, very bad. But then came the real knife in my back: "Green and Grey." The first time that song came on my turntable my jaw dropped. The opening was "Roundabout" by Yes! I HATE Yes! With "The Acoustic E.P." I realized that New Model Army were hippies, but now with the intro to "Green and Grey" I learned that New Model Army were prog rockers! Copping licks from Yes's "Roundabout." Prog rockers....I need a break from this band.
So the next NMA record I bought was six years later "The Love Of Hopeless Causes."
(I admit that I now highly rate "Thunder and Consolation." Masterpiece of an album. But the opening to "Green and Grey" is still "Roundabout.")
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"Thunder and Consolation." certainly is a masterpiece. It is always nice when the band pay tribute to it and the other 1980's albums when playing live. But, "Thunder and Consolation." was a quarter of a century ago.
The band in recent years have made several equally fine albums. The band is not a retro band that need to rely on past glories and have consistently followed on with work of equal merit. I have always got the impression from NMA that the most important album is always the latest one. The best album ever will always be the next one.
Such an attitude gives the band freedom to continue to write and perform excellent music and perform as one of the best live acts around.
"Thunder and Consolation." was indeed an excellent chapter, but the NMA book is long and just keeps getting better ;)
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The thing about "Thunder and Consolation" was that upon initial listenings I did not like it at all. But something about it kept drawing me back to it. It took a long while but eventually it all clicked with me and I now do see it as the band's finest album.
I am having a similar experience with "Dog and Wolf." Man, first listenings were tough. There was nothing there that was opening up and letting me in. It actually took the live stuff on "Wine and Blood" to get me into "Dog and Wolf" and now I am seeing that "Dog and Wolf" really is a very strong album.
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I had the same reaction to Thunder and Consolation, in that it made me wary of buying further albums of NMA. However, my worry was that they would not be able to make another album of that quality, and I would end up disappointed with the group.
Well, that sure didn't happen!
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But then came the real knife in my back: "Green and Grey." The first time that song came on my turntable my jaw dropped. The opening was "Roundabout" by Yes! I HATE Yes! With "The Acoustic E.P." I realized that New Model Army were hippies, but now with the intro to "Green and Grey" I learned that New Model Army were prog rockers! Copping licks from Yes's "Roundabout." Prog rockers....I need a break from this band.
Actually it sounded nothing like progressive rock. It's more of a folk song. I also know the song round-about and it sounds nothing like Green and Grey. The guitar part may have some similar chords but it does not sound like that. The roundabout track is keyboard and electric guitar if i remember.
From what I gather, you have mostly criticized the band's music. The early stuff was good but NMA has now developed into a more in-depth band, both lyrically and musically. I like every album but the ones after Strange Brotherhood have done the most for me emotionally.
I seem to get the impression that you have no desire to give some of the newer albums a chance.
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I think Space is talking about how much he likes BDAW...
Personally, if I was going to give a 'newbie' an NMA CD to get to grips with, it'd be Impurity... I've said before that I like it more than T+C. Be interested to hear what Space thinks about that one.
This is an unpopular opinion for many NMA fans, but I was rather disappointed by 'The Love Of Hopeless Causes', as I think I've said before... some great tracks but, quite frankly, the various b-sides blew many of the proper album tracks away, IMO. Mind you, I utterly love 'Strange Brotherhood', which even Justin has said that he isn't that fond of...
It's all in the ears and the mind.
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i like all the early albums
and i love the green and the grey
and why anyone would want to compare it to other music and then say they didn't like it because of that association is beyond me. everyone knows the nma strive to bring something new each and every time. and they tend to deliver.
i guess the disappointment for me is that space knew a song by yes and decided to share that fact here.
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Weird opinions here because it seems that for many, the overall consensus is that NMA's Masterpiece is "Thunder and consolation" ;), and their biggest selling album ever too.
I loved the album when i first listened to it in the early 90's, in high school and i still love it today...the songs, the moods, the lyrics, the sound, the cover,the booklet, everything!
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Guillaume, yes, I would agree that "Thunder and Consolation" may be NMA's high point. Very strong songs, mature, different styles...a great album. Just saying when I first played it, it sure didn't reach out to me. I had to work hard to get into that album. There are some weak songs on the album ("Archway Towers," "I Love The World" with its incessant "I love the world, I love the world" chorus) and "Inheritance" was way too odd for me to grasp at first. A song with just drums? Never heard anything like that before. (Years later I actually took my guitar and laid guitar chords over it. Made it a better tune.) But, overall, I and most others would say that "Thunder and Consolation" is probably NMA's strongest album.
As for the follow-up album "Impurity," well, that album has two of NMA's greatest songs: "Space" and "Lurhstaap." The other ten songs on the album could be crap and the album would still be great simply because of those two masterpieces. But the other ten songs aren't crap. Some good stuff on "Impurity." It does weaken in the middle with "Marrakesh," "Lust For Power," and "Bury The Hatchet;" but the rest of the album is a blast to listen to. Probably their last great album until 2014's "Dog and Wolf." That's 24 years of just blah albums. Man, the first ten years of NMA's career were just one top album, one top single after another. Those were the days.
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A song with just drums? Never heard anything like that before. (Years later I actually took my guitar and laid guitar chords over it. Made it a better tune.)
I'll still be chuckling about that this time next week.
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I did when I first read it but resisted the temptation to comment just in case we wanted to chat about red or brown sauce again :) :)
Got to laugh though :)
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I have to say that I don't listen to TandC much nowadays... mainly because I've listened to it a thousand times and can play it back in my head, note perfect, anytime I want! It is a truly great album and such a fan favourite...
Those same songs LIVE... that's a different story...
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Maybe Space can post a Youtube performance of this "better" version of Inheritance.
That I would love to see :)
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To be fair to Space... this is ******* awesome...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ch-SZkfd-E
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Marrakesh is one of the most beautiful and emotionally moving songs on the album. Bury the Hatchet is also good.
Sorry but i find it difficult to not argue with claiming this track is weak. It's luckily not a hard-rock track and more often than not the softer songs are the best NMA tracks.
I don't even want to read your opinions on Navigating by the Stars as It's one of my top albums ever and not rock.
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. (Years later I actually took my guitar and laid guitar chords over it. Made it a better tune.)
"Bizarre"ly this has for once left me lost for words ;D
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Maybe Space can post a Youtube performance of this "better" version of Inheritance.
That I would love to see :)
Nah, unfortunately I can't upload it. I recorded my guitar parts onto "Inheritance" about twenty years ago. Sadly, my work on the song is lost to the ages.
But you'll have to believe me that I improved the song. I took what Sullivan and Heaton laid down, added my guitar over it, and transformed their interesting tune into a really great tune.
I do that a lot, actually. I've even made some Beatle songs better.
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I've improved Beatles songs and have the musical talents of a Centipede on piano.
Improving a Sullivan, Heaton track from merely interesting to a really great tune, you must have a lot of talent or just poking your stick into a Hornets nest again, Im not sure which. ::)
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Nah, unfortunately I can't upload it. I recorded my guitar parts onto "Inheritance" about twenty years ago. Sadly, my work on the song is lost to the ages.
But you'll have to believe me that I improved the song. I took what Sullivan and Heaton laid down, added my guitar over it, and transformed their interesting tune into a really great tune.
Sod next week, that will keep me in giggles until about September, I reckon.
Don't hide your light under a bushel, old chap. You really are too modest.
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My two year old was playing some pots and pans over somethingon Kiss Fm the other day. I thought he did a good job lol.
Marrakech is a beautiful song. In fact id struggle to find a bad song on Impurity.
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Nah, "Marrakesh" is a rather dull song. Most of the tunes that Sullivan does with just acoustic and voice are snooze-fests. "These Words," however, is a rare exception. Great song.
When I hear a song like "Marrakesh" or "Ballad" I am always tempted to break out my electric guitar and improve the song. I don't know how the producers involved in those projects in which a slow, long, dull acoustic tune is presented didn't show a bit of strength and say, "Whoa, that sleeping pill is not going on the album."
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Space, I am glad to tell you that you are completely and utterly wrong. Marrakesh is a superb, spirit uplifting ballad. It demonstrates very well the ability of JS as a song writer and performer to able to compose a wide range of song types from punk to gentle ballads. Lyrically it is a fine piece of work.
Marrakesh and "Ballad" would be completely ruined and loose their meaning and strong impact with drums and electric guitars killing their fine flow.
AND THATS A FACT !! :D
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I completely agree with Shush. You're completely out of your mind of you think the "guitar and a voice" songs are dull.
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Maybe Space can post a Youtube performance of this "better" version of Inheritance.
That I would love to see :)
Nah, unfortunately I can't upload it. I recorded my guitar parts onto "Inheritance" about twenty years ago. Sadly, my work on the song is lost to the ages.
But you'll have to believe me that I improved the song. I took what Sullivan and Heaton laid down, added my guitar over it, and transformed their interesting tune into a really great tune.
I do that a lot, actually. I've even made some Beatle songs better.
Unfortunately I won't and will never believe a word you say.
I think with comments like I've highlighted above you're just out to provoke a reaction.
Why aren't you out there earning your millions and isn't it a shame that you 'somehow' can't find your much improved version,if indeed it does exist.
if you are in fact the musician you say you are it shouldn't be too hard to re record it for our listening pleasure so we can judge whether you are the god you say or it's just another load of b****x
I amongst others won't hold our breath for the upload as I know it cannot be bettered.
Cheers
PS Apologies to anyone who I may of offended but these threads and comments by Space are starting to wear a bit thin.
Maybe one day they will have something positive to say about the band :)
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"if you are in fact the musician you say you are it shouldn't be too hard to re record it for our listening pleasure so we can judge whether you are the god you say or it's just another load of b****x "
Good call. Space, it should be easy for you to knock this off and let us hear it for ourselves. You'll probably say you can't be bothered, but why not put your money where your mouth is and let your music do the talking?
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1. Even if I did find my improved version of "Inheritance," I wouldn't know how to upload it. I have zero interest in computers and USB ports and video cams... Have no idea how to upload anything to a computer. It is not a question of being bothered, it is really that I have no idea how to do it.
2. Now even if I did get a video camera and cables and learned how to upload stuff to youtube, the thing is I added my guitar parts to "Inheritance" twenty years ago. Unfortunately exactly what I did that day is forgotten. It was pure, it was a one shot take...twenty years later there is no way to replicate that sudden rush of inspiration. What I would record today would not be as good. First take is always the best for raw emotion. That first take I did on "Inheritance" is sadly lost to the ages.
So, a) the version I did is long lost, b) today I can't replicate what I did then, and c) I don't even know how to get stuff up on a computer. For those three reasons you really do just have to take my word for it: Sullivan/Heaton's "Inheritance" became a better song with my added guitar parts.
PS: There's tons of things I love about New Model Army. There is absolutely nothing I could add to "Western Dream" that would improve it. John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Beethoven and Bach all working together couldn't come up with anything to improve that song. (But I bet those guys could make "Ballad" a better tune.)
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Space,
I think you need to put up or shut up.
I for one am getting slightly pissed off with all your bullshit.
If ya don't like computers and the like you'd better log off this forum and please do not return.
I doubt you'd be missed.
Log on to a Beatles forum and tell them you've improved the songs written and played by Lennon and McCartney
Goodbye
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Ok. Im gonna stay neutral here and avoid accusations etc. Better is perhaps the wrong word. Different maybe. And maybe Space like his version better than the originals. Nowt wrong with that.
However I will say that clearly on a fans forum its a bit disrespectful to say better than artists we love and grew up with. Im not interested in who is better than who. I like all music that I like. I cant say any artists can make a song better than what it was intended to be. Just different.
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Adding guitar to "Inheritance" is like scribbling a black felt-tip moustache on the Mona Lisa
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. I've even made some Beatle songs better.
I think we've all totally misunderstood you Space. I read this out to everyone in the office today and the whole place fell about laughing, it was one of those real coming together moments - I think you're actually a stand up comedian. Either way honey, a big thank you because it inspired one particularly selfish individual to put the kettle on and make us all a cup of tea :) :-*
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. I've even made some Beatle songs better.
I think we've all totally misunderstood you Space. I read this out to everyone in the office today and the whole place fell about laughing, it was one of those real coming together moments - I think you're actually a stand up comedian. Either way honey, a big thank you because it inspired one particularly selfish individual to put the kettle on and make us all a cup of tea :) :-*
The threads by Space have kept me going for a few days while I've been ill.
Wonder what the next one will be about?
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Folks, because I voice my opinion, because I say my work may be better than NMA's, because I offer a different viewpoint than all the folks here, I should just go away?!? Wow.
1. Why is it that you all believe EVERYTHING NMA does is brilliant and can not be improved upon? I'd love the answer to that. So I added guitar to a song that was simply drums and vocals. Yes, it was improved upon. Listen to "Chinese Whispers." That song is very similar to "Inheritance" in structure (drums way up in mix, vocals, scant bass guitar...), but they did add some rocking guitar to it. I think "Chinese Whispers" is made better because of that guitar. I took "Inheritance" and added guitar. I think I made it a better song. For that I should leave the forum?
2. And, yes, I did make Beatles songs better. Ever hear "Revoltion 9"? Eight minutes of self-indulgent garbage. Well, I actually have the tape loops (the "number 9, number 9," orchestra, backwards strings, piano...) and I mixed and made a minute and a half version that is far better than The Beatles released version.
3, Finally, there is this quote from above:
"I cant say any artists can make a song better than what it was intended to be."
Hmmm, you clearly have never heard Aretha Franklin's "Respect." That song is a cover version, you know. The original was done and sung by a man. Aretha took that song and made it one of the great social anthems in the history of music.
Folks, the original does not always mean best. Other artists can take a work and improve upon it. I did it with "Inheritance" and "Revolution 9," countless others have done the same. Uhh, New Model Army have this song called "51st State." Ever hear the original version of "51st State"? Now tell me again that "any artist can't make a song better than what it was intended to be."
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Space. The point I was trying to make is that better is purely interpretation. I was actually trying to stay neutral having read all the squabbles on here.
You liked your version. Great. No I havent heard the original version of Respect. And what if I liked the original better than Aretha Franklin. I can say its better than hers. It doesnt mean Im right and youre wrong or vice versa.
However it would be disrespctful of me to say for example, Ive just done a cover of it and its better than both. Or I just wrote a song and its better than any other song, is arrogant and an opinion. Opinions are to be disagreed with.
If you are an established musician, then it may hold more weight. However, given I genuinely love NMA, then for me and I guess most others on here, to say you took something and made it better is either over confidence or arrogance. Because you arent in the band we love. You cant have the same reception as the band we love because you havent been in it or shared in its success or creative input. I might have liked your version. But it will never be better in my view.
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Folks, because I voice my opinion, because I say my work may be better than NMA's, because I offer a different viewpoint than all the folks here, I should just go away?!? Wow.
1. Why is it that you all believe EVERYTHING NMA does is brilliant and can not be improved upon? I'd love the answer to that. So I added guitar to a song that was simply drums and vocals. Yes, it was improved upon. Listen to "Chinese Whispers." That song is very similar to "Inheritance" in structure (drums way up in mix, vocals, scant bass guitar...), but they did add some rocking guitar to it. I think "Chinese Whispers" is made better because of that guitar. I took "Inheritance" and added guitar. I think I made it a better song. For that I should leave the forum?
2. And, yes, I did make Beatles songs better. Ever hear "Revoltion 9"? Eight minutes of self-indulgent garbage. Well, I actually have the tape loops (the "number 9, number 9," orchestra, backwards strings, piano...) and I mixed and made a minute and a half version that is far better than The Beatles released version.
3, Finally, there is this quote from above:
"I cant say any artists can make a song better than what it was intended to be."
Hmmm, you clearly have never heard Aretha Franklin's "Respect." That song is a cover version, you know. The original was done and sung by a man. Aretha took that song and made it one of the great social anthems in the history of music.
Folks, the original does not always mean best. Other artists can take a work and improve upon it. I did it with "Inheritance" and "Revolution 9," countless others have done the same. Uhh, New Model Army have this song called "51st State." Ever hear the original version of "51st State"? Now tell me again that "any artist can't make a song better than what it was intended to be."
space, I couldn't agree with you more. Plenty of songs have been far better in subsequent versions than they were originally (totally agree with you about Revolution 9, BTW, that was just so much pretentious shit...). But you can't just take it on faith! I could say I just rewrote 'Mother' or 'Instant Karma' and put MUCH better stuff over it. I wouldn't expect anyone to believe it. Likewise, NMA...
Did you see that version of 'Inheritance' that I posted? You never responded... I think that it was a much better version of that track than the original... would have been interested to see how that measured up to 'your' version...
Sir, you post passionate and interesting posts (and you obviously love NMA) but it's all a bit lacking in anything solid to back it up...
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Similarily though MR, some cover versions are attrocious. Again its all personal opinion. There are lots of factors that affect the popularity of a cover version. However an original song is just that. Original. It can be interpreted differently, more popular, but its arguable whether something is better than it was first. Point in question, Biffy Clyro's Many of Horror. Fantastic song. The other half likes Matt Cardle or however its spelt, better. We both are equally passionate in defence. Im right. And so is she.
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Yes while i agree lots of bands have done covers and improved on the original but that's just my opinion on certain songs I'm a big cramps and meteors fan and both of them done a few covers that i loved. The uk subs - she's not there should prove my point.
Ok for me and most of us on the forum nma shouldn't be messed with but hey they were brave enough to include the remix of over the wire on lost songs and yes strangely i do like it. Would say the only cover of nma i thought was decent was the hunt.
Sometimes when you first hear a cover you've never heard the original and it leads you to check other band.
On drummyb's point i like gun - word up then again Mel b done it as well
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Hey, best version of 'Word Up' I ever heard was Henry Rollins doing it as an encore in Leicester about 20 years ago with The Rollins Band...damn, can't find it on the Internet,...
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I still wear a red cod piece after all this time. ;D.
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Hey Space, with your guitar playing skills, self confidence, ability to improve well loved songs, and advice on production, I'm surprised you haven't written to Justin and asked for an audition. I'm sure you'd be warmly welcomed over, and given a chance to do your stuff, and show them where they went wrong with certain songs, and all those insignificant albums they did in the 2000s. I'm sure they'd be so grateful and impressed by your wisdom, they'd recruit you on the spot. Just think, your very first NMA gig could be one with you on the stage. We'd love to see you in action. That way you wouldn't even have to think about googling how to upload a music file onto the Internet or anything as difficult as that. What do ya say ?
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Tony S, there's a new thread on these boards about how New Model Army never made it big. Well, with my "guitar playing skills, self confidence, ability to improve well loved songs, and advice on production," don't you agree that I should be auditioning for a band bigger than New Model Army?
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Tony S, there's a new thread on these boards about how New Model Army never made it big. Well, with my "guitar playing skills, self confidence, ability to improve well loved songs, and advice on production," don't you agree that I should be auditioning for a band bigger than New Model Army?
Why are you asking us, our opinions don't matter to you :) :)
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Oh, but our opinions do matter to him Red. They confirm to him that his opinions are the correct ones remember :)
Space - My apologies. I assumed that your artistic integrity would mean you'd like to be part of a band you profess to be passionate about !
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Space - My apologies. I assumed that your artistic integrity would mean you'd like to be part of a band you are passionate about !
Artistic integrity goes right out the window the second you recieve an overdue bill in the mail.
In two weeks time Katy Perry will be making a fortune playing before close to 200 million people at the Super Bowl halftime show. If Katy held open auditions for a guitar player for that gig, I'd have been there in a nano-second. And I have news for you, sitting right beside me waiting to audition next for Katy would be Justin Sullivan with his guitar.
Sure, writing tunes about the summer moors and Snelsmore Wood that no one will hear is a nice thing, but feeding your family and driving around in an Aston Martin is nicer. Don't kid yourself, Justin Sullivan and I would have both been there with our Gibson SGs if Katy Perry held auditions for her Super Bowl gig.
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Space - My apologies. I assumed that your artistic integrity would mean you'd like to be part of a band you are passionate about !
Artistic integrity goes right out the window the second you recieve an overdue bill in the mail.
In two weeks time Katy Perry will be making a fortune playing before close to 200 million people at the Super Bowl halftime show. If Katy held open auditions for a guitar player for that gig, I'd have been there in a nano-second. And I have news for you, sitting right beside me waiting to audition next for Katy would be Justin Sullivan with his guitar.
Sure, writing tunes about the summer moors and Snelsmore Wood that no one will hear is a nice thing, but feeding your family and driving around in an Aston Martin is nicer. Don't kid yourself, Justin Sullivan and I would have both been there with our Gibson SGs if Katy Perry held auditions for her Super Bowl gig.
Get a ******* grip.
Why would anyone want to write a song that no one would hear, unless it's a improved version of Inheritance :) :)
I think you have a problem with reality.
I know Justin and he wouldn't be there, why would he want to be near a two bob busker and as for Katy Perry I know he wouldn't care about her either.
You carry on kidding yourself and believe what you will but seriously it's about time you did us all a favour and left.
Cheers
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Space - My apologies. I assumed that your artistic integrity would mean you'd like to be part of a band you are passionate about !
Artistic integrity goes right out the window the second you recieve an overdue bill in the mail.
In two weeks time Katy Perry will be making a fortune playing before close to 200 million people at the Super Bowl halftime show. If Katy held open auditions for a guitar player for that gig, I'd have been there in a nano-second. And I have news for you, sitting right beside me waiting to audition next for Katy would be Justin Sullivan with his guitar.
Sure, writing tunes about the summer moors and Snelsmore Wood that no one will hear is a nice thing, but feeding your family and driving around in an Aston Martin is nicer. Don't kid yourself, Justin Sullivan and I would have both been there with our Gibson SGs if Katy Perry held auditions for her Super Bowl gig.
Oh, this is ******* AWESOME!
more, PLEASE!
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The NMA/Katy perry collaboration is long over due, I'm amazed this hasn't been suggested before.
(Hello people, this is my 1st post :D and it is not at all how I imagined it would be)
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Alright Windy. Welcome aboard. Yes, you have picked a very interesting time to join ::)
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Welcome to the board intothewind don't worry things have been a bit mad about here lately
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Stop please, enough is enough !
Don`t ask for new postings to reply!
Someone seems to have a huge problem and I can`t believe some of the family of this board seem to start making jokes and want more of this postings >:(
I don`t find it fu..ing awesome, I don`t need more of this here
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it's about time you did us all a favour and left.
Hmmm, interesting, Red. I just read your signature, something you believe in so strongly that you make it your signature at this site:
"Is it a crime to believe in something different."
And then because I offer ideas that are different, you suggest I leave.
Can you spell HYPOCRITE?
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Stop please, enough is enough !
Don`t ask for new postings to reply!
Someone seems to have a huge problem and I can`t believe some of the family of this board seem to start making jokes and want more of this postings >:(
I don`t find it fu..ing awesome, I don`t need more of this here
Guys, I agree, this is borderline baiting and bullying which I know is not what we're all about.
Cheers
jc
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it's about time you did us all a favour and left.
Hmmm, interesting, Red. I just read your signature, something you believe in so strongly that you make it your signature at this site:
"Is it a crime to believe in something different."
And then because I offer ideas that are different, you suggest I leave.
Can you spell HYPOCRITE?
Yes I can, but no doubt you'll say I'm wrong, also my shift button isn't stuck so I don't need to shout :) :)
Yes you offer ideas,but then belittle anyone who dares to disagree.
The problem being, as it been mentioned before is that you have this crazy notion that you're right whatever anyone else says.
I don't know why you won't see both sides to an opinion, the comment the other day when you said that our views just strengthen yours just show how narrow minded you really are.
You are really like a spoilt brat, just like the kid who decides not to play football and says' it's my ball and I'm taking it home' and goes crying to his mummy about the big bad boys who won't do what he wants.
You need to take a good long look at yourself and what you're doing and ask yourself 'why?'
I for one cannot understand your reasoning for all the threads you start, sorry there's nothing wrong with the threads, but your righteous comments and opinions within these threads are the real issue.
It's as though you're trying our patience to see when we'll crack.
We won't, we'll keep taking the piss and having a laugh at your expense, you're brightening up many a dull day :) :)
At least you've done something worthwhile
Don't worry about that, we've been here a long time and won't be going anywhere soon
I await your next installment
Cheers
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Stop please, enough is enough !
Don`t ask for new postings to reply!
Someone seems to have a huge problem and I can`t believe some of the family of this board seem to start making jokes and want more of this postings >:(
I don`t find it fu..ing awesome, I don`t need more of this here
Guys, I agree, this is borderline baiting and bullying which I know is not what we're all about.
Cheers
jc
But who is doing the bullying and who is doing the baiting?
It's getting very grey here nowadays...
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Close MR. Its actually getting tedious. We're probably all equally guilty. Hence my absence from being drawn in anymore to squabbles. Ive had enough. :-\
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As my missus says 'We're his oxygen, if we don't reply he'll die' (not literally)
So I may start another thread just asking everyone to stop replying
It has been fun in most parts but wearing a bit thin now
Cheers
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Space's writing style seems...hmmm....somehow familiar. I'd be really interested to know if he (or she) is a pseudonym for someone who already has (or has had) a forum account...
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Ah'm oot.
Started out challenging, then descended into farce.
No more comments from me on Space's threads.