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General Category => New Model Army => Topic started by: Space on April 19, 2015, 02:45:32 PM
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Two quick points:
1. So the thought police is even alive and well at a New Model Army forum. "DELETE his threads! Kick him out!" Hey, folks, I do not pick on any members here, use foul language, nor shout out to get rid of people...I just post my thoughts on the band's music and make fun, clearly tongue in cheek posts. (I am the world's biggest NMA fan because, get this, I bought a Region free DVD player! Hooray! And you folks actually take that seriously?!? Ban him! Delete such a post! Burn him!!!)
We have people posting here flat out saying that we should all be in line -- post just like everybody else. No fun, no tongue in cheek, no bold criticism of some of the band's music or strategies. Think and believe like everyone else here. Bill B suggest this should be taken care of "by any means"! Unreal. Just think like everyone here or else. "Is it a crime to believe in something different?" Don't you people here actually listen to and learn anything from these artists you supposedly love?
2. Some here are worried about how non-NMA fans may perceive the band by looking at posts here. Just have to point out that the person who brought that topic up (Anna), well, read her posts to me. Just about every post of hers to me contains childish penis insults. And she's the one calling out how this forum may look bad to non-NMA fans. Good God.
Relax, folks, no one is going to stop buying New Model Army records because someone on a forum crowed about buying a Region free DVD player. But what might turn off potential NMA fans is the intolerance they see by MANY members on an NMA forum. Think about it.
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Two quick points:
1. So the thought police is even alive and well at a New Model Army forum. "DELETE his threads! Kick him out!" Hey, folks, I do not pick on any members here, use foul language, nor shout out to get rid of people...I just post my thoughts on the band's music and make fun, clearly tongue in cheek posts. (I am the world's biggest NMA fan because, get this, I bought a Region free DVD player! Hooray! And you folks actually take that seriously?!? Ban him! Delete such a post! Burn him!!!)
The legendary Space selective memory. Do you remember saying this about members here --
Are you really surprised you have provoked such a reaction from Anna.
Can you please make things clear for us. All of the controversial comments you have made, you have not meant any of them, it has all been a joke.
Please confirm - fact or joke --
you are the biggest NMA fan
New York is the centre of the Universe
American culture is the best in the World
You improved Inheritance with your guitar work.
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Very bad try, Shush. That was a post of mine from what, my first week here? Since that one transgression I have issued an apology thread and heeded Vivian's kind PMs to cool it a bit.
Since that one nasty posts (only done because I was attacked) there are no insults to any member here, no calls for deleted threads, no scream from me to ban people...just a fun, tongue in cheek approach to posting. Or do you really believe that a person who buys a Region free DVD player is serious about that as a qualification for "World's Biggest NMA Fan"?
Oh, and by the way, go read texapete's posts to me or Anna's posts to me. Why aren't you bothered by their incredibly vile posts?
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Because I know those two people personally. They are good people who are both dedicated to their favourite band who would only react that way to someone coming on here dishing out repeated insults to the band they love. What they have said to you, as far as I am concerned, you asked for it.
No I do not think you are the biggest fan for buying a DVD player, guitar, or whatever. As I said to you in the past, if it is down to money, most people here have spent way more than you going to see the band. Many go to all the gigs, UK and across Europe. Takes a massive chunk of their personal income year after year, not just a one hit pricy guitar. More importantly, seeing the band keeps the band going. Tickets = wages. Your DVD and guitar earned the band nothing.
So please confirm / deny . Do you believe you are the biggest NMA fan or not ? Its all been a bad misunderstood joke right ??
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Screw this.
More childish penis insults please!
I love that old tat.
;D
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So please confirm / deny . Do you believe you are the biggest NMA fan or not ? Its all been a bad misunderstood joke right ??
See, here's the problem. Just look at your question. You have to ask that question -- that is the problem!
Let me briefly explain.
I start a thread about who is "The Biggest NMA Fan Here" and I said I am the biggest fan based on these three qualifications:
1. I bought a similar guitar
2. I bought a region free DVD player
3. I co-wrote two songs with the band!
The first two are absurd beyond belief, but just look at that last one again:
I co-wrote two songs with the band!
And yet you just ask me "Do you believe you are the biggest NMA fan or not? It's been a bad misunderstood joke, right?"
I say I co-wrote two songs with the band and you have no idea if I am being serious?!?!?
Bottom line is I post the most absurd post possible - a region free DVD player? - and yet people here got caught out by it and answered seriously. Eight pages of responses! You don't think some of those people might feel a bit embarrassed and a bit silly. Others posted on that thread and saw the over the top silliness of my posts...they got the joke. But then others say it should be banned!
Don't you British have a saying "taking the piss" out of something? That thread was probably the biggest piss take ever at this site and it caught out many, many members. I didn't intend that at all. I just wanted to give folks a laugh -- I co-wrote two songs with Justin Sullivan? -- but instead some people (you included) can't even tell if it is serious!?! I played straight man, set up a fun thread for people to give any silly reason why they should be considered the biggest NMA fan and no one delivered anything. No one was creative enough. Instead they stupidly think the thing is a serious thread. Yup, that Region free DVD player makes someone The Biggest fan. Good God, folks, get a sense of humor. Eight pages of serious responses to a thread where a guy claimed he co-wrote two songs with New Model Army. My God.
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Well, it has been suggested by me and others that there maybe a break down in U.S. / U.K. sense of humour. But I will say, it is very hard to dissect what you say. Sometimes you appear serious, and more often than not, just very self deluded. Has it all been a big joke from day 1 ?
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The thing is, Space, your earlier nastiness put a bad taste in all our mouths...
And yes, I know I was extremely nasty in response... what the hell, you apologised, I apologised, fair enough... that would have been the end of it, happily IMO...
But you still keep on telling the same bloody joke when it's clear that no-one is laughing!
I know this stuff is acceptable on the Internet, but you've never been to an NMA gig or a pre-gig / after-meet. Such laughter and camaraderie... now imagine you kept saying that shit over and over again in that environment... you wouldn't be very popular, trust me. Say I was in New York in one of your 'pugilist' ??? places and I kept 'taking the piss' out of your beloved NY with crappy unfunny jokes... would that be OK? I suspect not (and I've been to NY several times, so I have a frame of reference here, unlike yourself...)
Bottom line... you just keep on poking and then get all indignant when people poke back. Did you never hear of 'trying to get on with people'? It's a nice thing to do...
A good friend of mine used to regard this Forum as a good place to go when you wanted to talk about important stuff... now they regard the whole place as a fight waiting to happen. Not good, Space, and this is mostly down to yourself...
:'(
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Shush, I really have a hard time answering you. You are asking if I am serious.
- I post here a CD with a title "...& Nobody Else But Space" and I will charge you fifty dollars each for a copy
- I write absurd lyrics to "Caslen" and say they are better than Justin's
- I say I wrote an updated version of "51st State" and call it "52nd State (The Ballad Of Puerto Rico)"
And yet you ask if I am joking.
I am just sitting here shaking my head in amazement. I really am.
I post the way I choose to. I can discuss NMA songs and matters in a serious knowledgeable manner or I can post crazy lyrics to "Caslen." But, no, Bill B and others here say we should all post in the same manner. I often times here make fun of the Motley Crue Board, but that place most certainly has a better sense of humor and more tolerance of others than this place.
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you still keep on telling the same bloody joke when it's clear that no-one is laughing!
crappy unfunny jokes...
Hmmm, this from Master Ray recently in response to one of my "crappy jokes":
That genuinely made me laugh.
Kudos, Space
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So please confirm / deny . Do you believe you are the biggest NMA fan or not ? Its all been a bad misunderstood joke right ??
Don't you British have a saying "taking the piss" out of something? That thread was probably the biggest piss take ever at this site and it caught out many, many members. I didn't intend that at all. I just wanted to give folks a laugh -- I co-wrote two songs with Justin Sullivan? -- but instead some people (you included) can't even tell if it is serious!?! I played straight man, set up a fun thread for people to give any silly reason why they should be considered the biggest NMA fan and no one delivered anything. No one was creative enough. Instead they stupidly think the thing is a serious thread. Yup, that Region free DVD player makes someone The Biggest fan. Good God, folks, get a sense of humor. Eight pages of serious responses to a thread where a guy claimed he co-wrote two songs with New Model Army. My God.
Space, I cant help but fully agree with you here, as I said in my last post. It has been an interesting study in (at least ONLINE) human behavior to see people react since you started posting your (to me, fairly clearly) absurd claims in your posts. Maybe I wasnt as affected because I wasnt around here to see your "earlier nastiness" to get any "bad taste".
But it has been intriguing at the least to see how people react to the character you were playing. I am almost sad you had to break character as you clearly have here.
But as to what Master Ray said in his last paragraph about this becoming a place to expect a fight, I posted here a LOT in the early 2000s for years, and there was a LOT of fighting over a great many issues of the world, people, the band, etc etc. Most of it was fairly cordial, albeit heated at times. Are NMA fans NOT very passionate people? I think they DO tend to be. I remember people being quite angry with me due to my support of the growing anti smoking laws, my positions on a great many things actually, and in the end, esp my opinions on the aftermath and future direction of rebuilding after Katrina hit. There were fights about stray cats and what to do about them, infidelity in relationships, and everything else under the sun and moon.
Some fights I wasnt involved with at all, some people here then definitely angered people more than I did. Sometime Joolz came in and virtually gave us all a slap and reminder to be a bit more considerate of the band and ourselves, and even rarer, Justin made a brief appearance to do the same. It was ALWAYS a place with arguing, as many online forums.
I think, Master Ray, with all due respect. This is nothing new here and I hardly see it as all Space's fault.
But what do I know? - I really havent been around here much for years till recently, and why? Well it mostly came down to there just being not much going on here anymore, which perhaps also led to less "fights waiting to happen" for a while. I still dont see much going on in the Everything Else other than the same threads on top that have been there for years. Nothing of what that section used to be.
And honestly - expecting someone from New York to not outwardly act as though NY is the center of the universe, well you would not be dealing with a New Yorker then. ;););) Taking the piss out of any New Yorker about their town is libel to get one punched in the nose from my experience. ;)
Its almost as bad as expecting someone from America to not act as though America isnt the greatest country in the universe. ;););)
But I digress...
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
And Space, I am still just slightly curious who played the white Gretsch. Maybe a hint? ;) The Ian Curtis one was easy for me, the Joe Strummer was just some internet searching based on the sticker on the guitar, but I give up on the White Gretsch...
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Shush, I really have a hard time answering you. You are asking if I am serious.
- I post here a CD with a title "...& Nobody Else But Space" and I will charge you fifty dollars each for a copy
- I write absurd lyrics to "Caslen" and say they are better than Justin's
- I say I wrote an updated version of "51st State" and call it "52nd State (The Ballad Of Puerto Rico)"
And yet you ask if I am joking.
I am just sitting here shaking my head in amazement. I really am.
I post the way I choose to. I can discuss NMA songs and matters in a serious knowledgeable manner or I can post crazy lyrics to "Caslen." But, no, Bill B and others here say we should all post in the same manner. I often times here make fun of the Motley Crue Board, but that place most certainly has a better sense of humor and more tolerance of others than this place.
Im still laughing at the "& Nobody Else But Space".
What I find interesting, going on the comment that if you said the things you did in person - it would not be taken very well.
Master Ray said:
"I know this stuff is acceptable on the Internet, but you've never been to an NMA gig or a pre-gig / after-meet. Such laughter and camaraderie... now imagine you kept saying that shit over and over again in that environment... you wouldn't be very popular, trust me. "
I think if Space sat in a crowd of fans and said the things he did here, everyone would laugh at the absurdity of it all a lot faster than they did here. Just my opinion.
I think the psychology of interaction in online forums is still something not entirely understood or well navigated, as its still such a new way of communicating we have never experienced in thousands of years of human interaction. For better AND worse, people behave in very different ways than they do in person.
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you still keep on telling the same bloody joke when it's clear that no-one is laughing!
crappy unfunny jokes...
Hmmm, this from Master Ray recently in response to one of my "crappy jokes":
That genuinely made me laugh.
Kudos, Space
Space...I wasn't talking about ONE joke, I was talking about all the subsequent unfunny ones...
For the record, that was genuinely amusing and I offer you respect for that one...
Just struggling to understand why you post the stuff you do, knowing that it upsets people and is kicking off a shitstorm...
Sequoila225... I wasn't here in the early 200's. Be interested in examples of what you mean.
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Good words, Sequoia.
(And I didn't break character. Maybe I really am a nasty bastard who posts things just to drive people mad. Maybe I am a delusional internet warrior who thinks he did write songs with New Model Army. Maybe I'm a Motley Crue fan. Maybe I am...who knows for sure?)
And the Gretsch White Falcon I bought was because of....
Billy Duffy of The Cult.
Loved that band's early stuff and Duffy's guitar was always that iconoclastic White Falcon.
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And the Gretsch White Falcon I bought was because of....
Billy Duffy of The Cult.
Loved that band's early stuff and Duffy's guitar was always that iconoclastic White Falcon.
Ahhhh I would have never gotten that. I liked a few of their songs but wasnt a big fan.
Thanks, It was nagging at me.
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Maybe you're a girl...
the one thing is the persistance and the provoking of yours. i feel you hide a little behind your statement, that it should have been obvious. but you also tried hard that it was not obvious.
i tried to reply to yout post with just argueing on an unemotional level, but i never got a reply. that kind of feels uncomfortable too. as i tried to mediate a little in between but no one refered to that posts.
it's like you really tried to piss people off, and then you got what you wanted.
i see it as kind of unnecessary and wonder what your aim is. you put a lot of creativity in it, but for what sake? betcha, betcha, betcha...(if i knew you're a girl i would quote further: why can't we kiss and go to bed? ;-)
now there has been some explaining and i hope that people calm down a little bit, or just go into a well mannered creative fight with arguements and words, or just leave the topics, post their own.
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Whatever your intentions behind your posts, Space, the result is the same every time.
Your sense of humour / megalomania / highly individualistic method of interacting with the rest of the Family is wearing thin, and is, quite frankly, boring.
If you're here to troll, then well done - you've trolled like an expert. It's now time to move on.
If you're here to make friends and get involved, perhaps a modification of how you come across would be useful.
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Whatever your intentions behind your posts, Space, the result is the same every time.
Your sense of humour / megalomania / highly individualistic method of interacting with the rest of the Family is wearing thin, and is, quite frankly, boring.
If you're here to troll, then well done - you've trolled like an expert. It's now time to move on.
If you're here to make friends and get involved, perhaps a modification of how you come across would be useful.
I know this comment is NOT going to be well liked, but honestly - what is "boring" to me is how many times and people have to tell Space his postings are boring to everyone, that no one finds them amusing, and that he needs to stop because its old.
But yet EVERYONE keeps reacting to them and responding to them with passion.
And I don't think any of you should speak FOR EVERYONE on what is boring or funny or not.
Its like people who complain about a corporations practices but continue to buy their products, or ebay buyers that ***** and complain about people charging too much for shipping, but they see the terms ahead of time and purchase the items from them anyway. (sorry I sell on Ebay and now Ebay takes a cut of the shipping charge for themselves due to so many complaining about high shipping charges and that affects me when all they had to do was NEVER BUY from those sellers).
If you dont like something - just DONT PATRONIZE it. At ALL. Why is that so hard for people? I have seen days and days now of people responding to Space with passionate responses when they say he is boring and not making friends or making good humor. If NO ONE EVER RESPONDED to Space, what motivation would he have to post anything?
What is it about human behavior to keep responding to that they cant change when they have the full power to just ignore. Words are JUST WORDS.
I had an abusive girlfriend once - VERY endlessly verbally abusive. No one could have said worse, more insulting things to me , just out of being angry and wanting to hurt. But I understood what it was (just to inflict pain), and the words meant little (other than a reason to get out of the relationship eventually) to me.
In the course of that relationship, I had said one really harsh thing to her when I was angry and frustrated.
She NEVER let it go, many months later, how much my words said ONCE hurt her. I actually felt kinda guilty, yet I never let it phase me about the things she said to me regularly when angry. Why the difference?
Because we all get to choose how words affect us. She could have taken the one thing I said, decided I was a jerk and left. She chose to get hurt by it and stay around. I could have been hurt by the countless very personal insulting things she said to me, yet I wasnt phased, and trust me, they were the worst things anyone could have said to me about my most personal insecurities.
Its why I dont support banning people from forums, unless they are posting like spam or something. Because everyone here has the power to NOT let words affect them and just ignore. To me, its that simple. Doesnt mean ALL of us wont get into a heated argument at times over what is said, but it is still within your power to just move on and ignore.
To spaces posts, I havent seen that at all, I have seen everyone responding, taking his often absurd words VERY seriously and feeling compelled to respond over and over.
I also cant agree with people speaking for everyone. I dont think EVERYONE here thinks Space is boring, unfunny, offensive. Just because SOME here do, doesnt mean everyone does, yet many of you seem to speak for everyone.
If EVERYONE didnt like Spaces comments and found them boring, and just truly ignored them, there would be no banning, or "administrator involvement" needed. He would simply lose interest and stop posting here.
The reaction I see from everyone hardly shows he is boring people. Maybe in Europe "boring" had a different meaning?
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So - We good?
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Bit gutted actually. I thought Second Open Letter was a great name for an album.
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Maybe I'm a Motley Crue fan. Maybe I am...who knows for sure?)
:o Please...not that....please don't be that! :D
I am o.k. with The Cult, though. ;)
I should do some serious catching up, it seems - message forums have disappeared, for the most part - and FB just isn't the same - I am glad this place still exists,
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Shush, I really have a hard time answering you. You are asking if I am serious.
- I post here a CD with a title "...& Nobody Else But Space" and I will charge you fifty dollars each for a copy
- I write absurd lyrics to "Caslen" and say they are better than Justin's
- I say I wrote an updated version of "51st State" and call it "52nd State (The Ballad Of Puerto Rico)"
And yet you ask if I am joking.
I am just sitting here shaking my head in amazement. I really am.
I post the way I choose to. I can discuss NMA songs and matters in a serious knowledgeable manner or I can post crazy lyrics to "Caslen." But, no, Bill B and others here say we should all post in the same manner. I often times here make fun of the Motley Crue Board, but that place most certainly has a better sense of humor and more tolerance of others than this place.
Im still laughing at the "& Nobody Else But Space".
What I find interesting, going on the comment that if you said the things you did in person - it would not be taken very well.
Master Ray said:
"I know this stuff is acceptable on the Internet, but you've never been to an NMA gig or a pre-gig / after-meet. Such laughter and camaraderie... now imagine you kept saying that shit over and over again in that environment... you wouldn't be very popular, trust me. "
I think if Space sat in a crowd of fans and said the things he did here, everyone would laugh at the absurdity of it all a lot faster than they did here. Just my opinion.
I think the psychology of interaction in online forums is still something not entirely understood or well navigated, as its still such a new way of communicating we have never experienced in thousands of years of human interaction. For better AND worse, people behave in very different ways than they do in person.
Because it is funny. It is very funny. I love the music and band too and don't get how people are offended. I would not be suprised if people from the band read that and laughed.
People just want someone to be angry with. As someone from the same country as Space and in his defense, I do get the humor. I get it more than the dry english wit and sarcasm.
it continues the point i have been trying to make for a while. Humor is cultural.
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Space, I don't always agree with what you say but I generally enjoy reading your posts.
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I see Sequoia's posts are still making the same sense as they did (generally ;) ) years ago.
The difficulty with written communication as opposed to spoken is that it is sometimes difficult to get context, emphasis, humour across, even with emoticons.
We have freedom of speech. But freedoms inevitably come with duties; in this case, we have the duty not to use our freedom of speech to abuse, bully, insult others. Otherwise freedoms tend to be lost.
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I don't think humans need freedom of speech. Because someone always will use it the abuse or bully who they see weaker. That me in most cases. I think it's the last thing humans need. It seems to be used as an excuse. People in the west complain about it when they are challenged on the internet. However people else where are being killed for simply being themselves. It really puts how insignificant this is into perspective.