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General Category => Everything Else => Topic started by: Amandistan on April 30, 2015, 06:46:14 PM
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Why isn't Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Ukraine, Albania, Macedonia and Kosovo part of the EU?
Is it by choice or are they being rejected?
I was told the EU was in place for purposes of Bureaucracy and these countries are too poor to meet the EU standards.
Is that true and by that logic, does that mean that the EU wants to throw out countries such as Greece and Ireland for not being as rich as say Sweden or Germany?
I get the main purposes and I think it's good but if only certain countries are allowed to be a part, then how is that fair to them?
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I think the idea is contribution to wealth sharing. The countries you name cannot contribute any wealth to the big pot. Ireland can. Greece did. Its an open jury on weather the United States of Europe is a good idea. Personally I think its mainly positive.Butttttt.....it has its flaws. More so with criminal legislation I feel. And a human rights act that forgets the victim at times.
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Look, many of the countries you mentioned have been part of the Warsaw Pact. In the 80's and earlier many of them "had" to be under that pressure. Times have changed a lot since that but for sure there are still things affecting.
Some of the countries you mentioned have also had a special role during the 2nd World War even they didn't want it.
The history of Europe is full of wars and conflicts that still have an affection. Believe it or not.
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But if you'd like to see an exception, come to Finland or go to see Estonia. ;)
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The main problem is Europe is currently deep in the shit maybe if it can sort itself out then it can look at bringing in other countries. I'm not sure anyone would want to join just now either
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Agree with Pol, with the addition that there is a rise in nationalist/populist activity in certain EU countries that are calling for leaving the EU. Difficult to add to the numbers when you're in the mess that the EU is in now.
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There's a difference between being in the EU and being in the Euro.
The EU started as a trading community aiming to reduce customs barriers and encourage free movement of goods etc.
Later ideals of common laws, tax bases, currencies, armies were mooted.
While the idea of having a common currency encourages tradeflows, the difference between economies - what they produce, how people are taxed, what the state chooses to spend taxes, and how much they choose to/have to borrow - causes conflict. Only if a federal model for Europe were adopted would a currency have a chance of working well in the long term (which is why the USA works despite being larger and having widely differing local economy) And lots of people do not want a federal Europe because, as was stated above, there are differences in laws (and even the concept behind legal systems) customs and political systems that would have to be accepted; you can't make all the people happy all of the time
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I have heard Turkey wants in but is being denied because of a human rights issue.
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I have heard Turkey wants in but is being denied because of a human rights issue.
Amongst others like freedom of press, opression of all sorts and ofcourse Europe don't like muslims, that's why a lot of people are scared of Turkey. But for me I don't care whatever they believe, just that Erdogan is a tyrannic king who rules the land like any other dictator.
Stuff like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Palace,_Ankara
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The human rights issue with Turkey started in mids of ninetites when their state oppressed Kurdish population who therefore fought the state. It lasted long time and many seemed to suggest that if both sides stop it there would be a chance with joining the union. But it didn't still happen.
I'd see it so that Turkey actually have been famous and victorious in fighting against Talebans. Kurds in front of them. I think the Kurdish population should be honoured more because of that. But for how long the EU is going to look this minority is getting tortured by fanatic side of muslims?
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The real problem with the EU has a lot to do with what c has proposed here.
It was a great idea when it was limited to economic concerns up to 1995, but the idea of broader integration in terms of politics and law with the founding of the European Union is something I would certainly object to by all accounts.
In its current state the EU is unworkable in the long-run. The absurdity of a country like Germany using the same money as Greece is there for all to see.
As for keeping countries out of the EU, it's a long story of one or another, but what is obvious is that the political situations are significant. For example, I wouldn't even consider Kosovo a country - never mind admit it to the EU. As for Turkey, it has a lot to offer in economic terms, but, Christ Almighty, when you ignore what you did with the Armenians and Kurds and exercise increasing dictatorial powers under Erdogen over 81 or so million people...well, I think it would be wise to leave it outside.
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In its current state the EU is unworkable in the long-run. The absurdity of a country like Germany using the same money as Greece is there for all to see.
And Germany has done extremely well out of keeping their currency down compared to their trading partners - which has greatly contributed to Germany current enviable position
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More so with criminal legislation I feel. And a human rights act that forgets the victim at times.
The European Court of Human Rights is completely separate to the EU - despite what the right wing media would have you believe. In the UK the Murdoch controlled right wing press will jump on a few distorted stories of cases and fail to report the thousands of cases that up hold citizens rights - which is yours and mine.
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Afraid I have to agree with the non-EU believers... a nice concept, but it's like taking pieces from a bunch of different jigsaws and expecting them to fit together...
Too many agendas, too many vastly different financial scenarios, too much (often) unpleasant history...
But I've never been shy of saying how gloomy I am about the state of those awkward things called 'people'...
I'd love to be proved wrong. I suspect I won't be.
:-[
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Kosovo is a country. They claimed independence from Serbia, Just some nations don't recognize it.
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Afraid I have to agree with the non-EU believers... a nice concept, but it's like taking pieces from a bunch of different jigsaws and expecting them to fit together...
Too many agendas, too many vastly different financial scenarios, too much (often) unpleasant history...
But I've never been shy of saying how gloomy I am about the state of those awkward things called 'people'...
I'd love to be proved wrong. I suspect I won't be.
:-[
I never realised how european I was until I went to the States - and it dawned on me, although it was vaguely the same language, they just had a completely different way of looking at the world. If Europe doesn't stick together - I'm not sure how any of the smaller countries (i.e. all of Europe) are going to compete/stand up to with China - and it doesn't take a genius to realise that they will need some standing up to over the next century
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Afraid I have to agree with the non-EU believers... a nice concept, but it's like taking pieces from a bunch of different jigsaws and expecting them to fit together...
Too many agendas, too many vastly different financial scenarios, too much (often) unpleasant history...
But I've never been shy of saying how gloomy I am about the state of those awkward things called 'people'...
I'd love to be proved wrong. I suspect I won't be.
:-[
I never realised how european I was until I went to the States - and it dawned on me, although it was vaguely the same language, they just had a completely different way of looking at the world. If Europe doesn't stick together - I'm not sure how any of the smaller countries (i.e. all of Europe) are going to compete/stand up to with China - and it doesn't take a genius to realise that they will need some standing up to over the next century
I don't think the U.S. have a different way of looking at the world. We are all human. As an American visiting Europe I feel we look at the same world much the same. However the humor is different but we still have the same basic needs. There are major differences and that being EU members believe that you work to live, Americans the opposite. For instance Americans hardly ever go on strike and demand fairer wages and hours. The EU sets guidelines that point out that workers are actually human beings and deserve to be treated so.
So basically America is not the best country in the world, The more I travel, the more I learn just how much I want to leave. Sadly the EU makes it next to impossible to immigrant if from Africa, Asia and even America.
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But it is 50 different countries under one flag. Europe will never be one. Too many languages, histories and cultures. O dont think British mentality will ever be the same as say French or Greek or vice versa. However if we all have a basic centralised way of co-habiting then im all for it.
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But it is 50 different countries under one flag. Europe will never be one. Too many languages, histories and cultures. O dont think British mentality will ever be the same as say French or Greek or vice versa. However if we all have a basic centralised way of co-habiting then im all for it.
Yea, even inside a country there are differences with habits, customs, dialects and manners... you name it. I literally don't know anything about, let's say Swedish, Norwegian, Estonian or Russian customs. It's even challenging to know your local customs here.
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Well, I voted against joining the EU when it was back in 20 years ago. I saw it as centering the power and it wasn't written anywhere in the articlas will there be an army or not...
Nowadays, those in headlines referred of being against the EU are rather ugly right wing groups. But now no one seems to remember that their opposite were also against the union.
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But it is 50 different countries under one flag. Europe will never be one. Too many languages, histories and cultures. O dont think British mentality will ever be the same as say French or Greek or vice versa. However if we all have a basic centralised way of co-habiting then im all for it.
That is true. All 50 have the same primary language and more-or-less most of the same traditions. It's not so much as like different countries as the nations in the EU but all different. Though some are very similar. However it's far easier to notice differences in Europe than the states.
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In its current state the EU is unworkable in the long-run. The absurdity of a country like Germany using the same money as Greece is there for all to see.
And Germany has done extremely well out of keeping their currency down compared to their trading partners - which has greatly contributed to Germany current enviable position
Yes, because they have an export-led economy. Many of the other Eurozone members don't have this advantage.
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Kosovo is a country. They claimed independence from Serbia, Just some nations don't recognize it.
That's yet another illustration that the EU cannot work as stated: five of the EU member states don't recognise Kosovo. It was clearly a political decision to recognise it in the first place.
Can anyone explain why Albanians need another state entitled Kosovo - at the expense of Serbia's territory - when Albania is right next door to Kosovo?
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I don't know enough about it but It's weird.
How can that work and is there an official passport for people from Kosovo?
I don't know much about what happened between Serbia and Kosovo but weren't the serbians the villains?
The little bit that I do know is that they placed landmines all over the area. I am also fairly sure that the serbs are the issue and committed genocide that is not recognized yet for political reasons.
However I don't know too much about the conflicts.
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I don't know much about what happened between Serbia and Kosovo but weren't the serbians the villains?
Well, that's a common view that most of the press said. But it wasn't so black and white after all. There are serbians too who were not involved with the conflict at all and who feel they're blamed because of the war then.
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I don't know much about what happened between Serbia and Kosovo but weren't the serbians the villains?
Well, that's a common view that most of the press said. But it wasn't so black and white after all. There are serbians too who were not involved with the conflict at all and who feel they're blamed because of the war then.
I really don't know much about it because I was very young when it happened.