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New Model Army / Crippled Black Phoenix Vengeance
« Last post by Tariq on May 13, 2026, 07:16:00 PM »
Wondered if anyone else had heard this cover? It's fairly recent. Would highly recommend Crippled Black Phoenix if you've not heard them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnh5PeThJRsv
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And I have to thank you for introducing me to The Sound,

You're welcome!  8)

I've listened to a whole lot of their stuff since then and they are on a par with The Chameleons as the most under-rated 80's indie band

Is "All Fall Down" still your favorite The Sound album? It was somewhat snubbed by fans of the band when it came out in 1982, but I agree with you that it's a good, eclectic album. My favorite albums are still, I think, "From the Lion's Mouth," the "Shock of Daylight" EP, and the incredible live album at the Marquee, "In the Hothouse." Yes, The Sound has been unfairly overlooked compared to others bands of the time to which they have sometimes been hastily compared: U2, Echo & The Bunnymen, Joy Division, Simple Minds... fortunately there has been a partial re-evaluation/"rehabilitation" of this band for about ten years, but it is tragic that this belated rediscovery comes when the very talented Adrian Borland is no longer with us...Mark Burgess of The Chameleons was a friend of Adrian Borland, here's a Burgess cover of the excellent "Sense of purpose" from the superb FROM THE LION'S MOUTH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQwU6Ly2Ak8

By the way, The Chameleons are playing a concert this fall about an hour and a half from my place... I'm tempted to go see them. I don't know their discography so well, but I like a few songs here and there.

I don't know The Triffids. What album(s) would you recommend?

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Ha, I also think that NMA were referred to as a 'goth' band somewhere back in time... probably by someone who had never heard a single tune by them.  Maybe if they'd done a video in a graveyard with some bats flying around I could understand it?   ;D

And I have to thank you for introducing me to The Sound, I've listened to a whole lot of their stuff since then and they are on a par with The Chameleons as the most under-rated 80's indie band (btw, ever listened to the Australian band The Triffids?  You might like them...).  As a sidenote, I've got my ticket to NMA in London this December when I will finally be able see The Chameleons...   :D

I think we're going around in circles a bit... in this day and age good music will always find the ears to appreciate it.  No band / act are assured a wider audience than they have but someone might stumble across some tune or other (like from a certain post punk folk rock band that we all adore!) and it might lead to a lifelong musical love affair. 

So Say We All!  Yes, that's a Battlestar Galactica reference...
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but goth and post punk seem to be immortal..

I hope you're right! My second favorite band after NMA is The Sound, a nearly unknown/forgotten "post-punk"/new wave band from the 80s that seems to have been re-evaluated over the last ten years or so thanks to the re-release of their albums, a documentary, and a book about the life of their late, great singer, Adrian Borland. I discovered this band, which disbanded in 1988, in 2021, in my forties, and it was an emotional and musical shock for me. But I'm sure that if I had discovered The Sound in 1995 (the year I discovered NMA in high school), I would have had the same reaction, the same feelings about their music. So yes, "Post-punk" is immortal!! (On the other hand, honestly, I have trouble understanding what a "Goth" band is? Musicians dressed in black? NMA has sometimes been considered a "Goth" band; I see them more as a Rock/Folk band.)
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There will always be "kids" at nma gigs (people under 30 by that I  mean!) and it's constantly surprised me how many there are for an old farts band!.the word spreads

This is probably more noticeable, more obvious in Germany or England, where NMA has the bulk of its fan base and plays to 1,000 to 4,000 people in large venues. In France, NMA plays in small venues (capacity: less than 1,000, often 500 ). But even if you don't see many people under 30 at their concerts in France, at least you have the chance to see the band in small, intimate venues!  8)

the Cure's latter career sucess has prob  helped the genre too..

I imagine it mainly helped the already somewhat known, "mainstream" 80s bands? But it would seem so, that for about ten years there has been a "revival" of 80s culture (music, movies) through series like "Stranger things" which I mentioned earlier and which perhaps also benefits lesser-known bands like NMA...an 80s "nostalgia"/revival which brings some young fans to the bands.

"guitar rock" in general has been in demise for over 20 years now as other more tiktok friendly genres and artists become all consuming..can you remember the last big rock/indie act that broke through?.. genuinely I think it was mid noughties and maybe the kaiser Chiefs or the Libertines...around the same time as the social media explosion which has changed everything.
Certain genres will become "historical genres" not long from now and unfortunately consigned to museums like rockabilly..punk and jazz already have..

That's exactly what I meant in my initial message. When I go to NMA concerts in France, and others Rock concerts in my small provincial town, or even when I go to see relatively young, fresh american Blues/Rock artists in Paris, the audience at these concerts is essentially made up of people with graying or white hair (or bald!) in their forties? fifties and beyons. It's simply an observation about Rock and its audience in the 21st century. I remember that in 1994/1995, I was 16 years old, in high school, and all my teenage friends listened to 90s Rock (and also artists from the 60s/70s: Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Zappa...) and most of them were guitar players in small local bands...there was a real craze, a real popularity of Rock (mainstream or not) among young people at that time...but it was perhaps the penultimate time, as you write with the few bands you mention that were "big" in the mid-2000s. The big positive here is that while Rock has been reaching a limited, "niche audience" for about 20 years, it allows us to see our favorite artists in small venues, without being lost in the crowd or needing giant screens to enjoy the concerts!


look at the arenas and stadiums that rock and indie bands are selling out!

Does NMA play in arenas and stadiums in England and Germany? Well, last year they played at Wembley, okay, but it was as the opening act for Billy Idol...and they played in front of 50,000 people in Berlin...but in 1987, as the opening act for David Bowie.


on the metal scene in particular, I saw 90's doom rockers Paradise Lost last year and there was a fanbase from teenagers to guys in their 60's / 70's and a great time was had by all!   :)

I agree, Metal appeals to young people, both newer and older bands. I'd even go so far as to say that Metal "speaks" to youth more than Rock. When I see the big concert veeues in Paris or the stadiums packed for Metal concerts, there's clearly a much larger (and younger) audience. Just look at the enormous success of the Hellfest festival in France (where NMA played four years ago... on the festival's small stage); Metal has a large, loyal, and young following.

Getting back to Guillaume's point, T+C came out in 1989.  1989 is now 37 years ago.  Back in that wonderful year would anyone be asking if the tunes from 37 years ago were still relevant and why weren't people listening to them?  That would be 1952!  The top acts there were the likes of Vera Lynn, Bing Crosby and Doris Day!

Indeed, in 1989, when I was 10 or 11 years old, I didn't listen to these artists! Not even Elvis Presley. However, in 1995, the year I first listened to NMA through the cds of THUNDER, CAIN and RADIO SESSIONS, I also discovered (thanks to CDs given to me by my older brother) "old" artists from the 70s like Thin Lizzy, Tony Joe White, Neil Young...artists who had released some of their most significant albums before I was even born.



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I agree that what you might call indie or rock music isn't as big as it used to be in the general public sense, pop or r'n'b / rap music is far more prevalent in the general public sense.. but both genres are hugely popular, they just don't get played on the radio much (if anyone still listens to the radio)  and the whole music scene has changed... look at the arenas and stadiums that rock and indie bands are selling out!  And plenty of kids are listening to stuff that isn't currently fashionable... on the metal scene in particular, I saw 90's doom rockers Paradise Lost last year and there was a fanbase from teenagers to guys in their 60's / 70's and a great time was had by all!   :)

Getting back to Guillaume's point, T+C came out in 1989.  1989 is now 37 years ago.  Back in that wonderful year would anyone be asking if the tunes from 37 years ago were still relevant and why weren't people listening to them?  That would be 1952!  The top acts there were the likes of Vera Lynn, Bing Crosby and Doris Day!

Music changes and the way people consume it has also changed.  But music have never been easier to access, no matter what you're into and people will find what they want to hear, one way or another and no matter what age they are.  I see enough young people going to gigs that an oldie like me would be interested in.  That's good enough for me.   ;)

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Vylan!!!!
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Apologies I meant Bob Dylan! (Not Dylan)
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There will always be "kids" at nma gigs (people under 30 by that I  mean!) and it's constantly surprised me how many there are for an old farts band!.the word spreads, just like it did for our generation about Bowie..the doors..Dylan etc. and the Cure's latter career sucess has prob  helped the genre too...but "guitar rock" in general has been in demise for over 20 years now as other more tiktok friendly genres and artists become all consuming..can you remember the last big rock/indie act that broke through?.. genuinely I think it was mid noughties and maybe the kaiser Chiefs or the Libertines...around the same time as the social media explosion which has changed everything.
Certain genres will become "historical genres" not long from now and unfortunately consigned to museums like rockabilly..punk and jazz already have...but goth and post punk seem to be immortal...just look at the sucess of Creeper and Bob Dylan of late.
But does NMA music speak to younger fans...100% yes if you have ears..a brain and an open mind.
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If we want to see young people at NMA concerts and not almost fifty-year-olds with grey and white hair like me ha ha, we simply need one of the band's songs to be on the soundtrack of the next season of "Stranger Things"!   :) ;) All this to say that I like to believe in the idea of ​​a timeless art that transcends generations.
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