Carnival Redux

[Henning]

Everything you hear on the Redux version was recorded at the time. There have been no overdubs made at all to this recording. Hope that clears it up :-)

Only thing that's recorded anew is the string arrangement at the end of Fireworks Night. Justin asked me to replace the synth with some real strings and so I did :-)

[Valstar]

You made me listen to both versions again, amazed I didn’t noticed before that the end sound really different !

[cthulhu]

Everything you hear on the Redux version was recorded at the time. There have been no overdubs made at all to this recording. Hope that clears it up :-)

Only thing that's recorded anew is the string arrangement at the end of Fireworks Night. Justin asked me to replace the synth with some real strings and so I did :-)

Great info, thanks for sharing! So since you are also involved in the production, kind of, you must know both versions of the song. And also the whole album?
Would love to hear your opinion and insighst about the Redux version, if you have compared them or listened to them.

[Henning]

Everything you hear on the Redux version was recorded at the time. There have been no overdubs made at all to this recording. Hope that clears it up :-)

Only thing that's recorded anew is the string arrangement at the end of Fireworks Night. Justin asked me to replace the synth with some real strings and so I did :-)

Great info, thanks for sharing! So since you are also involved in the production, kind of, you must know both versions of the song. And also the whole album?
Would love to hear your opinion and insighst about the Redux version, if you have compared them or listened to them.

Well, I'm a fan for over 30 years, sure I know the songs and albums :-) I really dig the new mixes. Lee and Jamie at Greenmount Studios have again used their magic here. Apart from the overall sound being so much cleaner and more punchy there's so many instrument details, be it guitars, keyboards, whatever, that they pulled up from the mud/rescued from the cutting room floor. So lots of songs feel quite new and fresh to me. Of course the band version of One Bullet or Stoned, Fired, Full of Grace are previously unreleased versions that I had never heard before. Fireworks Night has been a secret favourite of mine so it was cool to get the chance of being part of this one and kinda even have the last word on this album :-)

[cthulhu]

Well that's really cool! You can hear yourself on your favourite song, nothing tops that! 

This new mix is really an outstanding work of art. So the question just came to my mind, was this done ever before?
To re-imagine a whole album, using only the existing recordings?
I don't know any album of that kind. Re-mastered ones yes, but this kind of re-working the whole sound, going that far but staying true to the original?

[Henning]

Well that's really cool! You can hear yourself on your favourite song, nothing tops that! 

This new mix is really an outstanding work of art. So the question just came to my mind, was this done ever before?
To re-imagine a whole album, using only the existing recordings?
I don't know any album of that kind. Re-mastered ones yes, but this kind of re-working the whole sound, going that far but staying true to the original?

I'm sure it was done before but I don't know of any examples. There's always a risk involved when going back and not only financially. I can imagine that if you don't have a vision of the sound you want to achieve and the perfect team of engineers at hand, these kind of projects can quickly go south.

[Digital Man]

Rush remixed Vapor Trails

[cthulhu]

Rush remixed Vapor Trails

Thanks for that! I looked it up and it seems that Rush really was very not pleased about the sound of the original recording so they hired someone to remaster it. Now i'm curious if they only did an overwork of the sound or if there is something like a new interpretation also involved.

Of course this re-mixing and re-imagining has been done before. I'm a huge Frankie goes to Hollywood fan and what Trevor Horn did with the songs, re-mixing, re-editing, different styles teached me to listen closer and think about production tricks in general.

Still feel that the Redux version of Carnival is a unique thing, maybe just because it's so good. It is on the threshold of subtle and in your face different.

[Master Ray]

If we're going down a slightly proggy route, Marillion (I know there's a few Fish-era fans around these parts!) did a great big remaster of Script For a Jesters Tear last year.  Not for the first time!  But this new version, part of a 4-cd set, sounds just amazing, the original had a very dated sound to it but they've taken the original tracks, stripped them down and put them back together again and it truly sounds like something that might have been recorded yesterday.  Fugazi up next and I can't wait!

[Digital Man]

If we're going down a slightly proggy route, Marillion (I know there's a few Fish-era fans around these parts!) did a great big remaster of Script For a Jesters Tear last year.  Not for the first time!  But this new version, part of a 4-cd set, sounds just amazing, the original had a very dated sound to it but they've taken the original tracks, stripped them down and put them back together again and it truly sounds like something that might have been recorded yesterday.  Fugazi up next and I can't wait!

isn't some giant from scotland their singer, recall something about some woman, lee or something
thought they were some sort of death metal band dressed up in makeup and leotards and swinging battle axes?
strange name for a band but dunno, maybe it works, will look up this script you mention
but back on target: do love carnival redux and one bullet

[Master Ray]

If we're going down a slightly proggy route, Marillion (I know there's a few Fish-era fans around these parts!) did a great big remaster of Script For a Jesters Tear last year.  Not for the first time!  But this new version, part of a 4-cd set, sounds just amazing, the original had a very dated sound to it but they've taken the original tracks, stripped them down and put them back together again and it truly sounds like something that might have been recorded yesterday.  Fugazi up next and I can't wait!

isn't some giant from scotland their singer, recall something about some woman, lee or something
thought they were some sort of death metal band dressed up in makeup and leotards and swinging battle axes?
strange name for a band but dunno, maybe it works, will look up this script you mention
but back on target: do love carnival redux and one bullet

Ha!     Well, not quite, but well done for trying!  Not everyone's cup of tea but, like I said, just mentioning it for the other fans of the band around here.  And nothing wrong with a thread going off on a tangent... 

[Valstar]

A few years ago, Sony asked Iggy Pop to remix Raw Power, as the Bowie mix was only with medium, no treble or bass (what drugs make you do !).

He remixed the whole album, not just remastered if I'm correct. You started to hear stuff that you never heard before (like some piano part, for example).

I was thrilled, always thought the songs of this album were amazing in live but awful on the studio album. The sound was loud but clear.

today, I'm back to the original, the Iggy version seems "untrue", can't say why, it feels like a fake Stooges album.

[Poes Raven]

Been playing this constantly its great!

[Master Ray]

A few years ago, Sony asked Iggy Pop to remix Raw Power, as the Bowie mix was only with medium, no treble or bass (what drugs make you do !).

He remixed the whole album, not just remastered if I'm correct. You started to hear stuff that you never heard before (like some piano part, for example).

I was thrilled, always thought the songs of this album were amazing in live but awful on the studio album. The sound was loud but clear.

today, I'm back to the original, the Iggy version seems "untrue", can't say why, it feels like a fake Stooges album.

Yes, that is a cracking example of how to take an album apart and reassemble it, bit by bit... always loved Raw Power but this new version took it to a whole new level!

[jc]

Thanks was not aware of the remixed Raw Power, I shall order it and do some of my own research.

Cheers

jc