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« Reply #285 on: November 25, 2019, 12:27:09 PM »
Now i have seen


and it was everything Guillaume said. A bloody good horror movie! Loved it and it got under my skin and the ending... :o
And i think it's now clear for me where Sam Raimi got some inspiration for The Evil Dead.
But no spoilers here;-)

SPOILERS!!

Yes, THE EVIL DEAD for the scene when the father and son try to escape the house and are prisoners because of the "living" garden, trees...also obviously THE SHINING because of the very last scene with the families"s pictures and the father becoming "crazy", having morbid "delusions" (??) and trying to kill his son.

I remember having nightmares because of this film when i was a kid because of two things:

-the sinister chauffeur and his sinister grin during Oliver Reed's "delusion" scenes...the one with Bette Davis's slowly agonizing/dying is quite harrowing!  :o

 - the climax/ ending, when Reed comes face to face in the attic with his possessed "wife"...incredible shock ending, with the tension being almost unbearable when Reed slowly goes upstairs to search for his wife, slowly opens the previously unopened door/room and then sees the horrible, ugly truth with what, who his wife has become ...and then the kid being witness of his father's bloody violent "suicide", and then the kid's ugly fate...breathtaking.

Another incredible bit/scene is the first swimming pool scene when Reed tries to drown/kill his son...very unsettling.

I must say that the acting and writing are the film's big strengths. Writing because you can feel slowly the ties between the family members slowly deteriorating/decaying because of the "spirit" of the house. Also, Oliver Reed's performance especially is remarkable, you can feel the confusion and fear in his eyes, voice and gestures in his whole journey through this damn house; in the last scene for example when  he confronts the "old lady"...Reed  really "nails" his character and the climax scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYnHleegEhg

On the blu ray the screenwriter says that the young daughter of Dan Curtis (the director) died during the shooting, falling from a city building, and so that the shooting of the finale (Oliver Reed's stunt falling/crashing to his death) was quite weird, when Curtis courageously had to re-start and finish the shooting...
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« Reply #286 on: November 25, 2019, 08:49:02 PM »

Hey, cthulhu... Hammer house Of Horror was, indeed, a anthology show, made for TV, hour long episodes.

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« Reply #287 on: November 25, 2019, 09:48:59 PM »

Hey, cthulhu... Hammer house Of Horror was, indeed, a anthology show, made for TV, hour long episodes.
ah, sounds like a good show. haven't heard of it until now.


More spoilers, BEWARE  ;), of Burnt Offerings coming



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-the sinister chauffeur and his sinister grin during Oliver Reed's "delusion" scenes...the one with Bette Davis's slowly agonizing/dying is quite harrowing!  :o

these scenes were really hard to watch. Bette Davis is horrible to look at. She goes for it and makes it so unsettling and the subtle make up is frightening. Really scared me.

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- the climax/ ending, when Reed comes face to face in the attic with his possessed "wife"...incredible shock ending, with the tension being almost unbearable when Reed slowly goes upstairs to search for his wife, slowly opens the previously unopened door/room and then sees the horrible, ugly truth with what, who his wife has become ...and then the kid being witness of his father's bloody violent "suicide", and then the kid's ugly fate...breathtaking.

well, it didn't work for me as a suprise in the story path, i knew that much before and was awaiting the conclusion, but then when Karen Blacks face shows up, how evil she looks, her look in her face, that again came as a surprise to have to watch it.

the kid is such a good actor. he acts so adult-like, he in fact is the only one acting sensible later when the madness has set in, his responses to his parents are so well put, with total understanding of the situations and commenting on it with body language and looks. he is the innocence there in the madhouse.

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On the blu ray the screenwriter says that the young daughter of Dan Curtis (the director) died during the shooting, falling from a city building, and so that the shooting of the finale (Oliver Reed's stunt falling/crashing to his death) was quite weird, when Curtis courageously had to re-start and finish the shooting...
wow. again an example of how life is stranger than fiction. and hard to imagine how he must have felt shooting this.


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« Reply #288 on: November 26, 2019, 08:46:00 AM »
More spoilers, BEWARE  ;), of Burnt Offerings coming



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-the sinister chauffeur and his sinister grin during Oliver Reed's "delusion" scenes...the one with Bette Davis's slowly agonizing/dying is quite harrowing!  :o

these scenes were really hard to watch. Bette Davis is horrible to look at. She goes for it and makes it so unsettling and the subtle make up is frightening. Really scared me.

Yes, this scene is "awful"!...also again Oliver Reed's acting here is fantastic, just when he hears the motor of the car and suddenly realizes it's not a real doctor who is coming...he kind of collapses on himself, against the wall...impressive. And yes, Bette Davis's acting and make up in this scene are really unsettling. The second chauffeur scene when Reed is working in the sunny garden is also very very effective...this great close up of Reed's face, frightened, shaking, in sweat.

well, it didn't work for me as a suprise in the story path, i knew that much before and was awaiting the conclusion

Yes, it was probably newer in 1976 this kind of "twist"...there are clues almost from the beginning that Karen Black/Marian becomes haunted when she goes in that room...haunted by the lullaby, the pictures in that sinister room/attic. One thing i loved when i watched the film in the 80's is that you will never know if there was really someone in the room/attic...probably not, just the evil spirit of the house, but it makes at times for an almost unbearable tension, suspens when the characters go upstairs and are near that mysterious locked door...it's powerful and leads to a big payoff at the end!


   
when Karen Blacks face shows up, how evil she looks, her look in her face, that again came as a surprise to have to watch it.

Yes!! She is still creepy, her look, eyes in 2019!! Can you imagine the impact this ending (and the chauffeur scenes) had on me when i watched the film in the late 80's??  ;D :D
The fact that at first during the climax the character"s face isn't revealed to Reed and the viewer is also deeply powerful...i guess it's the Hitchock great lesson in suspens/tension (remember the ending of "Psycho"!!) and Roeg in the "Don't look now" finale.


the kid is such a good actor. he acts so adult-like, he in fact is the only one acting sensible later when the madness has set in, his responses to his parents are so well put, with total understanding of the situations and commenting on it with body language and looks. he is the innocence there in the madhouse.

Yes, he's very good, not overacting...the overall acting/casting is quite remarkable in this film. There are 2/3 very effective moments of acting from this kid, when Reed in his car tries to escape from the house, also when Reed decides to goes upstairs to search for Karen Black, and finally when the kid, stunned and frightened, sees the house crumbling on itself and on him.

wow. again an example of how life is stranger than fiction. and hard to imagine how he must have felt shooting this.

Yes...maybe that this tragic event also enhanced the relentless dark tone of the film, who knows...if i remember well Curtis also says in the audio commentary that the first nightmare/funeral scene was linked to his childhood memories.

BURNT OFFERINGS is a very effective "haunted house movie"  that deserves to be praised as much as more famous "classics" from its era like AMITYVILLE, THE SHINING and THE CHANGELING.
I also recommend the BURNT OFFERINGS novel by Robert Marasco...also effective, very good.
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« Reply #289 on: January 02, 2020, 09:38:24 AM »
It seems that Dario Argento will be back on the big screen this year!  8)
He said last month in Italy that he will direct "Occhiali Neri" ("Dark sunglasses"), an old thriller/giallo project co written by him and Franco Ferrini ("Phenomena", "Opera", "The Stendhal Syndrome", "Sleepless", "The Card Player", etc) in the early 2000's!
Argento should have directed this thriller in 2002 but at the last time the money wasn't there because his producers went bankrupt...instead Argento directed "The Card Player" but now he seems he has recovered the rights of his screenplay and so he will direct "Occhiali Neri" next spring in Roma...Argento said that the film will be shot mostly at night, in Roma and its rocky rural countryside.
The pitch has a "Cat'o'nine tails" vibe with a blind prostitute (played by...Asia Argento!) teaming with an orphan chinese kid to find and arrest a serial killer. :) 
Dario Argento has also announced two horror tv series projects but it seems that "Occhiali Neri" will be directed first!  I can't wait!
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« Reply #290 on: January 02, 2020, 07:57:31 PM »

Sounds interesting, but as you know I haven't been terribly impressed with his recent output... oh well, lets stay optimistic!

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« Reply #291 on: January 03, 2020, 12:33:52 PM »

Sounds interesting, but as you know I haven't been terribly impressed with his recent output... oh well, lets stay optimistic!

Yes, good or not good we have to wait and see but i'm still happy he is going to direct one (last??) film for the big screen, almost ten years after "Dracula 3D"! Last summer Argento was in France and he seemed in rather good health and still enthusiastic about everything at 79 (years old), so crossed fingers!
I'm curious about "Occhiali Neri" because it seems a story closer to Argento's heart than "Giallo" and "Dracula", i mean he co-wrote the screenplay, where his last two movies were much more "producers's projects"!

I've also seen that the americans of Scorpion Releasing have just released three new Argento films on Blu Ray:

"Phantom of the opera", "Sleepless" ("Non ho sonno") and "The Card Player", all three of them featuring audio commentaries, Argento interviews, etc.

I must get hold of the Dario autobiography once it gets translated.

It's now available in English!:


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« Reply #292 on: January 10, 2020, 03:04:07 PM »
Here are the cover visuals of the new Argento Blu Rays:






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« Reply #293 on: February 05, 2020, 06:08:22 PM »
I re-watched "The Mist" by Frank Darabont and if you haven't seen this, you should! 8)

like in all the good Stephen King storys the horror does not come from the monsters, but the humans. And here everything works so well. It's full of cliches and one dimensional characters, but Darabont and Kind use that to portray group dynamics in extreme situations and everything there happening is plausible and soon you begin to feel fear because you know the stupidity of humans and how they will loose all civilized behavior when they/we are frightened...(fear is the only enemy that i still know...)

And it has one of the best endings ever!

I just re-watched it on blu ray...it's still a great, tense, haunting, relentless and finally heartbreaking movie...fine acting from everyone from Thomas Jane the lead actor to the supporting characters and the screenplay is unfortunately relevant with the people going crazy today with religions and science, people committing ugly things to each others and themselves  under ugly, sad extreme circumstances.
True, the last 10/15 minutes are the film's peak, quite unforgettable, with their apocalypse visuals and nasty tragic ideas, enhanced by this incredible Dead Can Dance song...an ending, once seen, never forgotten. One of the best horror movies of the 2000's, for sure.
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« Reply #294 on: February 09, 2020, 09:35:44 AM »
I know what you mean when you say it is relevant and that's the strength of the movie, that it shows how the humans stupid, selfish, fanatic behaviour driven by fear, is the only real horror.




Here is another 40th celebration and i got me this fine edition of The Brood



A very cool package containing a small double sided poster, 6 Postcards and lots of extras.

It was released in 1980 in the UK and is still a very unsetlling, dramatic picture. It has aged a bit i would say regarding the editing and portraying of violence, some effects which just shocked you those days don't work so good nowadays, because the level of violence now seen in almost any picture for any age is way beyond what was seen as allowed and to be showed then and until the end of the 90s. The masks for the "children" look very bad.

But the theme, the acting, the story are very good and intense.
And this movie i think would be totally unmakable in these stupid pc-times, with self-proclaimed SJWs attacking everything they think is attacking something by opinion.
Imagine nowadays a story in which a woman, who was traumatised and cannot cope with her rage inside, is giving birth to violent children-like beings and she is the danger and bad one here. I think releasing such a theme would spark some riots by feminists etc..
Anyways, brilliant movie by a brilliant director.
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« Reply #295 on: February 09, 2020, 10:01:47 AM »
It was released in 1980 in the UK and is still a very unsetlling, dramatic picture. But the theme, the acting, the story are very good and intense. And this movie i think would be totally unmakable in these stupid pc-times, with self-proclaimed SJWs attacking everything they think is attacking something by opinion.
Imagine nowadays a story in which a woman, who was traumatised and cannot cope with her rage inside, is giving birth to violent children-like beings and she is the danger and bad one here. I think releasing such a theme would spark some riots by feminists etc..
Anyways, brilliant movie by a brilliant director.

indeed!! Cronenberg himself said the film was inspired by him and his ex wife parting ways, it was about their divorce!!
I re-watched it a few years ago on blu ray and it is indeed one of Cronenberg's best movies, a bit underrated...it's unsettling disturbing and the "set-pieces" with the "kids" are very effective...the finale is quite incredible!  And Oliver Reed!! What an actor and fantastic presence he was, between this and "Burnt offerings"!  ;)   I would say "The brood" is my favorite Cronenberg movie ex aequo with "Videodrome" and after the terribly moving "The dead zone".

So last night i re-watched as a tribute to Kirk Douglas...Brian De Palma's "The fury"!
Underrated film in the Maestro's career, it has a great tragic family story some great set-pieces as often with De Palma, Kirk Douglas is very good and so is the lovely Amy Irving and the bad guy John Cassavetes, and the great John William's main title.
And that ending is HISTORY!   ;D 8) 8)
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« Reply #296 on: February 09, 2020, 10:08:04 AM »
I had a little Cronenberg retrospective the recent time, i bought and re-watched The Dead Zone, Videodrome and Dead Ringers.
Well, i haven't yet re-watched Dead Ringers in the new edition i finally got, but to me it is my favourite cronenberg. Jeremy Irons delivered a unique and outstanding performance, i think kind of unparalleled in movies.

The Dead Zone was also a terrific re-watch, a fantastic thriller with a great Walken.
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« Reply #297 on: February 09, 2020, 08:18:40 PM »

Aw, so funny that you mentioned 'The Brood', I downloaded it a few nights ago, haven't seen it since I was a kid!  I have pretty much no memory of it.  So looking forward to it!

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« Reply #298 on: February 10, 2020, 09:25:47 AM »
Cool, then i'm very curious what you will say about it. And i hope i didn't spoiler anything for you in my post.
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« Reply #299 on: February 26, 2020, 08:53:11 PM »
Cool, then i'm very curious what you will say about it. And i hope i didn't spoiler anything for you in my post.

Well, I finally got around to watching 'The Brood'... and I agree with your comment, it is a truly fine horror film, probably one of Mr C's top five.  Yes, it's very slow to start, yes, it probably looks a bit tame to modern audiences... but the concept behind it is just so disturbing!

I'll also put out another vote for Oliver Reed being one of the most under-rated actors of all time.  Most people regard him as a drunken buffoon, his various antics taking precedence over his performances (and to be fair, he didn't do much to dissuade the idea and he probably had more fun than any other human being in this world ever had!   :D )  but his performance here was just so heartfelt, nice to see him play the good guy for once.

As a sidenote, I also downloaded 'Rabid' the other day, another one I vaguely remember from my VHS days...  also really enjoyed it, not as good as The Brood, but a lot faster paced and more commercial.  Marilyn Chambers put in a good role and there were some terrific shock scenes.  I believe there was a remake last year, anyone seen it?

Now, I need to find a good download of 'Shivers'... another films I haven't seen since probably the 90's.

Also, here's a little bit of oddness, a trailer from the early 80's that linked 'Shivers' and 'Night Of The Living Dead (the quality is a bit shit, sorry) for a video release... I saw this trailer before I saw either film, I was only about 12 or something, and it really freaked me out!  Anyone else remember this creepy clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GceL1E9-DHI
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