Dario Argento and others thrillers/horror movies directors

[Master Ray]

Aw, regardless of what the reviews say, I know damn well I'm going to check it out on opening weekend! 

[Guillaume]

Aw, regardless of what the reviews say, I know damn well I'm going to check it out on opening weekend! 

Me too! Maybe it will help to re-release Dario's original movie on the big screen, restored, 4K print...it's quite an incredible movie on the big screen...

[cthulhu]

i don't understand the thing with the 4k print on a technical level. i would love to see his movies on a big screen.
but my thoughts are like this:
i've read somewhere that a 35mm format, i don't know which one argento used, is somewhat like 2k, when you "count" the film-grain on the celluloid and that a 2k transfer gives a good quality when transfered from analog to digital. of course when you think, the more the better.
but this would mean to digitize the movie instead of showing an original print. nowadays the cameras have more digital resolution than film has. i think at least. this 4k is more a digital thing in my opinion. of course you can restore it that way if the print is too damaged, but i would prefer an original print. what do you think about it?

[Guillaume]

i've read somewhere that a 35mm format, i don't know which one argento used, is somewhat like 2k, when you "count" the film-grain on the celluloid and that a 2k transfer gives a good quality when transfered from analog to digital. of course when you think, the more the better.
but this would mean to digitize the movie instead of showing an original print. nowadays the cameras have more digital resolution than film has. i think at least. this 4k is more a digital thing in my opinion. of course you can restore it that way if the print is too damaged, but i would prefer an original print. what do you think about it?

I don't have really an opinion about it...i've seen great 35mm screenings through the years in the 80's, 90's, 2000's, also not very good screenings because the prints were too damaged...the 2k screenings i've seen this summer in Paris of PHENOMENA and OPERA were very very nice, and DEEP RED 4K screening was fantastic too!   
Some directors don't like at all the look of HD cinematography, digital...Tarantino and Christopher Nolan being the most famous pro 35mm/70mm directors...they think that digital have a too clean, too cold, too sharp look...nothing like the "warmth" of 35mm/70mm...it's a bit like the "war" of the sound of the CD vs the sound of the Vynil, i guess!

A friend of mine has seen some years ago a 35mm, English stereo 4 (or 6?) tracks of SUSPIRIA at the...Bradford Film  Festival and he said to me that it was GORGEOUS on 35mm, with all the wonderful colours bleeding from the screen and the original big stereo sound with all the whispers "Witch!!" of the soundtrack all around the heads and ears of the audience...nothing, according to him, like the blown out/burnt 2K copy the Wild Side company made of "Suspiria" these last years...
i've read very enthusiastic reports of the 4K copy of SUSPIRIA that the US Synapse company made last year, though...i would like to see that one on the big screen.

[Master Ray]

I have no idea what 4K is... I still think that HD is a pretty nice idea.   

[cthulhu]

4k is two times 2k;-)
if you have a movie filmed on celluloid it runs with 24 frames per second. each frame is photographed and digitized and mostly this was done in 2k resolution. full hd is 1920x1080 pixels per frame, hd is i think 1280x720 and a dvd is 720x576. 4k is 4096x2160 pixels per frame.

when dvd came out it was fantastic, but no comparison to a theater screening. now with full hd i'm totally satisfied with the quality, the digitized picture can show grain of the celluloid and my question was also about, what is the resolution of a celluloid frame? it's defiantely more than full hd, but to me it feels very acceptable and it's for home use anyway. the big screen is always better and demands more resolution. the full-hd format also introduced the 24fps playing of a movie and the losless audio tracks, so theres nothing to complain or to wish for more by me here.

but with the resolution comes also the depth of colour and it should make a difference if the celluloid is captured in 4k and then downscaled to full hd.

but the main part of my question was: if you have an original print, celluloid, then its analog and you can screen it loke it was intended. if you have a 4k restoration, then the analog movie becomes digital and you need also a digital projector.
i see this topic different than when it's about music analog vs. digital and think a 4k movie could be a blast.

so i can now come back to topic and just found today an offer,was only 25€, of "suspiria" in a mediabook, a blu ray which has the restored 4k version on it and after this discussion here i had to buy it and i'm so looking forward to it.
i hope it will arrive next week and this will be my first 4k overworked movie.

of course there are now real 4k blu rays out but for that you'll need obviously a screen which can display that.

[Master Ray]

Cheers, mate, for the explanation!   

[Guillaume]

so i can now come back to topic and just found today an offer,was only 25€, of "suspiria" in a mediabook, a blu ray which has the restored 4k version on it and after this discussion here i had to buy it and i'm so looking forward to it.
i hope it will arrive next week and this will be my first 4k overworked movie.

The best of the best SUSPIRIA blu ray, according to many reviewers, is the US one released this year:

https://synapse-films.com/blu-ray/suspiria-two-disc-blu-ray-special-edition/

Dario Argento’s SUSPIRIA comes to home video from Synapse Films in an exclusive new 4K restoration from the original uncut, uncensored 35mm Italian camera negative with the original 4.0 English surround sound mix, for the first time EVER! Painstakingly restored over the past three years, Synapse Films has created the ultimate special edition of this horror classic with the supervision and approval of the film’s Director of Photography, Luciano Tovoli.


I don't own it because i don't have a multi region/zones blu ray player though...i own the italian blu ray released one or two years ago, which i think is pretty good.

[cthulhu]

I ordered the german version of the 4k restauration.

"There are, however, actually two 4K restorations that were done for Suspiria; one, by Don May Jr., while the other was performed by TLEFilms FRPS in Germany. This is the same master used for home video release in Europe and Australia. Fans have viewed and picked apart both transfers, though you would have to be one of the ultra-purists to enter that debate and engage anyone willing to discredit either image. The job done by Synapse is extraordinary and the same can also be said for the work done by TLEFilms. This release by CultFilms features the TLEFilms restoration, making it either an attractive alternative to Synapse’s (currently OOP) steelbook release or a nice supplement for fans who wish to own both 4K versions."

The real interest many will have with this review is in regard to the picture quality. As I said before, the 2.35:1 1080p image provided by TFEFilms’ exhaustive restoration work is nothing short of astounding. This looks like a film that might have been made last year, never mind over four decades ago. The image is razor sharp, exceedingly clear and completely free of blemishes, dirt, debris, scratches, fluctuations, and jitter. The picture could not appear more stable, with the contrast rock solid and coloration a thing of beauty. Primaries leap off the screen with vibrancy even longtime fans will admit is a shocking surprise. Watching this picture in action is a true treat. Detailing is exquisite, revealing every little nuance in Argento’s framing. Simply put, this is a flawless image that ranks among the upper echelon of reference-quality Blu-ray transfers.

Similarly, the audio is no slouch with options available in both English and Italian, each receiving both a DTS-HD MA 5.1 surround sound track and an LPCM 2.0 option. The multi-channel track is the clear winner here, proving a deep, immersive audible experience that completely envelops the viewer in both Argento’s world and Goblin’s phenomenal score. Seriously, the soundtrack for Suspiria has never been as unsettling and overpowering as it is here, filling every corner of your home theater room with a palpable sense of dread. Subtitles are, of course, available in English.

Please note: this release is locked to Region B, meaning you must have a compatible player to watch the disc.

This release also features different bonus material from the Synapse release, with an emphasis here placed on the restoration process. Completists may want to add this disc to their collection because it not only offers up a different-but-equal a/v presentation but also a new collection of bonus features.
https://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/267247/suspiria-u-k-blu-ray-review-argentos-masterpiece-stunning-4k-clarity/

this version i bought is still available by amazon and its region b.
you have to look at other sellers, there's a new copy sold from "-uniqueplace-" for 22€! without shipping from zwitzerland.
https://www.amazon.de/Suspiria-Uncut-Anniversary-Mediabook-Blu-ray/dp/B075LJD4HN/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=


did you ever check if you can unlock your blu ray player?
i found one years ago, was a little more expensive and it would have been an import and then went for a normal one. i thought i will buy someday an american cheap player if needed, but until now i haven't found so much special offers and releases of overseas, so i think i can live with my one.
but now the question of a new display really comes to mind. i own a very old lcd-full hd and it looks outdated. would like to have a led-tv.

[Guillaume]

For the US NMA fans, a Dario Argento tribute this month in New York!!...35mm and DCP screenings!:

http://metrograph.com/series/series/158/dario-argento

[Master Ray]

Happy 78th birthday, Dario Argento!   

[Guillaume]

yes!
born the same year and same month than...Brian De Palma!!

[Master Ray]

Oh, just noticed that John Carpenter is playing in Manchester (not too far away from me) in October!  At an awesome venue called Albert Hall, no less!  Looking into as whether I can make that one... 

[Guillaume]

Oh, just noticed that John Carpenter is playing in Manchester (not too far away from me) in October!  At an awesome venue called Albert Hall, no less!  Looking into as whether I can make that one... 

It can be an incredible evening with a living legend!!
Big John will be in Paris next month too. 

[Master Ray]

Oh, just noticed that John Carpenter is playing in Manchester (not too far away from me) in October!  At an awesome venue called Albert Hall, no less!  Looking into as whether I can make that one... 

It can be an incredible evening with a living legend!!
Big John will be in Paris next month too. 

... and I just realised that I'm going to be in Wales with my Dad that weekend (something I've put a bit of work into and is a couple of decades in the making, long story) so can't make the JC gig... 

Damn my hectic social life.  Which is a joke, seeing as most weekends I have nothing to do, but sods law dictates that two things I REALLY want to do collide on the same days...