Thunder and Consolation

[Guillaume]

Happy 30th birthday THUNDER AND CONSOLATION!!:

https://rockandrollglobe.com/folk/celebrating-30-years-of-new-model-armys-thunder-and-consolation/

[Master Ray]

Question here... does anyone here regard the 'best' version of T+C to be the UK CD version that had the extra tracks on it? 

And I say that who bought the original 10-track album on vinyl but quickly replaced it with the CD with those lovely extra tracks... and now it seems a bit short without them... 

[Red]

https://www.sputnikmusic.com/list.php?memberid=1053649&listid=177125

This album is a monolith. An idea of releasing 15 songs (or even 19, depending on what version you have) on one album is surely an ambitious one, so you better make sure that they are as good as they can be. The band took the aimless catchiness and compositional raditude of their earlier work, instrumental variety of their more experimental phases and bold anthemic conceptual ambition to push Post-Punk forward into more ambitious and monolithic horizons. This album can go from grandiose to sensual in seamless transitions and still possess a certain smooth slickness. It is a magnetic and pulsating record that strikes with its instantly memorable songwriting and overwhelming nature.

Go-to tracks: I Love the World, 225, Green and Grey, Family Life, Vagabonds, Archway Towers, The Charge, White Coats

 

Its just a go to album

[lotus]

Followed the sputnikmusic link and thought, something is wrong ..
My old lp has 10 songs, last one is one of my fav - Archway Towers
And my old later published cd comes along with 15 tracks,
My 2 cd-version with 24 tracks is a remastered version with bonus tracks and 5 live versions of the old lp tracks

I love the old lp (and Family and Bodmin Pill and ....)

[ruckedout]

I have often wondered what is said at the begining of "Family"

[Whirlwind]

I have often wondered what is said at the begining of "Family"

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It's just studio chatter.
You can clearly hear Justin say, "I don't know. Maybe I should come in this..."

[Tony S]

I have often wondered what is said at the begining of "Family"

.
It's just studio chatter.
You can clearly hear Justin say, "I don't know. Maybe I should come in this..."

Sounds more like "I don't know, maybe I should come and listen" to me. That's also more likely if in a recording studio.

[Zenboy]

Hi,

I've always heard it as "I don't know, maybe I should come in a little bit...." ie come in a little bit earlier but then the music then kicks in.

Cheers,

Zen

[Whirlwind]

It's just studio chatter.
You can clearly hear Justin say, "I don't know. Maybe I should come in this..."

Sounds more like "I don't know, maybe I should come and listen" to me. That's also more likely if in a recording studio.

More likely?
Uh, the "more likely" is what I hear. Musicians in a studio ask that question - when should I come in - more than they ask any other question in the studio.  Just curious, have you ever been in a recording studio?

[Wessexy Witch]

Hi,

I've always heard it as "I don't know, maybe I should come in a little bit...." ie come in a little bit earlier but then the music then kicks in.

Cheers,

Zen

That's what I hear to.

[Tony S]

It's just studio chatter.
You can clearly hear Justin say, "I don't know. Maybe I should come in this..."

Sounds more like "I don't know, maybe I should come and listen" to me. That's also more likely if in a recording studio.

More likely?

Uh, the "more likely" is what I hear. Musicians in a studio ask that question - when should I come in - more than they ask any other question in the studio.  Just curious, have you ever been in a recording studio?

Ok, so what would the next words be if he said "I don't know, maybe I should come in this..." ?  That line of thinking would make sense if he said "maybe I should come in at this..", as that could be followed up with the word point. "Maybe I should come in at this point", or this chord, or this drum beat or whatever. But without the addition of "at" or "on" this, it doesn't really make any sense.

However, "maybe I should come and listen" could very well mean him referring to going into the control room to listen to a bit of playback.

Anyway, I guess only Justin knows exactly what he was saying, even if he can remember !

[Whirlwind]

Ok, so what would the next words be if he said "I don't know, maybe I should come in this..." ? 

without the addition of "at" or "on", it doesn't really make any sense.

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"I don't know, maybe I should come in this time a little earlier."

Uhh, is English your first or ninth language?
Not that hard to come up with things that make sense.

[Tony S]

Ok, so what would the next words be if he said "I don't know, maybe I should come in this..." ? 

without the addition of "at" or "on", it doesn't really make any sense.

.
"I don't know, maybe I should come in this time a little earlier."

Uhh, is English your first or ninth language?
Not that hard to come up with things that make sense.

Ok, I'll give you that, but it would be more common in English to say "I should come in a little earlier this time", than the more unwieldy sounding "I should come in this time a little earlier".

Bored of arguing about this now anyway. I still hear it as "maybe I should come 'n' lis..."

[ruckedout]

I was trying to think earlier of other examples where studio chatter could be heard during recording and not only heard, but adopted as an intro to a song on an album?

In my very narrow musical taste, the only thing i could think of...... (i was thinking for no more than a minute by the way) was The Clash and Card Cheat......(im sure Whirlwind will correct me here), but doesnt Joe Strummer say "not right start all over again"

[Master Ray]

All I can add is... 'Thank you, son, whose next?'