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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2014, 08:33:07 PM »
yeah, loving those tracks...

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2014, 08:41:04 PM »
Some rare stuff linked to it on the right hand side also   ;)

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2014, 10:04:42 PM »
I've just been sorting through some old back up stuff today and listened to The Rose bootleg earlier.  Sprinkling of fairy dust is a good description.

Done a quick search just now and I have a copy of a track called 24 hours in a folder named Roly.  I am in desperate need for sleep but will listen tomorrow and see if it's insrumental.

Edited to add. I should read to the end!
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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2023, 10:58:05 PM »

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2023, 10:18:36 AM »
Oh, and POEM...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyZt6vaNrg

Great song! Are the lyrics available somewhere?

I haven't found an official version. This is my and a contributor called Monty's best shot:

http://www.ne-ne.de/nmasongs/op.html#poem

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2023, 12:15:16 AM »
Oh, and POEM...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyZt6vaNrg

Great song! Are the lyrics available somewhere?

I haven't found an official version. This is my and a contributor called Monty's best shot:

http://www.ne-ne.de/nmasongs/op.html#poem

Thank you so much!! ah if only the band could put this song on a next album! NMA must have a lot of other very interesting unreleased tracks for a future "B Sides and abandoned tracks" or "Lost Songs" second part!

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2024, 02:42:43 PM »
POEM? A lot of these song names seem to have been made up later. Certainly not the ones I remember them having at the time.

On the 2" master tape it's titled F#NY. Recorded at the Sawmill during first T&C sessions, so probably around December 1987.

Another, which we recorded at Brian Johnson's studio in a very snowy Newcastle (Lynx?) at the same time as Courage, so probably December '86, was called FBM because, when asked how it sounded, Mond Cowie replied "Howay man, that's ******* Bastard Massive!"

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2024, 04:26:44 PM »
On the 2" master tape it's titled F#NY.

This one is a different song it seems, not this mysterious "Poem" song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vioz4Ylgls

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2024, 11:33:44 AM »
Not familiar with that one, so it's possible the name got reused for a different song. What you know as POEM I definitely have as F#NY on a studio master. I have a box full of tapes run off of various mixing desks in my loft, so I went and dug it out.

It happens... Glyn Johns started to produce an abandoned version of Brave New World almost a year before working with us on Ghost of Cain, but again, the outcome of that session was not what we were looking for. Whirlwind wasn't always called Whirlwind. The first demo of the drum and bass idea recorded at the Sawmill in 1987 for T&C was titled Crazy Horses, after the Osmonds song. The 1988 demo we did in Wales before T&C was released was Let the Wild Winds Blow, which became Whirlwind after I'd left. By then, the original drum and bass parts had been hugely simplified, following another demo where, according to Robert and Nelson, Pat Collier said the song just didn't work. I think the final version has parts of the 1988 version, along with parts of London, another abandoned one recorded at the same December 1988 session. To be fair, the output from that session wasn't great, and played a small part in my decision to leave the band before we'd even started to tour T&C.

Higher Wall and Dead Eye went through similar development hell, the former being abandoned some time after I left, and the latter relegated to a B-side following numerous mixes and re-recordings. Justin and I had a fundamental disagreement on what I should be doing. I tried to come up with another bass part, but I felt the existing line worked, and I liked playing it. While I liked what I'd done, he didn't, and neither of us would budge, which is why the bass is quite low in the mix that was eventually used. Mike Gregovich's version (with the typewriter intro) that he and I did at a studio somewhere in West London when T&C was being put together is still my favourite. There's also a better Andy Wallace mix of I Love the World that wasn't used, and a version of 225 with a string arrangement at the end, which was also abandoned.

One day I might write all of this down. Anyway, I digress. I came looking for something else, but sometimes this forum drags me in.

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2024, 12:02:54 PM »
Please write it all down.........your posts have made really interesting reading...i am sure there are many other people who would also be pleased to read it. Many thanks. 8)..

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2024, 12:04:17 PM »

One day I might write all of this down. Anyway, I digress. I came looking for something else, but sometimes this forum drags me in.

You are very welcome to digress some more! Thank you very much for this very interesting inside view! I wish I could hear some of the mentioned versions...

All the best,
Karsten

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2024, 03:07:06 PM »
Yes, i agree with Ghosttrain and Karsten, it's always a pleasure, interesting to read about your memories of your NMA years, so thank you Moose!

There's also a better Andy Wallace mix of I Love the World that wasn't used, and a version of 225 with a string arrangement at the end, which was also abandoned.

Too bad we couldn't listen to them, because they are two of NMA's most beautiful songs. As much as I like all previous and subsequent NMA albums, "Thunder and consolation" and "The ghost of Cain" the two albums on which you played bass, remain my favorite albums of the band, the ones that I have the most listened to since my discovery of NMA in the mid-90s!

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Re: Unreleased songs - where do they come from?
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2024, 09:35:25 PM »
Please do write it all down Moose. You were part of something very special, and such deserves to be recorded and shared with those who are interested.
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