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pjevac

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Lyrics
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:07:12 AM »
Hi! In the wake of Winter, but also not only in direct connection to it, I'd like to open this discussion. English is not my first language. However I'd like to think I understand it well and can speak, read and write and have a normal conversation using it, I still sometimes have a feeling I'm missing some points due to intertextuality and some referrences that escape me, not being daily exposed to UK media or street talk or whatever makes it a core of that culture. It's like if I would be talking to someone in my homeland, Croatia, and with just mentioning some name in a way to describe a situation or a deed the person I'm talking to will get it immediately, but someone who's with us but grew up somewhere else would need to be explained what I meant.
There are many songs that I like a lot, some that I also sometimes play on my own gigs, but have never fully understood the meaning of the lyrics or what they actually are referring to. Or it's just that sometimes we all attach our own meaning to a song and don't bother finding out what the songwriter actually had in mind. Well, I'd like to bother, I'd like to know fully what some lines in some songs mean. So if anyone feels like explaining some lines or some referrences in, say, Family Life, where I still, after all these years, cannot get the line "Of the comfort for the girls who work alone", or some other songs, please do explain it. there are other songs I could name here, but let's start with that one...

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2016, 09:30:13 AM »
Interesting idea for a thread, thanks!

 So if anyone feels like explaining some lines or some referrences in, say, Family Life, where I still, after all these years, cannot get the line "Of the comfort for the girls who work alone"[/quote]

i guess it's an overall picture of loneliness of people...the far North, the girls, and the "hero" of the song...all alone, together?

I would like to know the meanings of songs like "Devil's bargain" and "Far better thing" too...

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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2016, 11:34:37 AM »
I guess far better thing is about leaving a relationship / leaving home / a unhappy situation
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2016, 01:11:33 PM »
I guess far better thing is about leaving a relationship / leaving home / a unhappy situation

probably but in the lyrics there's the word "cancer" and "hospital" if i remember well, so i thought it was also about a dying man/woman and the sorrow of people facing loss, deaths of loved ones...i also wondered if Billy McCann in "Drummy B" was a friend of Justin, it's a song of lost friendship/betrayal for me.

"Devil's bargain" lyrics:

"People are like trees, they sway and they bend
But you stand like a rock and face into the wind
But you were never scared of anything or anyone
You stand like a statue as the animals come
To take from your hand, to eat from your hand
There's a dusty old photograph I'll always recall
Maybe it's true what they say – it takes a piece of your soul
You were jumping from the bridge and falling into space
Looking back at the camera with that smile on your face"

Mysterious lyrics...who is this person "jumping from the bridge, looking back at the camera with that smile on his/her face"?
if you read literally the person falls to his/her death, commits suicide, with a smile...a bit like Knievel??
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2016, 03:06:02 PM »
The song I most admire lyrically is "Higher Wall"

Such clever lyrics like a story, the story immigrants desiring to, and trying to get into the U.K. from their viewpoint.  While at the same time, we are shown to want to keep, not share the proportional riches we have accumulated for ourselves. The most powerful line in the song " We are your bastard children, all coming home" At first I thought JS  was perhaps making a reference to what must be in fact thousands of people across the former British Empire who are indeed illegitimate descendants of British Soldiers or Officials. The more I have listened to it in relation to the rest of the song I think it is more about Commercialism. In Third World Countries we traded and shown from the Western World the day to day luxuries we take for granted, things that most people in the Third Would could never expect to own, or experience very rarely. Mobile phones, cars, computers, light and heating, fast food chains, etc, all of which such people may see in their cities, but perhaps not have themselves. Hence the desire to go to the source of origin, where the wealth started from in the West, acquire such things for themselves, and live the lives they imagine the Tourists they have seen from the West in their country have.  That"s my take on it. Either way, a very powerful well written song.
Love the way "Die trying" kind of carries on with the story and is very topical at this time. JS has shown much empathy with the situation as a whole. Would not be surprised if in the future another song from JS follows, perhaps picking up the situation of those who have made it to the West, their promised land, only to face other problems  such as racism or fitting in to a new society, something along the lines of the lyrics to BD3.

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2016, 03:43:00 PM »
Good thread pjevac , have a look here some good stuff on it if you look.
 http://www.ne-ne.de/nmasongs/  ;)

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2016, 04:15:57 PM »
Great, thank you all for getting to it, I hope we continue!

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2016, 07:01:24 PM »
My take:

"jumping from the bridge, looking back at the camera with that smile on his/her face"? - i always imagined a guy bungee jumping here.

"for the comfort of the girls who work alone" - i take"girls who work alone" to be prostitutes - so yeah, the inherent loneliness of it all, looking for comfort and never finding it.

so, my question: what does "Echo November" mean or refer to? unfortunately it makes me think of a 1980's police TV show ... argh!!  ???

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2016, 09:00:02 PM »
Far Better Thing is arguably Justin's darkest song to date. From what I understand it deals with the concept of killing for love or to do good (helping a friend with terminal cancer end their life, a political assassination or even suicide). The title is borrowed from Dickens' A Tale Of Two Cities ("It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done")

In the story, the main character choses to be executed instead of his friend so that the woman they both love can be with her true love which is his friend.


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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2016, 09:11:25 PM »
"....businessman on corruption charges
Millions of dollars in dirty money
A thousand pound fine after months in court
While the lawyers get fat and the law gets bought"

A particular favourite of mine; seems to sum up (for me at least) the underpinning tenet of Capitalism - if you've got the money, you've got the law.

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 07:08:41 AM »
Far Better Thing is arguably Justin's darkest song to date. From what I understand it deals with the concept of killing for love or to do good (helping a friend with terminal cancer end their life, a political assassination or even suicide). The title is borrowed from Dickens' A Tale Of Two Cities ("It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done")

In the story, the main character choses to be executed instead of his friend so that the woman they both love can be with her true love which is his friend.

Exactly. 'Far Better Thing' is all about killing, or rather knowing when it's necessary, in order to preserve that which you love.

The 1st verse is about euthanasia; the second starts with the realisation that meat is murder, then moves to planning an assassination; and the chorus references Sydney Carton's last words “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known,” prior to his sacrificial execution/suicide.

Figuratively it could refer to 'killing' something more abstract, for a greater good, which reminds me of 'Nothing Dies Easy'...
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2016, 03:55:04 PM »
Going back to the OP, great question...

For me, the lyric continues from the line before -
"Past the places where your brother died
Of the comfort for the girls who work alone"

- which I take as a reference to AIDS and prostitution, which was very much new into everyone's awareness back in '87.  [Frickin hell, that's 30 years!]

Happy to help chipping in with other questions, but Justin's always been keen to NOT explain the lyrics, as part of the strength is what YOU bring to them, not what HE meant.


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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2016, 06:55:35 PM »
Thanks, technicalboy, on sharing your view, I somehow had some similar idea about it, but was not sure. As I say, it's not just about understanding the words themselves but also about understanding the context and the time when the song was written for to get the whole picture. Another song from the same period is another mystery for me to fully understand. It's actually one of the songs I love the best, Nothing Touches. BTW, I never heard of a live version of this song being available and I also checked all the posted set lists and never have seen it on them, so I wonder if they ever actually play it live, if anyone knows of it please tell me.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 04:28:24 PM »
Another song from the same period is another mystery for me to fully understand. It's actually one of the songs I love the best, Nothing Touches. BTW, I never heard of a live version of this song being available and I also checked all the posted set lists and never have seen it on them, so I wonder if they ever actually play it live, if anyone knows of it please tell me.

It's also one of my very favorite NMA songs, and i can't believe it's never played live!  Justin's voice has probably never been as sweet delicate frail moving and etheral than on this song (with "Marry the sea", maybe)...but i'm not sure to really understand the meaning(s) of the lyrics too! ;)
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 08:58:08 AM »
And what about the lyrics of "Someone like Jesus"?