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Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« on: September 14, 2016, 11:12:48 PM »
So... the Internet puts out loads of silly rumours on a daily basis... but these are a few things that existed mostly pre-internet... dumb shit that has ALL been proven to be false, but some people still insist that it's true... which one of these did you ever hear, if any? 

Marilyn Manson is the speccy kid from 'The Wonder Years'.

A certain UK pop singer from the 80's had to have two pints of semen pumped out from his stomach.

If you drop a tooth into a glass of Coca-Cola overnight, it will completely dissolve.

Daddy Long Legs are one of the most venomous creatures on the planet, but us humans are safe because they don't have any fangs to bite us with.

The city of Nottingham has five women to every man.

Mama Cass, from The Mama's and The Papa's, died choking on a ham sandwich.

Elvis died on the toilet.

A certain actor, big in the 80's and 90's, was admitted to hospital to have a gerbil removed from his rectum.

Phil Collins wrote 'In The Air Tonight' after watching someone drown and fellow bystanders refused to help them... and he invited that same person to a gig and sang it to them, with a spotlight on.

And the one that really annoys me... after every terrorist attack over the last couple of decades, I've genuinely heard people (usually utter f-ing numpties) talk about how they really, honestly, knew someone who met (insert applicable racial stereotype here) who they were nice to for some kindness or other and were then told to stay away from (insert destination of subsequent terrorist attack on whatever date)... seriously, I first heard that after Warrington in 1993...

What fooking idiocy have you fellow intelligent folks ever heard reported as 'fact'? 
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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2016, 11:33:06 PM »
Going slightly off course, was the whole 9/11 thing really  totally done by terrorists or was there some truth behind some of the conspiracy theories. I used to think fck it was all done by terrorists these people who think otherwise are all nuts  the us government or whoever would never kill all those people n cause all that devastation, mmm now I'm not so sure.


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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2016, 12:02:38 AM »
The city of Nottingham has five women to every man.

That's true. I keep my other four in a storage unit in Derbyshire  ::)

I have heard the "stay away from the such "n" such shopping centre" on the 19th of whatever rumour before. Also remember a good one involving a cyst on a FKC chicken leg mistaken for mayo doing the rounds in the past.

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2016, 02:16:03 AM »
Elvis died on the toilet.

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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2016, 07:26:02 AM »
Cathernine the great died shagging a horse.

Totally untrue.

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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 09:13:02 AM »
Going slightly off course, was the whole 9/11 thing really  totally done by terrorists or was there some truth behind some of the conspiracy theories. I used to think fck it was all done by terrorists these people who think otherwise are all nuts  the us government or whoever would never kill all those people n cause all that devastation, mmm now I'm not so sure.

The onus is on anyone who thinks this, to come up with the evidence to show it. Good luck with that.
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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 01:54:13 PM »
I'm a million miles away from being any expert n used to think people into conspiracy theories should get a life. Two worrying things on 9/11 I'm sure there is much more that can be explained both ways. The bbc reports building 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did, building 6 clearly has no rubble in the middle after collapse. Oh wasn't it weird the way the buildings fell almost like experts had planted explosives
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 01:58:38 PM »
The rat falling into the fryer, person eats rat in dark place normally cinema.
Chinese takeaways selling cat n dog meat, when they can charge £7 for a curry n rice that probably costs about £2 max why would they.
Kebabs are elephant legs lol
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 08:27:39 PM »
I'm a million miles away from being any expert n used to think people into conspiracy theories should get a life. Two worrying things on 9/11 I'm sure there is much more that can be explained both ways. The bbc reports building 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did, building 6 clearly has no rubble in the middle after collapse. Oh wasn't it weird the way the buildings fell almost like experts had planted explosives

The twin towers fell the way they did because their inner steel core melted, causing the buildings to implode rather than collapse.

There is also the theory that you can see controlled demolitions going off in several floors just before they came down... nope, those explosions of smoke were compressed air being blasted out of the towers from the floors above.

The BBC thing... yeah, that's odd and I'm pretty sure I read it being debunked, can't find the link at the moment, will get back to you.

I think that the whole conspiracy thing can be debunked for one simple reason... it would have taken hundreds, if not thousands, of people to pull it off and not ONE person has emerged in the subsequent 15 years..?

What I do believe, absolutely, is that the US government diverted their investigations from their Saudi pals (to protect the Bin Ladens) and used 9/11 as an excuse to pursue other vendettas...  >:(
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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 09:05:31 PM »
The rat falling into the fryer, person eats rat in dark place normally cinema.
Chinese takeaways selling cat n dog meat, when they can charge £7 for a curry n rice that probably costs about £2 max why would they.
Kebabs are elephant legs lol

Ha!  Never heard the elephant legs one before, that's brilliant!

Also heard something about a big bag full of cats heads been found in a dustbin in Manchesters 'Curry Mile'.  Yeah, because any restaurant wanting to get their cleaniness rating from the local government wouldn't just use low-grade chicken instead...  ::)
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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 09:59:23 AM »
I'm a million miles away from being any expert n used to think people into conspiracy theories should get a life. Two worrying things on 9/11 I'm sure there is much more that can be explained both ways. The bbc reports building 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did,
The BBC has a poor track record of accuracy in breaking news. Happened on 7/7 as well - poor accuracy as the story broke. People make mistakes.

On 9/11, the fire department knew WTC7 was doomed, as it had a serious fire, and no way of tackling, as the mains had been severed.  They put a transit up, which is how they knew it was failing.  They could see structural deformation due to the heat, and the twin towers had suffered similar fates, so it was hardly a surprise to them.  They put the word out, and being a chaotic day, these things get misinterpreted.  I mean how many of us actually knew which was WTC7?

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building 6 clearly has no rubble in the middle after collapse.
Other than the debris inside you mean.  It took a huge hit when the North tower went.  Steelwork ripped through, and went through the floors. What would you expect when this happens? Given that its not something that happened before, I find it strange people point out these things are suspicious, I mean two of the biggest skyscrapers come down in an uncontrolled manner, take out multiple buildings around it in the process, and this is somehow a sign of something we haven't been shown?

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Oh wasn't it weird the way the buildings fell almost like experts had planted explosives
Point to one controlled demolition of a large building where they start the collapse near the top, where a raging fire is occurring, and the building is allowed to take out multiple buildings around it.  The twin towers came down as if they were fire damaged, as that is where the collapse started.

WTC7 collapsed due to fire, but the fire was more widespread. It also collapsed onto another building, but not in a catastrophic way.

Like I said, the onus is on you to supply evidence of anything you claim, but you have yet to supply any.
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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2016, 10:16:06 AM »

The twin towers fell the way they did because their inner steel core melted, causing the buildings to implode rather than collapse.
Slight nitpick....
They didn't melt.

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6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
https://www.nist.gov/engineering-laboratory/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation

The reason the steel didn't melt is that it didn't need to, as it would have only have had to reach about 600C before it has fraction of its normal strength, and it almost certainly exceeded this.  The core, while weakened, was probably not the initial failure mechanism, going by the evidence available.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html
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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2016, 11:09:48 AM »
I think that the whole conspiracy thing can be debunked for one simple reason... it would have taken hundreds, if not thousands, of people to pull it off and not ONE person has emerged in the subsequent 15 years..?
Indeed.
Here is a list I got a few years ago, (source has since gone down):

A list of people and organisations involved in the clean up and investigation:
 1,200 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
 40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
 55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
 7,000+ FBI Agents
 8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
 ACE Bermuda Insurance
 AEMC Construction
 AIG Insurance
 Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington
 Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue
 Allianz Global Risks
 American Airlines
 American Concrete Institute
 American Institute of Steel Construction
 American Red Cross
 Applied Biosystems Inc.
 Applied Research Associates
 Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
 Arlington County Fire Department
 Arlington County Sheriff's Department
 Arlington VA Police Department
 Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
 Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee
 ARUP USA
 Atlantic Heydt Inc.
 Bechtel
 Berlin Fire Department
 Big Apple Wrecking
 Blanford & Co.
 Bode Technology Group
 Bovis Inc.
 Building and Construction Trades Council
 Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
 C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville
 Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.
 California Incident Management Team
 Carter Burgess Engineering
 Celera Genomics
 Centers for Disease Control
 Central City Fire Department
 Central Intelligence Agency
 Cleveland Airport control tower
 Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics
 Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee
 Consolidated Edison Company
 Construction Technologies Laboratory
 Controlled Demolitions Inc.
 Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat
 Counterterrorism and Security Group
 CTL Engineering
 D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.
 DeSimone Consulting Engineers
 Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners
 DiSalvo Ericson Engineering
 District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
 DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon
 D'Onofrio Construction
 E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews
 Edwards and Kelcey Engineering
 Engineering Systems, Inc.
 Environmental protection Agency
 Exponent Failure Analysis Associates
 EYP Mission CriticalFacilities
 Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
 Falcon 20 crew in PA
 Family members who received calls from victims on the planes
 FBI Evidence Recovery Teams
 Federal Aviation Administration
 Federal Bureau of Investigation
 Federal Emergency Management Agency
 Federal Insurance Co.
 FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1
 FEMA Disaster Field Office
 FEMA Emergency Response Team
 FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3
 Fire Department of New York
 Fort Myer Fire Department
 Fourteen teams of search dogs from Oregon
 French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force
 Friedens Volunteer Fire Department
 Gateway Demolition
 Gene Code Forensics
 Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.
 Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP
 GMAC Financing
 Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers
 Guy Nordenson Associates
 HAKS Engineers
 Hampton-Clarke Inc.
 HHS National Medical Response Team
 HLW International Engineering
 Hooversville Rescue Squad.
 Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department
 Hoy Structural Services
 Hughes Associates, Inc
 Hugo Neu Schnitzer East
 hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC
 Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives
 Industrial Risk Insurers
 Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems
 International Association of Fire Chiefs
 International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15
 J.R. Harris & Company
 Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.
 KCE Structural Engineers
 Koch Skanska
 Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates
 Laboratory Corp. of America
 Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
 Leslie E. Robertson Associates
 LIRo Engineering
 Listie Volunteer Fire Company
 Lockwood Consulting
 M.G. McLaren Engineering
 Masonry Society
 Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.
 Metal Management Northeast
 Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
 Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue
 Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
 Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
 Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
 Murray Engineering
 Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.
 National Center for Biotechnology Informatics
 National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
 National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
 National Disaster Medical System
 National Emergency Numbering Association
 National Fire Protection Association
 National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania
 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
 National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute
 National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
 National Military Command Center
 National Reconnaissance Office
 National Response Center
 National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems
 National Security Agency
 National Transportation Safety Board
 National Wrecking
 Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center
 New Jersey State Police
 New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force
 New York City Department of Design and Construction
 New York City Department of Environmental Protection
 New York City Office of Emergency Management
 New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
 New York City Police Department Aviation Unit
 New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
 New York Daily News
 New York Flight Control Center
 New York Newsday
 New York Port Authority Construction Board
 New York Port Authority Police
 New York State Emergency Management Office
 New York State Police Forensic Services
 New York Times
 North American Aerospace Defense Command
 Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew
 Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs
 Numerous Forensic Anthropologists
 Numerous Forensic Dentists
 Numerous Forensic Pathologists
 Numerous Forensic Radiologists
 NuStats
 Occupational Safety and Health Administration
 Office of Emergency Preparedness
 Office of Strategic Services
 Orchid Cellmark
 Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering
 Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
 Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services
 Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
 Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association
 Pennsylvania State Police
 Pentagon Defense Protective Service
 Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team
 Pentagon Medical Staff
 Pentagon Renovation Team
 Phillips & Jordan, Inc.
 Port of New York and New Jersey Authority
 Pro-Safety Services
 Protec
 Public Entity Risk Institute
 Purdue University Engineering Dept.
 Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers
 Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc
 Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers
 Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity
 SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams
 SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams
 Salvation Army Disaster Services
 several EPA Hazmat Teams
 several FBI Hazmat Teams
 several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
 several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams
 Severud Associates Consulting Engineers
 Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company
 Silverstein Properties
 Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers
 Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
 Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire
 Society of Fire Protection Engineers
 Somerset Ambulance Association
 Somerset County Coroner's Office
 Somerset County Emergency Management Agency
 Somerset Volunteer Fire Department
 St. Paul/Travelers Insurance
 State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
 Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company
 Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
 Structural Engineers Association of New York
 Superstructures Engineering
 Swiss Re America Insurance
 Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
 Teng & Associates
 Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.
 TIG Insurance
 Tokio Marine & Fire
 Transportation Safety Administration
 Tully Construction
 Twin City Fire Insurance
 Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering
 U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
 Underwriters Laboratories
 Union Wrecking
 United Airlines
 United States Air National Guard
 United States Fire Administration
 United States Secret Service
 United Steelworkers of America
 University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research
 US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County
 US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command
 US Department of Defense
 US Department of Justice
 US Department of State
 Virginia Beach Fire Department
 Virginia Department of Emergency Management
 Virginia State Police
 Vollmer Associates Engineers
 Washington Post
 Weeks Marine
 Weidlinger Associates
 Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering
 Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
 Whitney Contracting
 Willis Group Holdings
 WJE Structural Engineers
 Worcester Polytechnic Institute
 World Trade Center security staff
 XL Insurance
 Yonkers Contracting
 York International
 Zurich Financial
 Zurich Re Risk Engineering
 9/11 Commission & Staff
 The Congressional Joint Inquiry on 9/11
 Zacharias Moussaoui Prosecution Team


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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2016, 02:07:41 PM »
Well, if this is about myths and mythology, i have something interesting for you:

"In August this year I received a note requesting advice on a new project. As the project in question was rather unique in scope – dealing as it did with founding a new religious order or church – the signatories of the note requested that I preserve their anonymity should I decide to report on their activities. Doing so would be quite welcome, though, “to gain first insights into the potential reach of such a project.” The note continued:

“Now that almost 15 years have passed and the crimes of September 11, 2001, have yet to be prosecuted or the true perpetrators and instigators of the crime identified and named, investigations that deserve that name cannot be expected to happen for decades yet. As understandable and as legitimate as it may be to continue demanding the truth about 9/11 and for a decent crime investigation into the gruesome mass murder that happened on that day, it is unfortunately just as illusory and unrealistic to expect the demands to be met in real life. Given that the official legends promulgated by governments and media alike are thus going to continue to stand as truths, realpolitik tells us that rational arguments are no longer any use against them. Wherever legends have become official “true history” and have been declared state creeds on which governments base their power politics, rational critique has become obsolete.

It is for these reasons that we propose to found a new creed that states clearly its unshakable belief in the official stories of 9/11 and which celebrates the miraculous promotion of these myths to the ranks of solidly governmentally verified truths. As this involves in part violations of the laws of nature and statistics as well as those of logic or common sense, we have decided on a working title of “Church of Free Fall” for our project. We are working to achieve official recognition as a religious order for the “C. o. F. F.”. The C.o.F.F. – despite originating as a secular “knowledge community” -has its very own founding myths and miracles that are in no way inferior to those of established churches, as its Credo as attached below amply demonstrates. The Credo has been adopted officially by the International Section of the preliminary C.o.F.F. Episcopate, to serve as a firm foundation of the religious community.
Further extensions of the Credo, including additional fundamental beliefs, dogmas, and rituals, are currently under development. The C.o.F.F. Credo bows to a realpolitik of war, observation, and “security” that has arisen from the dust and ashes of the WTC towers. The C.o.F.F. replaces strength-by-refusal with the joy of affirmation, celebrates the insanity of reality as well as the truly just Great War on Terror. Instead of fighting its enemies, the C.o.F.F. embraces its enemy in a stranglehold. You are welcome to publish our manifest.”

Which I will do forthwith:

 

We trust in the one suitcase of 200

Which got left at the gate

And which revealed all the proof

We might ever have needed:

Teaching videos on how to fly a Boeing plane,

Instructions for airplane hijackers,

A Hamburg, Germany, registration form,

A diploma granted by the Technical University of Hamburg,

And the Final Will and Testament of Mohammed Atta,

The “Leader” of the hijackers.

We believe

That that man wished to carry his testament

With him onto his suicide mission,

Just in case his deadly flight

Failed to end in an enormous ball of fire.

Or because he figured

His testament naturally indestructible,

Just like the passport of his fellow hijacker Al Sugami

That was discovered unscathed next to the WTC.

We believe

That two airplanes are able to

Bring down three skyscrapers

The first time ever in the history of construction

That steel framed skyscrapers became

Pulverized by burgeoning fires alone,

While a plastic-and-paper passport

Is able to survive the inferno unscathed.

We believe

In the Free Fall

In which burning office furniture

Brought down WTC7 so fast

That the BBC was able to report it

20 minutes beforehand.

We believe

That Hani Hanjour might have been bad at flying small aircraft,

Bad enough for the rental agency to refuse to rent him a Cessna,

But that he did succeed in hitting the Pentagon

From behind at ten feet above the ground

Descending with a jumbo jet at 500 mph

In an ingenious curve around the building.

We believe

That he did not just keep on flying straight

Into the offices of the Pentagon Chiefs

Because he wished to make air navigation history

Through an ingenious maneuver taking him

“Once around the most highly secured building of the world”

Along with aces of the air like the Red Baron before him.

We believe

That the total absence of an air defense

Not just above the Pentagon

But above the entire U.S. air space

Had nothing whatsoever to do

With the “war games” that

Were taking place that morning.

We believe

That “nobody could ever have imagined

That terrorists would ever fly a hijacked plane into a building” (CONDOLEZZA RICE)

Despite the fact that these war games

Were using as a war scenario precisely what was happening that day,

Namely the hijacking of passenger airplanes.

We believe

That Osama Bin Laden masterminded this

“Surprise attack” from a cave in Afghanistan

Even when the FBI announces it has no proof of his complicity in the attack,

And even when he himself refused to take any credit whatsoever for

Taking part in that particular act of terror

In his first interview after, on Sept. 18, 2001.

We believe

That he and his 19 “hijackers”, armed with nothing but box cutters,

Were solely responsible for succeeding in this attack,

Despite the fact that due to totally bogus visas

15 of them would never even have reached U.S. soil

Had not the U.S. Consulate in Jidda, Saudi Arabia,

Simply waved through the lot of them.

We believe

That the CIA never had any idea of this

Even if a visa official of that consulate,

Michael Springman, became a whistleblower

Because his office was constantly being used

To funnel suspicious Arab “freedom fighters”

Into the U.S.A.

We believe

That the Saudi security service had no idea either

And that it was purely as an act of charity

That the “terror logistics expert” Al Midhar

And his colleague Al Hazmi received

Monthly stipends from the wife of Royal Ambassador to the U.S.,

Prince Bandar, during their stay in San Diego.

We believe

That the Pakistani secret service had nothing to do with 9/11 either,

Whose chief, General Ahmad, was having breakfast in Washington on 9/11

With the heads of the secret service oversight committees of

House and Senate, Bob Graham and Porter Goss,

And who shortly after resigned without a word

When word got out that his secret agent Omar Saeed Sheikh

Transferred 100,000 U.S. Dollars of funds to Mohammed Atta.

We believe

That neither was Israel’s Mossad involved

Even if five of its agents were arrested in New York City

Filming themselves triumphing and showing victory signs

With the WTC towers burning in the background

Only to claim on a TV talk show in their home country,

Where they had quietly been deported to,

They had been in New York City “to document the events”.

We believe

That it was simply a hugely unlucky chain of events

That all these ever vigilant secret services “failed” their duties

And a truly unlucky chain of unlucky events that enabled

Osama and his 19 box cutter wielding hijackers

To pulverize three skyscrapers all by themselves

And to murder 3000 people.

We believe

In George W. Bush’s warning to the United Nations General Assembly:

“We must speak the truth about terror.

Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories

concerning the attacks of September the 11th;

malicious lies that attempt

to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves,

away from the guilty.” ( <http://www.state.gov/p/io/potusunga/207556.htm> )

We believe

That only malicious liars, outrageous conspiracy theorists,

Intolerable anti-Semites and notorious anti-Americans,

Enemies of freedom and friends of terrorism

Can deny the truths of the 9/11 Commission’s Final Report

After all, it includes the undeniable confessions of an accomplice

By the name of Khalid Sheikh Mohamed.

We believe

In the truth of these confessions

Even if they were extracted in 182 torture sessions

During which the prisoner was subjected to waterboarding

Because only malicious heretics and crazy conspiracy theorists

Who also believe in aliens from outer space or who have been infested by the devil

Would question the investigations into 9/11

Or much less request a completely new re-investigation.

We believe

In our democratic media of repute

Who recognize the divisive poison in these doubts

And pillory those who heinously try to spread it

To strengthen the belief of our Brothers and Sisters

In the Holy Script of the 9/11 Report

And in our governing bodies that proclaim it

In defense of our freedom and security.

Let us therefore pray:

Our 9/11

Thou camest from out of the blue sky

Hallowed be thy name

Thy GWOT* has come

Whose will be done

With drones in the heavens

As it is with wars on Earth.

Give us this day our daily budgets

(the fall of the Soviet Union had put those very much in question, after all)

And never forgive a terrorist

As thy GWOT* just keeps on

Creating new ones daily

And lead us not into temptation

To deliver ourselves from the evils of a war

Without end and without an end,

For thine is the imperial kingdom

And the military power

And “Full Spectrum Dominance”

For ever

Amen.

*Great War On Terror

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Re: Dumb 'Urban Myths' that some regard as fact...
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2016, 03:18:48 PM »
Thanks cthulhu.
CTs were always faith based.

Edit:
Seriously though, 9/11 truthers peaked in 2006, which just happened to be around the time when youtube really took off.  This was not a coincidence, as it was a major catalyst for all that manipulated information, (often with scary music just to reinforce the point).

Ever known youtube to be a good source of scientific evidence? Me neither.

Now, 10 years later, the 9/11 truthers are a tiny number, as their pet ideas have been taken apart so many times. People eventually realise how none of it actually has any substance, and any actual evidence just isn't there. Nothing in your post is actually new. Its been debunked before, again and again.

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