Do not tell me to vote Labour

[Valleyman]

How disapointing my favourite band says do not vote Conservative. I will and if you don't then I guess you will never read the letters I send from the valleys of Black and Grey. C'mon NMA they are all as bad as one other.

[Pol]

come on vallyman , vote for the fckin tories are you kiddin , have you been livin on another planet. if you agree with the nhs been destroyed , the bedroom tax, disability benefits cuts ( mobility cars removed from workin people) , workin tax credits cut , the massive increase in foodbanks, the potential pension cuts. not to mention the rise of the right wing . police cuts , care cuts n thats just the start.
if thats want you vote for and believe in your listenin to the wrong band and on the wrong forum.

ps didnt see anyone sayin vote labour , i didnt

[Valleyman]

OK, the implication was not to vote Conservative. But thanks to NMA I left the valleys of Green and Grey, just don't tell me what to do.

[Master Ray]

The NMA folks are perfectly entitled to express their views.  You want to vote Conservative, great!

Have you come here from the NMA Facebook page?  I only ask because I hear it's kicking off over there.  Why not become a regular member over here? It's a lot more even-tempered and respectful of others beliefs.   

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Nobody told you what to do. A bunch of guys shared their opinion, just like many many people over the last 7 weeks. How you take that opinion is entirely your decision.  But how you can be surprised at where that opinion lies is quite frankly astonishing.

[peternotbaldyet]

Vote conservative!?? I'd rather eat my own head.

[ldopas]

NMA were only sharing an opinion. But on this board you will get little sympathy as most here, not me though, are left wing. So don't be surprised if they get tetchy with your comment.

Me, I voted Lib Dem. Both the Tories with their pompous attitude and u-turns and Labour with their ludicrous economy busting santa claus giveaway to students were not options to me if we want to move forward. The Lib Dems at least were honest about raising tax 1p across the board and were backed by many financial experts, whereas the other two parties manifestos were a financial joke. If I ran my business finances like the Tories I would be bust, and if I ran it like Labour I would probably be in jail for owing millions.

And now we are left with a piss weak government going into Brexit and Labour talking about some sort of left wing dawn when they got less seats than Neil Kinnock did. It is sad and worrying.

[lotus]

Some weeks ago I went to a vote for a part of germany - to vote tactical
easier (or not) , only 2 major ones, 2 smaller ones, 1 minority, one perhaps you call right wing -
Seems we get a mix of you may lable as conservative, green and lib dem - not my dream, but not really bad and with some fights stable for the next 4 years ...
Next voting here for germany - I don`t know, what will happen in some month and what is best to vote tactical ....

But your UK voting and results - I don`t know nothing - good, bad? I only know, I don`t want a brext!
Beeing a menber with special rights fighting for deals is better to fight for special deals beeing no longer a member me thinks - so many days of wasted menpower to go back , not used to create the future 

[MARKXE]

NMA were only sharing an opinion. But on this board you will get little sympathy as most here, not me though, are left wing. So don't be surprised if they get tetchy with your comment.

Me, I voted Lib Dem. Both the Tories with their pompous attitude and u-turns and Labour with their ludicrous economy busting santa claus giveaway to students were not options to me if we want to move forward. The Lib Dems at least were honest about raising tax 1p across the board and were backed by many financial experts, whereas the other two parties manifestos were a financial joke. If I ran my business finances like the Tories I would be bust, and if I ran it like Labour I would probably be in jail for owing millions.

And now we are left with a piss weak government going into Brexit and Labour talking about some sort of left wing dawn when they got less seats than Neil Kinnock did. It is sad and worrying.

Nail on the head right there ,
I come from a small pit village in the Northeast (live in Germany now) I hate the Tories with a passion but the last two Labour leaders have been absoloute tits. Milliband I just wanted to punch in the face and Corbyn a joke with his fantasy economic plans and his past record, as an ex soldier how could I vote for him, for example.

Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
And the fact that Dianne Abbott  and McDonnell would be in positions of power made Labour for me totally unelectable.

May siding with the DUP is a joke and her days are numbered the knives have already been sharpened. What an absoloute cluster.
Anyway two sure ways to upset people Politics and Religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhmBfHFsq4I

Everybody gets what nobody wants


Love and peace people.

[MARKXE]

A bit of light hearted Sunday reading. 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn

[Simon73]

this has nothing to do with music put the post soemwhere else.
for the rest **** the conservatives and too often all the others too and all the nazi scum of humanitty all.

[Rusco]

Green.

[Simon73]

A bit of light hearted Sunday reading. 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn

i personally stand with people who struggle for their own indipendence and life as the catalans basque irish palestinians etc. that said I do not stand nor justify terrorism whatever it comes from. except if it has pure and only military targets. that means it is a war or something and not targeting civilians. One must understnd the deep reasons why people act in certain ways. what brings a young palestinian to attack with a knife a fully armed IDF soldier or even a police car? it just desperation at max level and not seeing a way out. that just not justify IRA or others it is just to say that at different levels one must understand why people struggle. in some cases because of occupation and not being able to live a decent life.

[ldopas]

A bit of light hearted Sunday reading. 

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn

i personally stand with people who struggle for their own indipendence and life as the catalans basque irish palestinians etc. that said I do not stand nor justify terrorism whatever it comes from. except if it has pure and only military targets. that means it is a war or something and not targeting civilians. One must understnd the deep reasons why people act in certain ways. what brings a young palestinian to attack with a knife a fully armed IDF soldier or even a police car? it just desperation at max level and not seeing a way out. that just not justify IRA or others it is just to say that at different levels one must understand why people struggle. in some cases because of occupation and not being able to live a decent life.

That is all fine, but it is a lot more complex than that. You, for example, cite the Irish. But it wasn't "the Irish", they already have their own independent country. It was a minority of people living in Northern Ireland who wanted to be Irish, the majority wanted to be British. so what do you do there? Trample over the rights of the majority to give the minority what they want, if you do then that is not democratic or indeed morally right?

You also mention the Palestinians, but they are also independent already. The issue is between the Israelis who encroach on allegedly (and this is massively complex) Palestinian land but have to put up with the Palestinians lobbing missiles into Israel and killing Jews versus the Israelis military might and their seizing land. It is a clusterf*ck and never easy to unravel.

You mention desperation. Well in many cases that "desperation" is due to the fact that these people cannot get their views enacted because the majority does not want it. IE Democracy. Real desperation to me is the people of, for example, Sierra Leone who are starving and dying en mass due to no food and water.