Who is pulling some of the official NMA videos down from youtube?

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To whomever can answer this question  and/or  is able of rectifying this matter...

Is EMI    (or some other person/group) removing some of the original, official NMA videos from YouTube?  I am no longer able to find either of the following promos...

1.  White Coats
2.  Stupid Questions
3.  Green and Grey
4.  Get Me Out
5.  Vagabonds

If anyone else has noticed others gone missing, please jump in and say which. 

Also missing is a wonderful interview Mr. Sullivan did back in 1998 for Amercia's NBC station.  What's happening.  None of these videos were offensive, so am confused as to why they've been pulled and by whom.

A look into this matter by the band / management / record label representative, would be genuinely appreciated.

Thank you.

[Pol]

Maybe it's part of the European article 13 that's due to be fully passed this year, that in my opinion will destroy the internet, the great firewall of China ain't got nothing on this

[cthulhu]

For the ones, like myself, who don't know about article 13, i found this:

Article 13 approved: What are the EU copyright law amendments?
Politics
Critics of Article 13, the proposed EU directive on copyright, warned that it could censor internet users
Article 13, and its sibling Article 11, are contentious pieces of EU copyright law that, opponents claim, could destroy the internet as we know it. It's been referred to as the "meme ban", as well as censorship. However its supporters say it's necessary to support creatives online.

In September 2017 the European Parliament voted on – and approved – an amended version of the EU copyright law that was rejected by the same body in July of this year.

The divisive legislation was put to the ultimate democratic test in Strasbourg, with 438 voting in favour of the measures, 226 voting against and 39 abstaining.

The proposed changes have split opinions, with proponents of reform including many notable musicians and artists, such as Wyclef Jean, who made an appearance in Strasbourg today. Opponents of the legislation include websites and internet presences who claim the laws will mark the end of "meme" culture and user-generated content.

As for the immediate future, nothing's going to change yet. State leaders within the EU still need to sanction the changes before individual countries start hashing out the legal minutiae of the change.

A particular point of contention is Article 13, which, were it to come to fruition, would make platforms like YouTube liable for copyrighted material. As such, platforms would require agreements with content producers (or whoever owns the rights to the music, film or television being shared).

YouTube has taken a particularly vocal stance against the proposed change, with the firm's CEO Susan Wojcicki taking to Twitter to voice her stance: "Article 13 could put the creative economy of creators and artists around the world at risk," she propounded.

Another troubling section is Article 11, known as the "link tax", which would require publishers and aggregate sites to pay a tax to sites to whom they link. This would mean Google would need to pay to list news stories and other websites on its search engine - a prospect it is definitely not very keen on.

Back in July, the European Parliament voted to reject a new copyright directive, which included the particularly controversial Article 13. The proposed law was rejected by 318 votes to 278, with 31 abstentions. The EU's copyright reforms are being debated this month, giving policymakers more room to hone the legal framework around copyrighted content in the internet age. 
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https://www.alphr.com/politics/1009470/article-13-eu-what-is-it-copyright

And i was just about to upload some of my early works to youtube, and of course i used third party material, music, images.
when i remember, in the 80's it was all about copying and sharing the media you like. working on mix-tapes for girlfriends or friends, copying the latest movie you had to see, from an unknown source, etc..
 
wake me in a thousand years!

[lotus]

Aren`t that the vids as a part of the video collection "Historie"?
https://www.discogs.com/New-Model-Army-History-The-Videos-85-90/release/523756

Sometimes videos aren´t deleted, but you have to test other or more keywords or the the link is listed on page 225 

But if there was only one link to perhaps a private server/cloud that is no longer online :-(

[lotus]

https://www.discogs.com/New-Model-Army-Anthology-1980-2010/release/8541096
DVD 1 of the box-set

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Maybe it's part of the European article 13 that's due to be fully passed this year, that in my opinion will destroy the internet, the great firewall of China ain't got nothing on this

For the ones, like myself, who don't know about article 13, i found this:

Article 13 approved: What are the EU copyright law amendments?
Politics
Critics of Article 13, the proposed EU directive on copyright, warned that it could censor internet users
Article 13, and its sibling Article 11, are contentious pieces of EU copyright law that, opponents claim, could destroy the internet as we know it. It's been referred to as the "meme ban", as well as censorship. However its supporters say it's necessary to support creatives online.

In September 2017 the European Parliament voted on – and approved – an amended version of the EU copyright law that was rejected by the same body in July of this year.

The divisive legislation was put to the ultimate democratic test in Strasbourg, with 438 voting in favour of the measures, 226 voting against and 39 abstaining.

The proposed changes have split opinions, with proponents of reform including many notable musicians and artists, such as Wyclef Jean, who made an appearance in Strasbourg today. Opponents of the legislation include websites and internet presences who claim the laws will mark the end of "meme" culture and user-generated content.

As for the immediate future, nothing's going to change yet. State leaders within the EU still need to sanction the changes before individual countries start hashing out the legal minutiae of the change.

A particular point of contention is Article 13, which, were it to come to fruition, would make platforms like YouTube liable for copyrighted material. As such, platforms would require agreements with content producers (or whoever owns the rights to the music, film or television being shared).

YouTube has taken a particularly vocal stance against the proposed change, with the firm's CEO Susan Wojcicki taking to Twitter to voice her stance: "Article 13 could put the creative economy of creators and artists around the world at risk," she propounded.

Another troubling section is Article 11, known as the "link tax", which would require publishers and aggregate sites to pay a tax to sites to whom they link. This would mean Google would need to pay to list news stories and other websites on its search engine - a prospect it is definitely not very keen on.

Back in July, the European Parliament voted to reject a new copyright directive, which included the particularly controversial Article 13. The proposed law was rejected by 318 votes to 278, with 31 abstentions. The EU's copyright reforms are being debated this month, giving policymakers more room to hone the legal framework around copyrighted content in the internet age.
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https://www.alphr.com/politics/1009470/article-13-eu-what-is-it-copyright

I had no idea about any of this.      Thanks for enlightening me Pol, cthulhu.

And i was just about to upload some of my early works to youtube, and of course i used third party material, music, images.

Cthulhu, do your early works revolve around music?  Specifically, NMA/JS' music?  If so, I would've loved to have seen your efforts. 

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Aren`t that the vids as a part of the video collection "Historie"?  https://www.discogs.com/New-Model-Army-History-The-Videos-85-90/release/523756

Yes lotus, they're the same ones. 

Sometimes videos aren´t deleted, but you have to test other or more keywords or the the link is listed on page 225 

lol, you noticed that too!    Makes things so frustrating, when people don't tag their videos properly.  Still, I'm elated when I do find wonderful clips... rare gold, treasure.

[cthulhu]

if you're interested, there are still some vids from my old channel there:

a video shot in iceland with nma - wipeout as soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaOB2owPICs&t=11s

a video to gwar - war party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMdiclNT-oY&t=98s
 
and on my new account from noatv lights go out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8usONISts&t=23s


and i've just uploaded to my new account a very old experiment. GTA3 vs. Evildead- Gone Shooting
think this will go soon..
https://youtu.be/sqPr05txU84

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if you're interested, there are still some vids from my old channel...  a video shot in iceland  nma - "wipeout"  as soundtrack.

You lucky bastard!      You've been to ICELAND!  I have a good friend who's been there twice and has seriously fallen for everything about the place... lol, the sights, hot springs, women, culture... so much so, that they've even contemplated moving there, permanently. 

Wow!!  What a remarkable, incredible video of   'the land of the ice and snow, from the midnight sun, where the hot springs flow... ah-ah-ah-ahh'.   Cthulhu / Klaus, (I don't even know how to properly address you anymore, lol, please clarify)  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, petition New Model Army to have this magnificent effort adopted as an official NMA video.  Dead serious Klaus, it's far better than some of the of the other fan-made videos that NMA actually have links to via their official YouTube channel / web page.  Have you ever asked them if they could adopt it?  They adopted the "Drifts" video, maybe they will do this one also.  It fits NMA's  "Wipe Out"  really, really well.  Oh, ask them, ask them, ask them... what's the worst they can say... "No / Sorry".  Please let us know.   

a video to gwar…

Yeah, couldn't stomach the Gwar video... had to stop watching mid-way through.  The visuals are far to graphic for me, my liking.  I've never been a fan of Gwar, war, or anyone/thing suffering or anything too blood-guts-gore-ish.   Not even in/on film.  Sorry.   

and   noatv  "lights go out"

Ordered my tickets to all three of those days, well before the event, but couldn't go due to serious illness in my family.  My dad's dying.  I'm very much a family kind of person, even domestic creature of sorts... so I couldn't bring myself to leave him... even after everything he's done, I still love him.  Good or bad, in the end he's still, my dad. 

I've actually seen this video a while ago, before ever having spoken to you here.  I had even favourited it.  It's really nice to finally put a name to a moniker, genuine talent, fellow NMA lover.  Even though I didn't get to be there, in person, those 3 special days, your video makes me almost feel like I had... especially all the external shots of the venue, and queueing NMA aficionados.  Thanks for giving those of us, all over the world - who were unable to attend  Night of a Thousand Voices  a sparkling glimpse into a bit of all we missed.   

uploaded a very old experiment. GTA3 vs. Evildead- Gone Shooting...

Yeah, had to stop watching 'round the 2 minute mark... bombing stuff, gun culture, and the like(s), is/are a total turn-off to/for me.  Sorry. 

[cthulhu]

well 8, thank you for your enthusiasm!
maybe i should have warned you about the gwar vid, it is gruesome, i had a nervous breakdown myself while making it, but that what it is about. when someone is advocating war as a solution to a problem, like bringing democracy elsewhere, freeing people from dictators, whatever...war is always about the dying of innocent people. and children. but thanks for your reply and opinion.

My friend married in iceland and opened a diving school. (dive.is, check it out) it was after the marriage, that we traveled with about 40 people from the wedding for 10 days through island and iceland is all that your friend said. th elast time is was there for like 7 weeks, as a chef cooking for traveler-groups on camping sites, so i was in a tent for about 6 weeks in different places. man, this was an experience!

i'm so sorry to hear about your story, the hints you gave, about your father and that you couldn't attend the noatv!
you should get a copy of the marvellous cd/dvd edition, though..

you seem to be a sensible person, so i hope you didn't see too much of the things that upset you in my vids. i feel like a disturbed creature, watching horror and violent movies since i was very young and graphic images don't touch me anymore as they used to.

but i will cry when listening to carlisle road...

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My friend married in iceland and opened a diving school. (dive.is, check it out) it was after the marriage, that we traveled with about 40 people from the wedding for 10 days through island and iceland is all that your friend said. the last time I was there for like 7 weeks, as a chef cooking for traveler-groups on camping sites, so i was in a tent for about 6 weeks in different places. man, this was an experience!

How impressive.    Hopefully the experience was an enriching, memorable, fantastic, and positive one! 

Klaus / Cthulhu, at any point during either of those trips to Iceland, did you get to personally check out the local music scene?  How about music venues... catch any foreign acts while you were there?  I'd love to know    if you don't mind talking about it.

I've often wondered how long it's going to be before NMA finally get to play a gig in Iceland... that'd be fcukin' amazing!  Especially if they do outdoor gigs there... can you imagine?  It'd be something to behold, I'm sure.  Who knows, maybe they'll get there within the next 5 years.  I wonder if any of any of them... Justin, Michael, Dean, Marshall, Cery have already visited Iceland, outside of musical reasons.  Who knows, maybe they've had a lay-over flight from somewhere for a day or two, just enough to get a feel for and of the place.  We'll never know.   

you should get a copy of the marvellous cd/dvd edition

Are you kidding... I very much intend to!    I'm just strapped for cash right now, due to a shitload of different reasons, that I've got to hold off for a bit.  If it ends up selling out, in the online shop, I pray it gets restocked... because they didn't say that it was a limited release.  It's not a limited release situation is it?  I better look into that, a.s.a.p., because there are only 82 left in the official shop, as I type this post!  Was heart broken when the songbooks sold out.      What are the chances of those being restocked?

you seem to be a sensible person... hope you didn't see too much of the things that upset you in my vids.

I don't know about being sensible, per se, but I would most definitely say that I am a very sensitive creature, perhaps super / overly sensitive, even.  I feel people's anguish, turmoil, pain.  It becomes part of me.  That's something I can't ever help, ever seem to shake off.  I can spot the suffering and can immediately relate to it, to them, quite instantly.  Without ever uttering a single word, we walking wounded spot ourselves from miles away from each other.... in crowded rooms, busy streets, loaded trains, moving busses... you-name-it.  We see our tears, breaking screams and our dying selves, within one another's eyes - the vacuum(s) of our own embers-like-light, shattered spirits, broken souls.

It's humbling, but often times a tremendous curse, burden to bear, because one would've hoped, even begged / prayed that it was for better, brighter, happier reasons, that one makes a deeply profound soul connection with another living creature, be they human, animal, or what-have-you.  But life's not like that... and death's probably not like that either.  No matter the road, every fcukin' one of 'em is a hard one.  There are no easy breaks, just split second splinters of light, here and there, that ebb and flow just enough to give us hope, love, light, strength, dreams, internal peace - serenity - to keep going.

i feel like a disturbed creature

Join the club... it's a fcukin' big one, sadly.  I think it's safe to say we're all fcuked up, in some way or other, on some level or other.  I think / believe that it is crucial to reach for and hang onto whatever / whomever brings us that peace, love, shelter, kindness, forgiveness, hope, strength - of mind, body and soul.  It is imperative, if we are to go forward, thrive, overcome, survive... heal.

watching horror and violent movies since i was very young and graphic images don't touch me anymore as they used to.

You are a very fortunate individual, Cthulhu.  Some of us have just seen too much, lived through too much, that it's become impossible to ignore.  Things never strike us, until we find ourselves living it... in the midst of it.  Something I wouldn't dare wish on anyone, anywhere, ever.

but i will cry when listening to "carlisle road"...

Ohhh, I know what you mean.  sacred love...


This post was not meant to hurt anyone, anywhere, ever.  I am so terribly sorry for not being very cheerful... please forgive me... it's just really hard sometimes.

[cthulhu]

8 your posts exceed a little my understanding of the contexts due to the foreign language. but i like reading it and your thoughts behind and i guess i get 82% of it;-)

Let me explain a little my approach to graphic images in the media. i was a professional editor, i was trained in that career and it all started after watching The Evil Dead with 12 or 13 years of age. i was scared to the bones but at the same time i knew that i've seen the most creative film ever and was blown away. the camera did not only move, it flew! it flew through the woods, it flew through a door! and the sounds and the light and the special effects..so surreal disgusting schockingly-beautiful.
i then began to collect horror movies and read fangoria magazine and gorezone and always wanted to know how these things are done, which could scare me so much.
it was always important to me, to be able to look behind the curtain of the wizard of oz.
so many years later i was trained to become an editor and learned all about the technical side of a production. i worked on many sets and experienced how much of a group effort it is to produce a film.
so everytime i see a movie i also see behind the curtain and that gives me some distance but i'm not detached.
i would compare it to a doctor, who has to be somewhat distance to the pain of the patient in that way, that he has to perform without also feeling the pain.

but that doesn't apply to my war party video. that is more of a documentary and to research all the images which are described in the lyrics and watch all those atrocitys and so many dead children. i didn't want to look away and it made me really sick, i worked on that for more than a month and there was the point that i broke down crying helplessly.

when i was in iceland i didn't go to any acts or visited venues so i don't really know how this situation is over there. i think instead of playing there, they could go over there for some weeks and produce or record or work on songs. i would like to have iceland influence them more that just play there in a beautiful sourrounding.

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8 your posts exceed a little my understanding of the contexts due to the foreign language. but i like reading it and your thoughts behind and i guess i get 82% of it ;-)

Cthulhu   Your English is great!  That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for my German!    

Let me explain a little my approach to graphic images in the media.  i was a professional editor, i was trained in that career and it all started after watching The Evil Dead with 12 or 13 years of age.  i was scared to the bones but at the same time i knew that i've seen the most creative film ever and was blown away.  the camera did not only move, it flew!  it flew through the woods, it flew through a door! and the sounds and the light and the special effects..so surreal disgusting schockingly-beautiful.  i then began to collect horror movies and read fangoria magazine and gorezone and always wanted to know how these things are done, which could scare me so much.  it was always important to me, to be able to look behind the curtain of the wizard of oz.  so many years later i was trained to become an editor and learned all about the technical side of a production. i worked on many sets and experienced how much of a group effort it is to produce a film.   so everytime i see a movie i also see behind the curtain and that gives me some distance but i'm not detached.  i would compare it to a doctor, who has to be somewhat distance to the pain of the patient in that way, that he has to perform without also feeling the pain.

I totally get it now, thank you SO much for the in-depth explanation, Cthulhu. 

when i was in iceland i didn't go to any acts or visited venues so i don't really know how this situation is over there.  i think instead of playing there, they (NMA) could go over there for some weeks and produce or record or work on songs.  i would like to have iceland influence them more that just play there in a beautiful sourrounding.

What a great idea Klaus!!      I would certainly LOVE that!  How fcuking awesome would that be, eh?  Especially if NMA were to film the entire experience as well as perform as headliner, an outdoor gig.   

[cthulhu]

Cthulhu   Your English is great!  That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for my German!   

thank you! it really is due to my horror-movie obsession, because in those days it was necessary to get all the movies in their original versions, because they were censored so heavily here in germany, and of course reading those english magazines. so at leat one thing, that horror movies are really good for;-))

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Cthulhu   Your English is great!  That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for my German!   

thank you! it really is due to my horror-movie obsession, because in those days it was necessary to get all the movies in their original versions, because they were censored so heavily here in germany, and of course reading those english magazines. so at leat one thing, that horror movies are really good for;-))

lol,     I think it also paid off to live in Europe.  It's probably a fair assumption that most Europeans are more open to, and speak more than one language, no?  lol, as for me, well... I'm going to have to learn German just to find out what the heck was spoken in this interview.  To bad it wasn't in Italian or French.   How I wish people wouldn't speak over his voice.      I could listen to him 'til the cows come home.  I don't know what it is, but there's just something quite calming, soothing, comforting, magical, inspiring about it.  I love it.