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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2019, 07:58:21 PM »

Some wonderful posts here, some folks loving FH, some a bit disappointed... I've enjoyed reading them all.  I'm onto my, I dunno, sixteenth listen?  And I can confirm that I really love this album, but I suspect it will forever be one of those diversive albums in NMA's history.  Much like, for example, 'Carnival'... I spent many years regarding that one as one of NMA's lesser efforts.  Rarely listened to it, until a couple of years ago when I stuck it on for the first time in donkey's years and it immediately became a favourite.

Now I'm fully familiar with FH, certain tracks have really sprung out at me that I wasn't too keen on at first, Great Disguise and Conversation in particular.  There are very few 'bangers' (as I believe them young people call them these days  ;D) but there are some very catchy tunes here.  Ones that I suspect will go down better when you hear them live in a sweaty and appreciative audience.  I can think of a few tunes that I never quite 'got' until I heard them played live...   ;)

And if anyone still thinks 'it's just crap compared to the old stuff'... fair enough!  You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it.  Truly.  But we can all name those bands who just recycle the old stuff, over and over again, to ever-decreasing results in the hope of hanging onto their dwindling audience.  NMA are better than that.  There are some damn fine songs here.  Would any of those folks prefer 12 songs that sound like deeply inferior versions of Vagabonds, Green And Grey and No Rest?  Or a band who try new stuff and say 'what the heck, let's see what people make of it?'

I really like FH, hope others who aren't too keen come to feel the same way.  If not, hey, maybe the next album will be more to your taste!  Because FH sounds like a band with quite a bit more petrol in the tank, if you know what I mean.   ;)



 

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2019, 11:43:58 AM »
Ok. Im now several more listens in. I still think this is a bloody good album, but it took a while to get it. There are parts of some songs I dont like. In particular the chorus of Hard Way. It grates on me a bit. On the flip, I love the chorus in Great Disguise. Just not over keen on the opening guitar bit. Not over keen on Passing Through but its ok. However I bloody love Conversation, Where I Am and Watch and Learn which some here dont like. Pretty much the usual pattern with me, takes me a few listens to get it and then I work out what I like and dont. I think these are gonna be fantastic live
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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2019, 11:57:49 AM »
Sounds great in my car.

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2019, 12:45:11 PM »
Got these words today:

Out for delivery
Arriving today by 9 PM


Yeah!!!!
I can't wait to get it, look at the artwork, read the liner notes....then put it on my shelf and save it so I can listen to it years from now.

I still have not given "Winter" a listen, but I did recently give "Between Wine And Blood" a listen (took exactly five years to do that). The songs you guys and gals went nuts over - "Angry Planet" and "Devil's Bargain" - were nothing special at all. But "Happy To Be Here"....oooooh, that's a great one.




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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2019, 01:14:03 PM »
However I bloody love Conversation

i agree!

"Happy To Be Here"....oooooh, that's a great one.

Wonderful song indeed, one of NMA's best in the last 5 years...and again, JS in "Navigating by the stars" mood: 8)

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2019, 02:01:53 PM »

Wonderful song indeed, one of NMA's best in the last 5 years...and again, JS in "Navigating by the stars" mood: 8)
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I guess I should buy that "Navigating By Stars." I never bought it because I think it is all acoustic (and Justin's NMA only voice/acoustic songs I find dreadful) and I don't like when band guys go solo. Hey, if the song is that good it would be used for the band, so I feel a solo project is just the remnants...the weak songs that don't make the cut for the band's album.


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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2019, 03:33:53 PM »

I guess I should buy that "Navigating By Stars." I never bought it because I think it is all acoustic (and Justin's NMA only voice/acoustic songs I find dreadful) and I don't like when band guys go solo. Hey, if the song is that good it would be used for the band, so I feel a solo project is just the remnants...the weak songs that don't make the cut for the band's album.

Wow, you can't have much faith in Justin if you think he would put out an album in his own name, of songs too weak to be NMA songs !
You really should get it. NBTS is a beautifully crafted album that stands in its own right. It's separate from, but compliments the New Model Army catalogue.

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2019, 06:41:30 PM »
NBTS is a beautifully crafted album that stands in its own right. It's separate from, but compliments the New Model Army catalogue.

What you said!

I love this album as much and maybe more than "Thunder and consolation" or "The ghost of Cain"!
"Ocean rising", "Sentry", "Navigating by the stars", "Home", Changing of the light", "Tales of the road"...wonderful songs...it's a kind of desert island album, really.

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2019, 07:26:20 PM »
And if anyone still thinks 'it's just crap compared to the old stuff'... fair enough!  You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it.  Truly.  But we can all name those bands who just recycle the old stuff, over and over again, to ever-decreasing results in the hope of hanging onto their dwindling audience.  NMA are better than that.  There are some damn fine songs here.  Would any of those folks prefer 12 songs that sound like deeply inferior versions of Vagabonds, Green And Grey and No Rest?  Or a band who try new stuff and say 'what the heck, let's see what people make of it?'
I really like FH, hope others who aren't too keen come to feel the same way.  If not, hey, maybe the next album will be more to your taste!  Because FH sounds like a band with quite a bit more petrol in the tank, if you know what I mean.   ;)

I hope you were not referring to my post, Master Ray ;)

Don't get me wrong, I really liked BDAW (which was very different from the previous releases) and BWAB and IMHO Winter ranks among NMA's best albums.
I do not say that FH is a "bad record", it's just that it does not "grab me".

Whatever, as you said there's always the next record :)

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2019, 08:01:35 PM »

Wow, you can't have much faith in Justin if you think he would put out an album in his own name, of songs too weak to be NMA songs !

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It's not that I lack faith in Justin, it's rather I understand how solo albums work. Do you think any solo albums by, say, John Lennon or Paul McCartney are as good as any of their band's albums? Of course not. A band dynamic makes the songs better. Take a classic New Model Army song like "Ambition" - credited to Sullivan alone. But don't you think Heaton and Morrow contributed parts that made that song a thousand times better?

Solo projects NEVER live up to the works of the band that artist is currently in. Sure, a guy can leave a band and go solo and have great artistic success (Peter Gabriel for instance), but any solo project while the band still exists is just a weaker effort. The songs would have been better with the band members' contributions. "Ambition" is a brilliant song because of Rob Heaton's and Stuart Morrow's contributions. A guy taking a break from his band to do a solo project is not a good thing. I shy away from them. Always end up saying, "Man, these songs would have been better with the band."
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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2019, 09:13:27 PM »
And if anyone still thinks 'it's just crap compared to the old stuff'... fair enough!  You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it.  Truly.  But we can all name those bands who just recycle the old stuff, over and over again, to ever-decreasing results in the hope of hanging onto their dwindling audience.  NMA are better than that.  There are some damn fine songs here.  Would any of those folks prefer 12 songs that sound like deeply inferior versions of Vagabonds, Green And Grey and No Rest?  Or a band who try new stuff and say 'what the heck, let's see what people make of it?'
I really like FH, hope others who aren't too keen come to feel the same way.  If not, hey, maybe the next album will be more to your taste!  Because FH sounds like a band with quite a bit more petrol in the tank, if you know what I mean.   ;)

I hope you were not referring to my post, Master Ray ;)

Don't get me wrong, I really liked BDAW (which was very different from the previous releases) and BWAB and IMHO Winter ranks among NMA's best albums.
I do not say that FH is a "bad record", it's just that it does not "grab me".

Whatever, as you said there's always the next record :)

Not referring to you at all, buddy!  Just a comment...

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2019, 09:20:36 PM »
And if anyone still thinks 'it's just crap compared to the old stuff'... fair enough!  You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it.  Truly.  But we can all name those bands who just recycle the old stuff, over and over again, to ever-decreasing results in the hope of hanging onto their dwindling audience.  NMA are better than that.  There are some damn fine songs here.  Would any of those folks prefer 12 songs that sound like deeply inferior versions of Vagabonds, Green And Grey and No Rest?  Or a band who try new stuff and say 'what the heck, let's see what people make of it?'
I really like FH, hope others who aren't too keen come to feel the same way.  If not, hey, maybe the next album will be more to your taste!  Because FH sounds like a band with quite a bit more petrol in the tank, if you know what I mean.   ;)

I hope you were not referring to my post, Master Ray ;)

Don't get me wrong, I really liked BDAW (which was very different from the previous releases) and BWAB and IMHO Winter ranks among NMA's best albums.
I do not say that FH is a "bad record", it's just that it does not "grab me".

Whatever, as you said there's always the next record :)

Not referring to you at all, buddy!  Just a comment...

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2019, 11:46:51 AM »
Navigating By The Stars...........one of the most atmospheric/haunting/beautiful Albums ever.... 8)....

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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2019, 01:02:58 PM »

Wow, you can't have much faith in Justin if you think he would put out an album in his own name, of songs too weak to be NMA songs !



Solo projects NEVER live up to the works of the band that artist is currently in. Sure, a guy can leave a band and go solo and have great artistic success (Peter Gabriel for instance), but any solo project while the band still exists is just a weaker effort. The songs would have been better with the band members' contributions. "Ambition" is a brilliant song because of Rob Heaton's and Stuart Morrow's contributions. A guy taking a break from his band to do a solo project is not a good thing. I shy away from them. Always end up saying, "Man, these songs would have been better with the band."


I have to say that, at least for me, my wife and 3 other NMA fans that are close friends, Navigating by the Stars is even better than any NMA album. And I LOVE NMA albums. So, you know, you should probably don’t say words like « I KNOW » and « NEVER », especially when you haven’t listened to the stuff you referring too  ;)
That was just an opinion  ;)
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Re: So... the big 'From Here' thread...
« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2019, 01:19:16 PM »
, ...you know, you should probably don’t say words like « I KNOW » and « NEVER », especially when you haven’t listened to the stuff you referring too  ;)
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Ahh, one can use the words 'never' and 'know' even when I haven't listened to the stuff. Example:
I NEVER have listened to Bon Jovi's latest album, but I KNOW it is garbage.