Blimey there are some lists in this thread 
Are there any songs left not suited to orchestral treatment! FWIW I think it's probably over to Mr. White and what sounds he pulls out of the keyboards which would indicate what might best suit and I'm no musician but if arranged for orchestra maybe it'll be alternative versions of songs a la The Hunt (dark version) as opposed to straight reproductions of recorded versions and so basically who the hell knows. 
Hello Anna,
please, don't mind me. embarrassed soft lol, I get a tad bit mental when it comes to things that spark my interest... which is pretty much anything
music or NMA/JS/RSC related. Will you be there on the 17th of July then, Anna? Or either of the consecutive Berlin dates.
Hello 8 and Cthuhlu, What I wanted to say is, If JS and the band feel the need to play with an orchestra – that`s their choice I don`t need that – but perhaps I like the result My thought was – do they do that, because they feel so much underrated and to show the world, that they are real musicians? We all know – NMA/JS is so much better than the top sellers of the last 40 years! But if the band wants it just for their own fun and to see, what they are able to create and wants to share this test with fans – why not? As a fan, I still have my own will and decide, how much I love a song or a special version of the song I love – and will continue buying the next cd or dvd ...
I was genuinely confused, originally. Extremely happy you came back to elaborate, further explain what you were trying to say. Thank you very for making and taking the time to do so, lotus, much appreciated.
I can see where Lotus is coming from. I was a little skeptical myself at first but I can't see them doing a cliched 'rock symphony'. I'm actually really excited now. I think it's a way for them to reimagine some of their back catalogue in new ways. NMA are one of the least nostalgic bands of their generation. So for one year I think they are allowed to indulge a little in the past, especially if they do it in new ways.
Exactly, Johnz!
Maybe the versions of last year's JS show in Berlin give an indication of where they might take the songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw40yxLb82l
Breathtakingly gorgeous clip of
"Over The Wire" you found and linked there, Johnz!
I think the orchestral treatment is definitely going to be something similar to that, but even bigger, fuller sounding, if one can even hear, imagine or fathom it.
Perhaps that particular JS gig was a skeletal test, to see if it / the idea(s) would work, flow, come to light, as envisioned in mind.
It's official, there's going to be a FULL orchestra. So there are going to be
way more instruments, and types of instruments, added to the mix, scenario. I don't know anything about the actual venue NMA/JS chose to realise this special dream, but the big arena at the
Tempodrom looks / sounds pretty huge - holds 3,500 people, if I'm not mistaken. NMA & co. are going to need fill that massive audible space with more than the sound of a few stringed instruments and mic or two, or what-have-you.
I'm feelin' it something big, like
really BIG and full, thunderous, yet sweeping, well-rounded, sonic, melodic, incredibly dynamic, lingering, resonating, and impactful, impressionable sounding.
Ohhh, can't wait to hear it!!
My brain is just in overdrive, right now, hearing and visually picturing so many possibilities. Hope NMA/JS talk a bit about it soon-ish,
well before the event happens, as was done on NMA's official facebook page, with the NOATV project. Wish I could be there on the 17th of July, to feel the power of it resonate through me, in person, but things are pretty fcuked up for me right now. In so many ways, I'm beginning to lose count.
I've been to classical performances in person here, in the past, and let me tell you, if the acoustics in that particular venue are anything like places I've been to here, well, all you lucky devils are in for a hell of a thrill, treat, ride! Brace yourselves, 'cause
'you won't know what hit you or where it came from', really. It's going to be good,
real good.
I just hope the CD/DVD's sound mix will reflect, mirror the sound as closely as possible. I have complete faith in the technical team, NMA, everyone. Hope DVD's especially going to be; meaty=substantial, long=extended
(beyond the live performance itself), and juicy=full
(of smaller details of the technical variety, that we NMA nerdy-types hardly ever, get to see.) Thank you lotus for coming back and expressing your thoughts. I understand your thoughts and how Johnz said he was skeptical at first, but as both of you said, it had something to do with your associations of those classical rock symphonies, which never came to my mind.
Same here, Cthulhu.
I imagine this idea could have come because they know some musicians who play in the Sinfonia Orchestra and they just said: "Wouldn't it be cool to do songs together?"
Yeah, I totally believe this, as well. That, and probably the hunch that this kind of idea, has probably been swimming around, in the back of Mr.
Sullivan's mind, ever since he made that masterpiece of a debut solo album, "
Navigating By The Stars". He's gone on record in past interviews, saying he kept hearing
'a symphony' in his head, but the finished, recorded songs didn't fully realise, mirror or reflect what was going on musically, in his mind. Gave me the impression that JS wasn't satisfied with the end result of one or two, or even a few of them. I don't know why though, they're so gorgeous as they stand, but I completely understand how an artist might feel this way about something they created.
Well, there's never been a better time than now, to revisit those old thoughts, ideas, Mr.
Sullivan. It's going to be stupendous, mesmerising, magical, ethereal, beautiful, to say the very least!
I just feel it in my bones, already know it. I still feel, though, that
that entire solo album
truly deserves to be played from start to finish, in its entirety, in front of a seated, live audience. Mr.
Sullivan, please, heavily consider doing something about and for, that magnificent album too. "
Navigating By The Stars" will be celebrating its 20th (2023) and 25th (2028) anniversary in just a few short years, really soon, if you think about it. It's a diamond!! Deserves
so much more respect, love, accolades and recognition than it's been given, received, over the years -
especially by
radio, and regular folk who don't even know it's even out there, exists, or, have yet to hear it, feel it, in its entirety, for themselves.
I would go so far as to even officially re-release "
Navigating By The Stars", but with wider, better distribution, world-wide access to it. Never understood why it didn't catch on, especially over here. Maybe it wasn't plugged right, or was too hard to find, or something, I don't know the details. All I do know is that, I had to get my copy at the 2003 gig you did here in Canada, with Dean. And even then, I had no clue that the album even existed, prior to checking out the merch stall or hearing "
Ocean Rising" for the very first time, there, that night. One of the plus sides of the internet these days, easier, better access.
I love "
Navigating By The Stars" SO much, that I've contemplated sending it, out of pocket, myself, to radio stations here. Namely public radio stations, to start with, such as
CBC radio in Canada and
KEXP in Seattle, Washington. But I don't like to make a mess of things, don't like to do things without getting permission first. I remember asking for permission, over a decade ago now, but never got a reply... so I didn't for fear of causing problems, which is
not my aim, intent, ever. What I did instead, was gift those few copies to other folk, and some of them local musicians - of whom were very pleased to accept the discs and were even somewhat, if vaguely, already familiar with NMA's past works - which delighted and thrilled me to no end.
I do think that they were searching for something different to do because of the 40th, but i never thought that idea wouldn't fit their manifestation as a band and that they were like having a good marketing idea to show off. No, that's not them.
100% with you on this, also, Cthulhu. NMA are definitely not full of themselves, cocky, show-off types. There's a bit of an unexpected, unseen hidden, radiant, genuine, underlying shyness, softer side or edge to them, as well. That's one of the major factors, traits, qualities, that sets NMA apart, above and beyond the rest. Well, that's how I see them anyway, and that's a big part of the reason(s) why I love them so strongly, and as much as I do. A super fine, rare breed indeed. Stunning, gobsmacking, on
all levels. So pleased to have been put on this earth, while they were here too, even if only from thousands upon thousands upon
thousands of miles away... I still see, feel them, as though they're right here, with me, in my blood, a part of me. They always shine through. Love them
so much, and
always will.
xxxxxTo play with a free Orchestra who themselves try to go unusual artistic ways is a perfect match and i think the band is very nervous, in a good way, about it. I think they see it as an acoustical experiment and i also think that the wish to do something special and different for the fans is one motivation too, and i love that about them.
Perfect match for sure! tender laugh out loud, about the nervousness they all must be feeling right now, about the symphonic project... I'm positive they're going to have a few,
'Oh my 'GOD', what the fcuk are we going to do? How the fcuk are we going to do this (one)' moments, and that terrifying, overwhelming feeling of biting off more than one can chew.
Ohhh, but they shouldn't fret too much about it. All those thoughts and feelings are going to fuel, drive and lead them in the right direction. They'll rise above, pull through, and ultimately, awesomely, and
profoundly,
floor us all in the process... NMA/JS
always do! uh, there's a reason why they call Mr.
Sullivan Slade the Leveller, it's because he can manage to do just
that.
It would be so great if somebody would do a documentary about that. I'm so curious how they jam together, how they work on the songs, how much influence the orchestra is bringing in, how they change songs and structures. I would love to have some interviews with the orchestra and the band before and after, and with some fans who will travel looong distances for it.
Oh, fcukin' TOTALLY with you on that too, Cthulhu!
We NMA/JS nerdy types
absolutely need this kind of
behind the scenes trip, look into and at this symphonic project, via the addition, inclusion, of some kind of documentary-type featurette.
Where is Matt Reid when you need him? ;-) We should crowd finance such a production...
Or
Kevin Leeser, for that matter. Where the fcuk are you Leeser... come back.
Everybody,
'come back, when your ready... ugh.' Failing that, there's of course Mr.
Dean White, but he's likely going to be too over-worked. DW's truly a modern-day renaissance man. That man can do, fix, just about anything! And do it pretty damn well, too! Failing even
that, then... uh, how good are you, Klaus, with the camera?
Maybe you and BlackCountryMaggiD can put your heads and efforts together and pitch NMA/JS an idea or something, that'll be along the line(s) of a documentary, vision. uh, are you already friends or familiar with MaggiD, Dave?
I don't know him myself, but he's got to be one of
the top, most devoted NMA fans ever. Hey Dave, would you be up for this?
Genuinely not trying to stir up trouble, just trying to put some ideas out there, get the ball rolling. Don't mean to piss anyone off with all of this. That's never my aim, or where my head and heart are ever at,
ever. Hope folk always keep that in mind. I just want to see wonderful things happen, for everyone, everywhere.
How about anyone else, in or around the band/crew/friends... anyone of them willing and able to film such a documentary / making-of featurette-type piece to accompany the super deluxe CD/DVD version?
Something similar was done for the
"Justin Sullivan & Friends" DVD. I LOVE that kind of stuff!! It makes me appreciate even more, all the love, effort, time, invested by all parties involved, in these special one-of-a-kind NMA/JS musical ventures. The CD/DVD collections with tons of bonus features serve as beautiful keepsakes, of a moment in time, that one can go back and relive, enjoy, time and time again. While we're at it, the
"New Model Army: Live - 16/12/03" DVD needs to be re-issued, restocked in the official online shop, somewhere sown the road, as well. It too, had some fantastic extra(s) tacked onto it. Love it!
By the way, Klaus, I still feel that your brilliant video for NMA's
"Wipe Out', should be officially adopted by the band, as an official video. Yeah, I think it's that good, really!! Seeing as how the
8astards at
EMI have pulled down all the classic NMA video promos off YouTube, we need to fill that major void, especially now. Would it piss you off any, Klaus, if I were to properly message the band about adopting your video? I wouldn't want to go fcuking things up for anyone or anything, that's why I like to ask for permission first. I just feel it is an incredibly well-fitting creative effort. So happy you took the time to make and share the video, Klaus. Thank you.
I also thought that having another NOTV there would be possible and great. I know we will sing together anyways, but if they plan with that, they could have very silent passages where the voices come in. Here are some pictures of the musicians on the Sinfonie website: Sinfonia Galerie
Cheers for the link, Cthulhu.
I'm glad i got a ticket for the 19th. Of course i would have preferred the 18th or be able to do both when i'm already in town, but to get another chance for a ticket after a very, very fast sold out show i'm really greatful for that!
Right NOW the venue offers tix for the Saturday show. https://tickets.so36.de/browse/so36-18-07-2020-new-model-army-ticket-inkl-vvk/de,0,4757,49458,0,0.html
Cthulhu, or anyone else in the same boat, I pulled the above information from another thread. Keep trying, every day or so. Don't know how or why, but it seems as though tickets are thrown back into the pool, so to speak. Hope things work out well for everyone. Keep at it.
To avert anger and frustration, please avoid quoting this post via the "quote" button / feature, warm lol, 'cause it'll just do your head-in. The post is way too long, I got too carried away, again. 
