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General Category => New Model Army => Topic started by: flodhaest on October 27, 2020, 11:39:19 AM
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Hi,
I'm relatively new here... so a short introduction: I've known and loved NMA since the early 90s. For some reason, though, I never really progressed beyond Impurity (with the exception of B-Sides and Abandoned Tracks). I've listend to Love of Hopeless Causes, but to a much lesser extent, and even though I got Strange Brotherhood in 1998 and went to the tour, I didn't really get to know it.
Well, my loss, definitely. My partner gave me the four most recent albums for my birthday this year and apparently I missed out on a lot of great music. So now I'm working my way slowly through the back catalogue. Slowly because I need time to really get to know an album and I kind of like the knowledge that there still is a lot to discover, so I don't rush things.
So, to get to the point: I'm just making an order from the shop and am wondering if I should include 30th Anthology (not the box set, sadly, the two-CD-set). I do have or will get most of the songs on their original release album, so basically it would be enough to just buy the downloads of the remixed tracks.
Except, of course, there is a great booklet. I would gladly go for the whole album then. The shop doesn't really elaborate here and I couldn't find much on the web. So is anybody here who owns the set and can tell me a bit about the booklet?
Thanks in advance
flodhaest
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hi flodhaest,
the double cd should come with a great booklet:
"Uniquely the songs were chosen not by 'hit' status but by individual band members, past and present, as personal favourites complete with introductory notes."
I'm not at home right now to look it up, but from my memory the members all chose some tracks and explained why they chose it. I think somebody here can give you more details about it and i would post some pictures of the booklet tomorrow, if that would be any help.
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Hi,
I was in the same position some years ago.
I have all the studio albums, plus a few lives (def. recommend F... Texas, sing For Us). The only track on the "anthology" that I seem to be missing is "Marry the Sea", which should be on B Sides and Abandoned Tracks.
If you're not going for the DVD version, I would focus on getting the full list of albums.
One more thing might be worth mentioning, if you got the "Original Album Series" box set, Impurity is missing "Marrakesh", and Thunder and Consolation is missing these:
125Mph
The Charge
Chinese Whispers
Nothing Touches
White Coats
Have fun.
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thanks fiddlesticks and cthulhu!
"F*** Texas" is definitely on my order. Won't listen to it for a while, though, as there are songs on it that I don't know yet and I want to first get to know them in their album context. If that makes any sense...
There seem to be a few remixes on the anthology, somebody mentioned they much prefer the anthology-version of "flying through the smoke" to the album one. So I would probably get the remixes anyway and a nice booklet with background information would be worth the extra bucks to me.
pictures would be greatly appreciated, but don't put too mich effort in it., cthulhu.
Cheers
flodhaest
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Nice one. Your post prompted me to get hold of B Sides and Abandoned Tracks (Amazon download, not available in the NMA shop - probably an EMI thing). Let us know what you think of Anthology.
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And if some you are missing something of the old things as areal cd/dvd with a booklet:
Justin Sullivan and Friends was out of stock for many years before it came back - the dvd (with 19 + 7 extra tracks) is great! Last shop sale chance perhaps for many years again ;)
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And I post it here for the ones using the shopright now
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For everyone still waiting for 40th Anniversary Global Gathering shirts, we ask for your patience. Our printers are still trying to keep up with demand - while our Shop service has been limited by illness and quarantine."
Best wishes to all working for the shop - recover soon or better - don`t get really bad health problems :)
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And if some you are missing something of the old things as a real cd/dvd with a booklet:
Justin Sullivan and Friends was out of stock for many years before it came back - the dvd (with 19 + 7 extra tracks) is great!
Last shop sale chance perhaps for many years again. ;)
I think you are going to be correct about the JS & Friends DVD, lotus. :)
And I post it here for the ones using the shop right now
"For everyone still waiting for 40th Anniversary Global Gathering shirts, we ask for your patience. Our printers are still trying to keep up with demand - while our Shop service has been limited by illness and quarantine."
Best wishes to all working for the shop - recover soon or better - don`t get really bad health problems. :)
Thank you lotus. I haven't seen this message yet. Wishing whomever is feeling ill a smooth and speedy recovery.
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It`s here today: https://www.newmodelarmy.org/news/1059-second-chance-to-see-the-livestream
SECOND CHANCE TO SEE THE LIVESTREAM
The 40th Anniversary Global Stream is available to watch in a pay-to-view format at https://www.themill.tv/ for the next few weeks.
However, for those people who bought a ticket, there is a one-off opportunity to watch it again for free - for a limited 24-hour period beginning at midnight (UK time) tonight. You will be sent a link this evening.
For everyone still waiting for 40th Anniversary Global Gathering shirts, we ask for your patience. Our printers are still trying to keep up with demand - while our Shop service has been limited by illness and quarantine.
And thank you to everyone for their amazing response to Saturday.
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pictures would be greatly appreciated, but don't put too mich effort in it., cthulhu.
Cthulhu is one of the most thoughtful, kindest and generous NMA devotees here. This place is full of good souls and beautiful hearts. :)
When it comes to all types of NMA/JS/RSC recordings, if funds permit, I try to purchase everything I can, but bit by bit. I dive in for all the recordings CDs/LPs and DVDs first, then I go for the shirts, and then, if I can afford it, the jewellery. I would certainly go for collection of quality photographs or coffee-table type photo book, but sadly there are no such products available. And I don't understand why, is paper as expensive as cotton? :( I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't know for certain. Even a limited run would be sweet. How about doing one just to gauge interest? :-\ If they sell, then keep producing. Where's the obstacle? It's just ink and paper. Ok, don't go too cheap on the quality, but good enough or better. Please? :-[
I swear, >:( I could really slap the media jerks who made these guys think they're ugly, 'cause they fcukin' AREN'T UGLY!! >:( Grrr!! They're the complete opposite in fact!!! It's a hopeless cause because they themselves don't see it. I've SO tried asking for group photo posters and press photo type products to be officially produced and sold via the NMA shop. But in my 15-7=8 years of being here, they've just gotten as far as releasing a gorgeous book and magazine. I'm sorry, but to me, it just sounds like easier money for the band to maybe focus a little more on the production of paper based NMA merch. :-[
Ahhh, I'm not going to stop asking though! I'm going to become a royal pain in the ass, ;) 'til I can finally purchase a grand and beautiful NMA photo collection of 5"x7"s, 8"x10"s, posters and a strictly photo coffee-table type book, like what they ran during the gig break of the 40th Anniversary Global Gathering stream. Wouldn't an album similiar to that collection be an amazing piece to own? Doesn't anyone else think so, too? :-[
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It`s here today: https://www.newmodelarmy.org/news/1059-second-chance-to-see-the-livestream
SECOND CHANCE TO SEE THE LIVESTREAM
The 40th Anniversary Global Stream is available to watch in a pay-to-view format at https://www.themill.tv/ for the next few weeks.
WHAT? :o For the next FEW WEEKS!! :D :D :D :D :D
Yea-ahhh!! That's fantastic news!! I'm definitely going to get soaked in it, 'over & over & over again'... wWOWw!! I've got my late nights all set then! It's about time I try viewing it on a bigger, proper screen, if it's really going to be up for 3 weeks or so, on The Mill's website. ::) I feel like I'm dreaming all of this. Whoa!
Thank you for posting this terrific update, lotus! Truly thoughtful and kind. Cheers, lotus. :)
I feel as giddy as a kid in a candy store... so sweet! Thank You NMA & co. 8)
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Here the pictures of the booklet. It has 4 double sides
(https://i.postimg.cc/3wVLG445/20201028-131557.jpg)
and yep, that's the wrong cd package in the picture, noticed it when it was done..;-) it's from the dvd package.
and here a little glimpse of how the pages look:
(https://i.postimg.cc/xqDg4WGs/20201028-131423.jpg)
I made it extra bad and unsharp, so there are not too many spoilers in the picture ;-))
I think it's more than just a collection of songs and totally worth it, but of course you should focus on the albums, if you have to make choices what to buy.
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It's great and you should get it. However, I think it makes a nice addition once you have come to love all the songs in their rightful places, on the albums.
There isn't a bad NMA album so it really doesn't matter which ones you get first.
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cthulhu, thanks a lot for the pictures (and making them deliberately woozy ;D) and thanks everyone for their answers! That definitely was helpful - I'm about to put my order together and will include it, but will put off listening to the new mixes until I've got to know the respective albums.
As to that - I still have Carnival, High, Today is a good Day, Between Dog and Wolf and Between Wine and Blood to look forward to. And Lost Songs. And the Vengeance - The Whole Story extra tracks. Plus various live recordings, including Justin Sullivan & Friends (I hope that doesn't make me an illiterate on here but so far you all have been extraordinarily friendly and helpful :))
Next on my list is Strange Brotherhood, which I have listened to before but don't really know (it didn't quite grab me immediately in 1998 and I didn't put enough time in it then). I've gotten to really like the songs from there that are on the "& nobody else" Live-Album, though.
Edit: order completed. I can wait for the delivery, though, health of the employees is more important.
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It's great and you should get it. However, I think it makes a nice addition once you have come to love all the songs in their rightful places, on the albums. There isn't a bad NMA album so it really doesn't matter which ones you get first.
Whole-heartedly agree with Johnz. :) I would extend that to also include Mr. Sullivan's magnificent first solo effort, "Navigating By The Stars", as well. It's absolutely stunning! A masterpiece!!
"Navigating By The Stars" really ought to be properly re-released, both in CD & LP format, with much better worldwide access and distribution. I only ever knew of "Navigating By The Stars" because I saw it available for purchase at a JS & DW gig, that they played back in 2003. I immediately jumped at purchasing the CD there and then! I just had this awful gut feeling, knew that I'd never find here, after then, somehow. Boy, am I ever relieved I picked up "Navigating By The Stars" at that 2003 JS & DW gig! 'Cause when I went to the many local record shops we had here at the time, to look and ask for it, I always came back saddened, empty, disappointed. Even the shop folks stared back at me blankly. NMA albums have always been incredibly difficult to find here, and I don't know if that's EMI's fault, OR what I'd rather believe, that there are a respectable amount of Canucks = Canadians, out here with exceptionally phenomenal taste in music! 8)
If solid 5pc NMA can't make it back here, to play a few gigs, particularly in Canada - (if and when this Corona-shit-disaster is done, or at best, fully settled, manageable, etc... of course) - then I really hope, pray, beg that we can get the blessing, gift, treasure of Mr. Sullivan (either solo OR) along with Mr. White, to come over and play for all of us here. There are a lot of faithful NMA devotees here, in Canada. It's just a serious drag that the fcuking distance between us all, is far too wide. That makes it too costly for in-person NMA/JS/JS&DW/RSC live performances / concerts to happen. Too expensive for both the artists = NMA/JS/JS&DW/RSC :-\ and us, the fans... particularly if one wishes to see even just 2 gigs on a single tour. :'(
I bought a few copies of "Navigating By The Stars" over the years. A few copies as personal back-ups, you know, in case mine went missing or got damaged, and a couple I gifted to local Canadian musicians, here. I even mailed one out to a major Canadian PUNK legend and contributor, D.O.A frontman Mr. Joe Keithley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Keithley). I actually sent Mr. Keithley a sizable stack of 6 or 7 from NMA, along with Mr. Sullivan's solo album. The only NMA release I recall off-the-cuff, clearly, was NMA's extremely undervalued, incredibly blinding release "Lost Songs"... the other five or six, were NMA the most up-to-date recordings, at the time. My memories fried, though. I tend to gift and forget. Sure hope those recordings reached Mr. Keithley or at least, landed in the hands of folks who love and or appreciate all things NMA/JS, their works, repertoire, performances, etc. :)
Oh, I did this a very long time ago, now. It was immediately after me freaking out, going absolutely ape-shit, mental, over hearing both of these GREATS, being on the very same radio programme here in Canada, via telephone interview! :D :D :D It was a bit of a HUGE dream and a very, very surreal moment to me, actually. 8) I so intensely, strongly sense, that these two beautiful gentlemen would genuinely hit it off, become really good friends, great friends even - if they ever met in person. Mr. Keithley and Mr. Sullivan appear too have just SO much in common, right down to the very year they were born and even their middle names, too!! 8)
THANKS for that incredible moment, Nardwuar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nardwuar)!! :D That's if you ever actually see or read this here post, lol, 'cause you're just seriously fcuking spooky that way, with how much you know about shit in general, especially when it pertains to anything Canadian or music-related. Ahhh, man, Ruskin... some of them don't get you (off the bat), lol, you have a natural knack, serious way of freaking people out, dude, but you're still lovable and a real, genuine Canadian hero... warm lol, just of the nerdier, geeky, awesome variety. Always entertaining, incredibly insightful and frighteningly knowledgeable! As a fan, that Keithley / Sullivan interview, meeting was a great moment!! I got all teary-eyed and everything! It was one of the highlights for me, of that year! If any fellow NMA devotees / fellow Canucks here know where I can hear that interview again, it'd be so intensely appreciated. Please post details, etc.. here on the noticeboard. Cheers! :)
If folk outside Canada are wondering about Nardwuar... here are a couple interviews he did with the GREAT Mr. Joshua Homme (& co.), frontman of another knock-out terrific band, Queens of the Stone Age. warm lol, you'll either love Nardwuar or hate him, have a laugh or cringe. I think Nardwuar's fab and most of his guests, or should I say victims, are wonderfully obliging, tolerant, and genuinely terrific sports! Enjoy the following clips, or not, lol... 2003 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MXIKe7UirY), 2005 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGwbnCq-VR8), 2007 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFf1FjcRYF8), 2011 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqwIJPxtRJk). 8)
Getting back on track... flodhaest, do you have a copy of Mr. Sullivan's "Navigating By The Stars" CD yet? ??? If not, I highly recommend it, especially if you tend to love, appreciate, and are particularly drawn to the softer side of NMA's repertoire as well. You won't regret the purchase. Anything NMA/JS/RSC is money very well spent and a wonderful investment of the mind, heart and soul. :)
Have a wonderful day flodhaest, Johnz, everyone, everywhere! And take care. Cheers. :)
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I heard Ocean Rising for the first time in that radio programme last night. After the first few bars I thought "well, quite nice, but I'm not blown away". Then the song progressed and I was. I definitely like the softer side but the sheer raw power of the early songs also never ceases to amaze me.
So "navigating by the stars" is on my list.The physical CD seems to be hard to get, though. It's available on YouTube, apart from that I'll just have to wait till it surfaces somewhere or is re-issued.
Edit: Just saw it is available as download from the shop. Even though I prefer CDs that's good news.
(And Im pretty sure I went to a Queens of the Stone Age gig somewhen in late 2000 or early 2001 :). Can't remember much, though, since I didn't know a lot of their songs. I do have "Rated R" here somewhere and probably should listen to it again).
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Navigation is in the shop as download?
(But YT is ok, if you don`t have the money, because it might be a problem to find a real cd with a booklet for a normal price)
Flodhast - welcome, there`s so much to discover .....
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I heard Ocean Rising for the first time in that radio programme last night. After the first few bars I thought "well, quite nice, but I'm not blown away". Then the song progressed and I was. I definitely like the softer side, but the sheer raw power of the early songs also never ceases to amaze me.
There's another, full-on drum-heavy version on NMA's "Today Is A Good Day" release. Though I'm particularly partial to the much more stripped back, keyboard-driven version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ147WeXN1A), I do find both versions of "Ocean Rising" absolutely visceral, mind-blowing, blinding, climactically intense!! It's a fcuking phenomenal, sensual feast of the senses, actually. hmmm, yesss! 8)
So "navigating by the stars" is on my list. The CD seems to be hard to get, though. It is available on youtube, apart from that I'll just have to wait till it surfaces somewhere or is re-issued.
I'm so sorry for even mentioning the solo album now, because I had no clue it was no longer available in the NMA shop. I know how awful one can feel when there was treasure made, but no where to find it, get a hold of it, in this case, purchase the incredibly beautiful recording. I was also rather shocked that it isn't even available on Spotify, as well. And I don't understand why. I'm positive the album would appeal to a lot of folks, perhaps even many completely unaware of NMA altogether. This is all mind-boggling, puzzling, why it's out of print, particularly because NMA have their own record label. Wouldn't it make sense to produce / release it through their own record label, then strike a distribution deal with some outside company or what-have-you, so that Mr. Sullivan would still remain sole owner of said art, work, recording. But I don't understand how all this stuff works, as I'm not in the music business. :-\ I'm just a serious music junkie, 31-year-strong NMA/JS/RSC aficionado. :)
I did however, find the whole of "Navigating By The Stars" uploaded by someone at youtube. It's an album that really blossoms, in the quieter, darker hours of the day, particularly in the evening right before bed and into the night. Not sure if that's intentional though, but that's when it's most effective, profoundly moving, affective. I tend to listen to it most, then. It's very different to NMA's material, but quite exceptionally stunning, just the same, but in a new, different kind of direction, way, musically speaking. Genuinely hope you enjoy it, flodhaest. :) "Navigating By The Stars" by Mr. Justin Sullivan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcpcdrLI8cc&t=1935s).
I'm pretty sure I went to a Queens of the Stone Age gig somewhen in late 2000 or early 2001. :) Can't remember much, though, since I didn't know a lot of their songs. I do have "Rated R" here somewhere and probably should listen to it again.
How fcuking awesome! 8) I haven't had the pleasure of seeing any of Mr. Homme's musical projects, in a live concert setting, as of yet. stealthfully soft sweet lol, I've been a bit focussed on a certain other band, I think you might've heard of them, they hail from Bradford, UK. 8) I do have all of the QOTSA albums. My very favourite being "Lullabies To Paralyze" and my least favourite is "Era Vulgaris". I really wish the guys had had something down before heading into the recording studio, for the latter release. What a big mistake, on their part. I've tried getting into "Era Vulgaris" over and over and over again, but it does nothing to me, for me. Bit of a bummer, actually, because I know of the musical greatness that they're all tremendously capable of. But I'm sure they had their reasons. I'll still buy all their full-length records, 'cause Mr. Homme & co. are massively talented. The man has one of THE most incredible voices in modern rock music. Mr. Homme definitely has charisma, charm and that smokin' hot it factor down pat!! GREAT band. Love 'em! 8)
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Flodhast - welcome, there`s so much to discover .....
Thanks :) and I know. I'll probably stick to my plan to advance chronologically, so Strange Brotherhood would be next. Even though I'm tempted now to get to "Navigating by the Stars" first. I've come across "Tales of the Road" on youtube before and liked it a lot, so if the whole album is in that vein I get what you are saying here, 8:
It's very different to NMA's material, but quite exceptionally stunning, just the same, but in a new, different kind of direction, way, musically speaking. Genuinely hope you enjoy it, flodhaest. :).
And yes, the few available used ones are ridiculously expensive...
There's another, full-on drum-heavy version on NMA's "Today Is A Good Day" release. Though I'm particularly partial to the much more stripped back, keyboard-driven version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ147WeXN1A), I do find both versions of "Ocean Rising" absolutely visceral, mind-blowing, blinding, climactically intense!! It's a fcuking phenomenal, sensual feast of the senses, actually. hmmm, yesss! 8)
That's nice! Thanks for the link. I'm curious to get to the "Today is a good day version", but that will take some time.
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I'll probably stick to my plan to advance chronologically, so Strange Brotherhood would be next. Even though I'm tempted now to get to "Navigating by the Stars" first. I've come across "Tales of the Road" on youtube before and liked it a lot, so if the whole album is in that vein... the few available used ones are ridiculously expensive.
Flodhaest, your plan is the best plan. :) I too, prefer to go in chronological order as well. Yes, the album "Navigating By The Stars" is indeed, very much in the vein of the song "Tales Of The Road". You will love the album for sure then. Sounds as though you haven't heard more than just "Tales Of The Road" and "Ocean Rising" so far. You can listen to the whole of it HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcpcdrLI8cc&t=1935s). May I make a small suggestion? Flodhaest, if you can afford holding off purchasing a used copy of the album, that'd be better. I say this for two reasons, the first being, that in 2 years time (if I'm not mistaken), "Navigating By The Stars" will be celebrating its 20th anniversary. Perhaps Mr. Sullivan will consider re-releasing it, to coincide with that milestone. Please note, this is just a wild guess and hope on my part, but it could happen though. Who knows, it might already be in the works.
And the more important, second reason for holding off on purchasing a used copy... is that the recording artist will not receive a single cent of the used purchase when it is in fact their labour of love. Support the artists you love, buy directly from them via their official online shops or at the live shows, whenever possible. Just something for all of us to think about when purchasing music, etc.. All of the arts are really suffering at the moment because of the horrible covid-19 situation. They need us, now more than ever.
I'm curious to get to the "Today is a good day version", but that will take some time.
It's on Spotify, if you want to hear it now, but can't afford it just yet. I'm confident you'll love a lot of what you'll soon discover. Happy listening, flodhaest. :)
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And the more important, second reason for holding off on purchasing a used copy... is that the recording artist will not receive a single cent of the used purchase when it is in fact their labour of love. Support the artists you love, buy directly from them via their official online shops or at the live shows, whenever possible. Just something for all of us to think about when purchasing music, etc.. All of the arts are really suffering at the moment because of the horrible covid-19 situation. They need us, now more than ever.
... (Ocean Rising on Today is a Good Day)
It's on Spotify, if you want to hear it now, but can't afford it just yet. I'm confident you'll love a lot of what you'll soon discover. Happy listening, flodhaest. :)
8, you're absolutely right there and I try to buy as much from the shop as possible (except for albums that are not available there at all). It's just that I would much prefer a physical CD over a download...so a re-issue would be great. If that won't materialize, I probably should just get the download and look for a decent printer to print the cover art 8). But looking forward to listening to it, after all you said about it :). Maybe I have a peek at youtube.
I just made a rather large order the other day that also includes Today is a Good Day - so once that arrives I could have a go but I'll probably wait till I get there chronologically (I don't have Spotify, btw., I'm bit old-fashioned that way).
So, now to Strange Brotherhood.
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So I decided to get 30th Anthology and a bunch of other CDs and put in a rather big order on the 28th. The status has been set to "shipped" since at least the 4th, I think it might have been even the 2nd. I still haven't received anything. My last (smaller) order got here 8 days after the date on the postage strip, orders before that even earlier. I know the shop has been stressed lately and I'm happy to wait - but since the order is set to "shipped" I suspect the issue is with Royal Mail and that's putting me a bit on edge.
I didn't get signed-for-mail, so if anything goes missing it's my loss. So, before I write that order off and start thinking about ordering anew (signed-for, this time..) - has anyone else had Royal Mail take very long delivering to Germany lately?
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I have seen other websites saying "delays with Royal Mail" so probably not too much to worry about just yet. Hope it arrives soon.
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Finally got here today :). And my tickets for the gig with Orchestra Sinfonia Leipzig in Berlin arrived as well... so today is a good day, at least in that regard.
I'm just waiting for Carnial Redux now. Considering the time it took Royal Mail to deliver the last order that might take a while ;D
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Hello 8.
When I follow the link posted by Viv, I go straight to The Mill, NMA global gathering. If I click buy, I am offered the option to sign in OR sign up, though I haven't tried yet. I hope that lets you access the recorded stream, I want to give it another view myself!
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Just been poking around the shop and noticed that there are a few copies of the 30th anniversary DVD set on sale - absolute bargain at £15, I've bought myself one so get in quick if you want to add this to your collection!
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Thanks! Just ordered. And it looks like they had the solo-singles on sale (very cheap, too). Missed that, unfortunately..
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Navigating by the stars & BGILE on German ebay Kleinanzeigen:
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/new-model-army/1590199364-78-1784?utm_source=sharesheet&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_android