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General Category => Everything Else => Topic started by: Guillaume on July 13, 2014, 10:03:15 AM
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Sorry if there was already a thread about the band here but i can't find it anymore..
Are there some fans of Thin Lizzy here on this board? ;)
I would say that Phil Lynott (R.I.P.) is one of my favourite songwriter with Justin, i love his voice, sensual, sensitive, heartfelt songrwriting and his bass playing.
I discovered the band when i was a kid in the 80's, i remember my older brother was a huge heavy metal fan and he had just bought the "Renegade" vynil...now 25 years later i am still a fan of "Renegade" (the title and the album) and i also think that "Johnny the fox", "Bad reputation" and the others are brillant albums and songs...
I know that Lizzy is still alive and i almost catched a gig of them in Paris, back in 2011 but for whatever reasons i missed them...
are they still worth seeing live after all these years?
Phil Lynott is not anymore with us, sadly, so i think that Thin Lizzy without him must be a band without soul and magic...
Thin Lizzy (1971)
Shades of a Blue Orphanage (1972)
Vagabonds of the Western World (1973)
Nightlife (1974)
Fighting (1975)
Jailbreak (1976)
Johnny the Fox (1976)
Bad Reputation (1977)
Black Rose: A Rock Legend (1979)
Chinatown (1980)
Renegade (1981)
Thunder and Lightning (1983)
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listened to jailbreak a lot when i was young because my older brother had it and i didn't get any say in what was played in our bedroom. know every song word for word
only song i would put on is emerald
love that duel lead guitar stuff
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Loved Lizzy in my mid to late teens. Always regretted I wasnt old enough to hear them live. Jailbreak was probably the breakthrough album I reckon. Loved The Cowboy song and Running back. Black Rose was a decent album and I also like Renegades.
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for the cowboy song. always liked what that said
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Hey Guillaume this is my kind of post...Thin Lizzy one of my favourite bands. I saw the new version a coupla times recently. I gotta say Ricky Warrick does a great job - similar to when Spider (Pogues) had to take the helm whenever Shane lost it during their last 90s Shane gigs and then their period of Shanelessness. Sure Phil Lynott was the magic of the band but Scott Gorham is really something - he's also a magician - more subtle than Phil Lynott but if you see the band and hone in on that guitar you're in for a treat.
They're called Black Star Riders these days in a respectful attempt to preserve the integrity of the name Thin Lizzy (no I don't work for the band but if you want to send me a tenner...) so you don't get that nostalgic hit of the Thin Lizzy logo behind the drumkit - talking of - I believe Brian Downeys still there but I'm not sure of this - but what a drummer. There's not many 60 odd year old drummers can still play like their twenty something selves but BD was always so slack and funky - he plays like he always did - very good.
I've never been a Darren Wharton (keyboards) fan and so his leaving was a good thing for me - they're focusing more on the ROCK show which brings me to - well; Marco Mendoza for me just didn't look right - I don't care if he can play bass good when he looks like Motley Crue - I didn't want him there - and now he's left and they've replaced him with some guy from RATT for goodness sake - RATT! Yuk.
reports and forums I've read are all saying that Limehouse Lizzy is a much more enjoyable Thin Lizzy experience - I've not seen em yet. I'd totally recommend Black Star Riders - keep your focus away from the metal kids up there; hone in on Ricky Warwick, Scott Gorham and Brian Downey (if he's there) and block out the others - some good music played well.
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They're called Black Star Riders these days in a respectful attempt to preserve the integrity of the name Thin Lizzy
ok ;)
Ricky Warwick seems a cool guy, i'll try to catch a gig of Black Star Riders someday...
Which are your favourite Thin Lizzy albums and songs Knievel?
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man don't get me started I could go on all night...
Some of John Sykes guitar work on LiveLife is so psychedelic - crazy that he went off to heavymetalheavenWhitesnake but there you go - LiveLife and acid go together real good. His other Thin Lizzy LP Thunder and Lightning is really something too - a real resurgence.
If I had to knife at my throat pick a fave LP I would go for Johnny The Fox or maybe Bad Reputation or maybe just say ok kill me I can't decide :)
Tracks? Check out Wild One - a beauty - and Sitamoia and the Phil Lynott/Mark Knopfler 'Kings Call'. Ah and Genocide from Chinatown and then the obvious stuff - Emerald was mentioned here - a great song and lets shout Got To Give it Up/Opium Trail/Angel of Death/Fats/Suicide/Waiting For An Alibi/Southbound/Dear Lord/The Sun Goes Down/Running Back
Shall I stop?...man I love Thin Lizzy.
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Got To Give it Up/Angel of Death/Fats/Waiting For An Alibi/Southbound/Dear Lord/The Sun Goes Down/
Those are great songs!!
What do you think of "Renegade"?
Many Lizzy fans don't seem to like this album...i just love many songs on it, personally ("Renegade", "Mexican Blood", "It's getting dangerous", "Angel of death", "Hollywood"...)
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For some reason, a lot of Lizzy fans and critics didn't like the Chinatown and Renegade albums much, and Snowy White's guitar playing was blamed for this, but personally I love that man's guitar playing. So melodic and bluesy. I rate the Renegade album highly amongst the selection of Thin Lizzy albums I have (haven't got them all by some way as yet !). I really like the title track, and Angel of Death is a huge favourite too. Love Darren Wharton's keyboards on that as well !
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Bad Reputations a good album. Particularily like Soldier of Fortune. Also worth a mention are the live version of Still in Love with you. I also like some of the older songs. Sitamoia, Little Girl in Bloom, Eire and the first version of Sarah is brilliant. Always wanted a Lizzy Tshirtin my late teens but they were non existant. Was chuffed to see the Darkness highlighting the cause!
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Nearly forgot Old Flame from Johnny the Fox. Not my favourite album but nice song. Hard to beleive someone who could write such beautiful words could screw himself up so badly. Very sad. :'(
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Yeah Renegade is a great LP - not a bad song on it - and Snowy White's guitar playing is beautiful - Phil Lynott gave Snowy White some hard times for his lack of image and sure he did have bad taste in clothing - Looked like he went shopping with Dennis Waterman but he played a real subtle and strong guitar style. And sure yeah Tony S I agree Darren Whartons contribution to Angel of Death really upped that song - as did his cocktail jazz piano riffing really make Fats...all good stuff - this post led me to check out the Black star Riders LP on youtube - I'm not sure about it - I liked some but not much - and is that a nod from Ricky Warwick to New Model Army on the cover - I guess it's coincidence but was good to see it there.
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TL are a band that I'm aware of, but never really investigated... I must get on that!
If there's one single album that sums up TL... what would that be?
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I think a great first point of call is Live and Dangerous but if you've an aversion to live albums or even a preference for studio it would be Bad Reputation.
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No probs with the live stuff... Live and Dangerous it is!
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Hard to beleive someone who could write such beautiful words could screw himself up so badly. Very sad. :'(
Indeed. That's also why, when i am listening to "It's getting dangerous", "Got to give it up" or "Reneagade", i'm teary eyed!...so many songs seem to relate to Phil Lynott's life...so many touching and beautifully written lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW_pDKKgJ4Y
"The man finds himself alone for the first time in his life
He's always got a problem, he's got to work it out wrong or right
He's got to work it out, he's so lonely in the night
He's got to work it all alone"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmg52aTlXDA
"I've got to give it up I've got to give it up
That stuff
Tell my mama and tell my pa
That their fine young son didn't get far
He made it to the end of a bottle
Sitting in a sleazy bar
He tried hard but his spirit broke
He tried until he nearly choked
In the end he lost his
Bottle drinking alcohol
Tell my brother I tried to write and
Put pen to paper but I was frightened
I couldn't seem to get the words out right
Right quite right
Tell my sister I'm sinking slow
Now and again I powder my nose
In the end I lost my bottle
It smashed in a casbah
I've been messing with the heavy stuff
For a time I couldn't get enough
But I'm waking up and it's wearing off
Junk don't take you far
Tell my Mama I'm coming home
In my youth I'm getting older
And I think it's lost control
Mama I'm coming home"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIM0YfywWDE
"He's just a boy that his lost his way
He's a rebel that has fallen down
He's a man that doesn't fit
He's a king but not in this town
To you and me he's a renegade
He's just a boy who has lost his sights
He's a stranger, prowls the night
Check it out, check his face
Look at his eyes, they're so sly
I wonder why he cries from the inside
I wonder why he's a renegade
He's just a boy that has lost his way
He's just a boy, that's all"
Yeah Renegade is a great LP - not a bad song on it - and Snowy White's guitar playing is beautiful - Phil Lynott gave Snowy White some hard times for his lack of image and sure he did have bad taste in clothing - Looked like he went shopping with Dennis Waterman but he played a real subtle and strong guitar style. And sure yeah Tony S I agree Darren Whartons contribution to Angel of Death really upped that song - as did his cocktail jazz piano riffing really make Fats...all good stuff -
I agree with all of this...
If there's one single album that sums up TL... what would that be?
I have to revisit the 70's albums but i would say "Renegade" (not a favourite among Thin Lizzy's fans but probably my favourite) or "Johnny the fox" or "Bad reputation".
The "Live Life" is highly recommended too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1b5_98lY7Y
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TL are a band that I'm aware of, but never really investigated... I must get on that!
If there's one single album that sums up TL... what would that be?
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Jailbreak. It defined them I think
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Yeah Renegade is a great LP - not a bad song on it - and Snowy White's guitar playing is beautiful - Phil Lynott gave Snowy White some hard times for his lack of image and sure he did have bad taste in clothing - Looked like he went shopping with Dennis Waterman but he played a real subtle and strong guitar style.
Ha, that is true ! I think he answered the criticisms quite well with the song It's No Secret on his White Flames album though. Think he was trying to say he lets his music do the talking;
"It's no secret - I'm not the kind you talk to
It's no secret - there's nothing much to see
Well that's alright
It's no secret - I don't do much drinking
It's no secret - I never watch T.V.
Well that's alright
That's okay
I don't go to parties
And I don't talk to any big stars
I don't do much singing
But I like to drive those fast cars
It's no secret, no secret (4x)
It's so easy to see I'm not in fashion
It's so easy to see that I don't care
Well that's alright
That's okay
It's no secret, no secret baby
It's no secret, no secret"
Thought beige was an appropriate colour for the lyrics ;D
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Got a compilation of Tin Lizzy. Good band. Great guitar sounds. Lively and loud, in the right balance.
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yeah drummyb is right for me. jailbreak.
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And while the threads still alive Ray I've been thinking that Life is a much better intro to the band - better songs and there's something about the pathos of a band playing so brilliantly while everythings about to fall apart...it's just that Live and Dangerous is classic Thin Lizzy - I think a better LP is LiveLife - but whichever you go for out of any suggestions in this post there's gonna be something in there that gets you - they're all great albums - except Chinatown - that's not a great album.
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And while the threads still alive Ray I've been thinking that Life is a much better intro to the band - better songs and there's something about the pathos of a band playing so brilliantly while everythings about to fall apart...it's just that Live and Dangerous is classic Thin Lizzy - I think a better LP is LiveLife - but whichever you go for out of any suggestions in this post there's gonna be something in there that gets you - they're all great albums - except Chinatown - that's not a great album.
What is great in "Life" is that you have all the Lizzy muscians, great live performances and the whole career of this great band is covered...the live performances of "Renegade" with the audience clapping during the early great bass intro, "Angel of death", "Got to give it up", etc, are great here.
And "Chinatown" has some good tracks too. ;)
Does anyone here own the remastered, special editions/package cds of "Johnny the fox", "Bad reputation", "Renegade" and the others...released one or two years ago?
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Wonderful, isn't it?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnQ31eOI-WE
Lots of great Thin Lizzy videos on Youtube, albums and live performances... 8)
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Has anyone here read this book?
If i am right, it's the only one about Lynott and Thin Lizzy.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41yCnzuwHlL._SX317_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Yeah great band. Saw them live in 1981 in Cornwall on the 'Renegade' tour.
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Great band,only caught them once on the "Chinatown" tour with NWOBHM band Vardis.
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R.I.P Chris Tsangarides, producer of NMA ("Carnival") and Thin Lizzy on some of my fav Lizzy albums especially "Renegade"! :'(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Tsangarides
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Snowy White's Blues Agency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPKwMb2_hg
I also like what he did on my favourite Thin Lizzy album, the underrated "Renegade".
Yes ! I love Renegade too ! :)
It's the first album and first song i"ve heard from Thin Lizzy in the mid or late 80's, and i loved it from the start! I don't really know why this album met kind of hostile reviews from the critics and Thin Lizzy fans back in the 80's...great melodies and lyrics, in all cases.
It's too bad that Phil Lynott died so young. :'(
Yeah, Snowy co-wrote the title track with Phil. I immediately liked it the first time I heard it. Also love Angel of Death on the same album. I don't really get the hostile reviews either. Though the band were struggling as a unit by those days. Snowy admitted he didn't really fit in with the band (though I think he did musically), and left after that. There's a good write-up here about the album
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/thin-lizzy-renegade/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNGrrVwavMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGtJ8WR5Shc
Thanks for the links Tony S!!
I love Phil's voice and bass style...awesome!
"It's getting dangerous" is also a great closing song to "Renegade", great touching lyrics...also "Mexican blood", "Fats", "Hollywood", all the tracks were good/great, but there were many different styles in the album so i guess the fans and the critics didn't know what to think of an album so different, at the time!
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Have read on another site Thin Lizzy are on the nominations list for induction to Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame..
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A track not released on album but still really good, like a "Renegade part 2'...enjoy!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mliNhpCL7Ug
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Thanks for that....not a great fan of the band myself,just 'phoned a friend who is a huge fan and he loves it...
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Thanks for that....not a great fan of the band myself,just 'phoned a friend who is a huge fan and he loves it...
You are welcome and tell to your friend that he has fine musical tastes!
The bass and Lynott's warm moving voice still gives me goosebumps!
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Here's a 4 parts documentary about the band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHVHpbAInD0&ab_channel=ZappaIrl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaCOB4pkhHU&ab_channel=ZappaIrl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjtR0SjlPtE&ab_channel=ZappaIrl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgJl3T59OA&ab_channel=ZappaIrl
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Thanks for that....not a great fan of the band myself,just 'phoned a friend who is a huge fan and he loves it...
and here's the same track (demo) but better sound quality, just available on the ROCK LEGENDS cds package released a few weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTTmU4STyM&ab_channel=ThinLizzy-Topic
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Now that is a wonderful song. Got a selection of Lizzy songs on my running playlist. May add that to it.
Id guess its from the era of Thunder and Lightning from the guitar.Anyone know?
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Now that is a wonderful song. Got a selection of Lizzy songs on my running playlist. May add that to it.
Id guess its from the era of Thunder and Lightning from the guitar.Anyone know?
It has a mood between "Renegade" and "the sun goes down" i think, Phil Lynott's voice and his bass lines as usual give me shivers/chills...i really miss his musical voice.
here's what the first Youtube link says about this song:
This track was an extra song recorded in September 1982 as Thin Lizzy was in the process of making "Thunder and Lightning". It never made it onto the record however, most likely due to its length. An amazing track and I thought Lizzy/Lynott fans would like to hear it.
Lyrics:
You should have seen it
How they tore him down
Lined up against the wall and they shot his body down
Would not believe it
There were tears in his eyes
His heart was broken
They would not listen
All was well
He is gone now
They should have seen it
There was nothing left
Just an empty shell
I would not believe that
This would pass
He is gone now, alas
He is gone now, alas
He is gone now, alas...
And like the soldier, he's born to fight
He's sees the wisdom of the ways of night
He knows he has to seek another word
For the brave are the loved? and the ones he heard
He let the angel into the night
His heart is broken, he knows he fights
He sees the ways of the wisdom of the demon of the fire
He lives in legend, you see him now
He's silver-tongued and knows it now
And the words of wisdom, he knows them well
He called it all a cause to rebel
And like the demon that knows us all
He fights to fight, he fights to fall
And though he goes he knows he lives way out in the fire
Don't let him slip away
Don't let him slip away
There is a demon in his heart and he knows he he's had his day, oh yeah..
Don't let him slip away
Don't let it slip away
Like a heart and a soul in the dungeon he knows he's got away
And like a demon he knows he lives within the fire
And like a demon he knows he lives within the fire
They wouldn't listen...
You should have seen it
How they tore him down
He was a bright spirit
Burned down
They would not listen
Just to see it pass
He would not believe it
Oh no, alas
I wish I'd seen him
And told him now
I get so broke up
I get so broke up
I would not listen
To a word he said
And now he plays the blues...
Into the fire
Like a demon
He's into the fire
A broken champion
Lost his beret
He's broken
He's frozen
He helps her
She knows it
He's sees it's all in vain
He's a champion
She's left him here
Like a king in the story and the king and the glory I fear
The killer's on the side street
There is water down the drain
There's a killer on the highway
And I think I'm insane
They say there is no reason
It's more than it appears...
She jumps out the backdoor and says, "oh my God it's here"
He calls to the innocent
'Have mercy, mercy on me'
Then the guilty come in, and they let him free
He rises to the occasion
'I'm God-like God-like'
A transvestant? space
He tries to warn him
It's an institution out there
And society is broke down
Nobody cares
They do not listen
To fools like us
In God and country, they trust
Like the demon fighters of old
They are broken
Like the wicked wanton
Left smokin'
Like the houses after the war
They are broken
Blazing...
Blazing...
There's ?
The wicked are wanted
The hungry are daunted
Children are flaunted
And I go undaunted...
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I genuinely hadnt read the description so mine was an educated guess. The guitars on the whole album are quieter and more in the background, but heavier.
Strange band Lizzy. I think people appreciate them more now. They were always in the background from what I remember but never as big as, say, Sabbath or Zep or Purple.
To my mind they were years in advance, with some songs venturing towards pop. Great great band, in all its guises.
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Strange band Lizzy. I think people appreciate them more now. They were always in the background from what I remember but never as big as, say, Sabbath or Zep or Purple.
To my mind they were years in advance, with some songs venturing towards pop. Great great band, in all its guises.
Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin...i like all these "70's" hard rock bands at least some albums or songs from them but Thin Lizzy -like NMA- has a special place in my heart and at the time the band should have been much bigger, like these others bands!!
Thin Lizzy was more than a "simple" hard rock band, indeed they tried many styles...hard rock, pop, soul, funk, folk, jazz... even Lynott's solo albums are interesting.
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Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin...i like all these "70's" hard rock bands at least some albums or songs from them but Thin Lizzy -like NMA- has a special place in my heart and at the time the band should have been much bigger, like these others bands!!
Thin Lizzy was more than a "simple" hard rock band, indeed they tried many styles...hard rock, pop, soul, funk, folk, jazz... even Lynott's solo albums are interesting.
They were a damn good band, and Phil Lynott a brilliant songwriter, but they blew their chances to really make it big through drink and drugs, in particular heroin. I often wonder how many more great songs Phil would have written had his smack habit not caught up with him.
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I often wonder how many more great songs Phil would have written had his smack habit not caught up with him.
Yes that's frustrating and more than sad, tragic, when you think how good is a "lost" demo track like "Don't let him slip away"...but at least Phil and his band had the time to record 12 albums in their 13 years career...not bad at all!