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General Category => New Model Army => Topic started by: Space on December 27, 2014, 01:09:10 AM
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Let's put this into proper time context. Acoustic guitars were the tools of hippies. Donovan, The Beatles with their "Mother Nature's Son," The Mamas and the Papas, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Crosby Stills Nash...all hippies, all strumming their acoustic guitars.
Now after the '60s and that hippy flower power nonsense faded, the only acoustic guitars on Earth were played by country western artists, the solo Beatles, and Jimmy Page. That was it. Punk came around, disco...and thankfully the acoustic guitar was set aside with love beads, acid, and lava lamps.
So in the early/mid '80s I am into this band New Model Army. Great rock band. Yeah, in the pictures I saw of them I saw that they had long hair and wore blue jeans. Hmmm. Thought that was a bit strange, but I just ignored that. Then I go to my music store and buy their new release, something called "The Acoustic E.P." Huh? I put it on my turntable and it is the band singing along to strumming acoustic guitars! HIPPIES! I knew these guys were hippies!
I laughed to myself. Hippies after all. You know The Clash had not one acoustic guitar on their albums. The Specials, none. Joy Division, none. The Gang Of Four, New Order...short hair and no acoustic guitars. I loved all those bands, so imagine my surprise when I played "The Acoustic E.P" for the first time. Hippies! For those that weren't around then, have to remember this acoustic release by NMA was years before MTV's unplugged. Years before acoustic guitars were seen as normal tools for rock bands. I now sure do give NMA a lot of credit for being so far ahead of the curve with this acoustic E.P., but back then when I first bought it...HIPPIES!
Well, I gave the acoustic E.P. a good listen and sure enough, I loved it. "Better Than Them" may be played on the same instrument The Cowsills used, but it sure wasn't hippy music.
I am new to this forum and want to say that nearly 30 years after that "New Model Army are hippies!" moment, I still follow the band, still love them, still buy all their releases. And, yes, I am still waiting for their "The Sitar E.P."
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But hippies are awesome! :)
I believe in some interview JS actually said he was a hippy or would have been were it the 1960's.
I have been a fan since about a year after High and am fairly younger (26) so i was not around when acoustic guitars weren't in rock bands.
I would consider NMA to be hippies too. If I were alive in the 60's I would be two. I actually stayed at a hippy family's home when visiting Hebden Bridge this autumn to see a hippy acoustic JS and Joolz gig. If ever anyone gets a chance.... stay in the homes of hippies as much as possible. They share everything with you. From food to stories to even giving you a coat off of their own back. Hippies are some of the kindest, most accepting people you will ever meet. :)
Welcome to the board Space. I hope you like it here. There are many hippies and all other types of people. :)
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Hippies are some of the kindest, most accepting people you will ever meet. :)
Yeah, but they make lousy music.
And, believe it, acoustic guitars in the early/mid '80s were nowhere to be seen in cutting edge rock music. Acoustics were seen as an ancient tool of folkies and hippies. No rock band would be strapping on for a full acoustic release back in those days. NMA did have guts. Yes, The Jam released the acoustic tune "That's Entertainment" back then, but that was a one-off release. NMA released a full acoustic E.P. and then incorporated the acoustic guitar on all their albums. It was definitely different and bold.
But I still laughed them off as hippies when I bought that E.P.
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Acoustic guitars/emotional lyrics with a love of nature/long hair etc you could say is "hippy" for sure and thats cool as **** to me but they fuse it with angry punk metal to create something virtually no one has the guts to do, its the ying and the yang to me and what makes them interesting and unique.
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Define a hippy anyway. It's all about a state of mind. I have been cheerfully learning the acoustic guitar via playing JS's acoustic 'hippy' songs for the last four years now and love it, his acoustic shows are as good as if not better in some cases than the full band, cos they're different and a good song is a good song stripped down or with the full tribal drums 'n bass.. For me NMA have always been ahead of the curve, they just make the best dammed music out!
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Don't really agree with the term hippy. Punks with feelings maybe.
Anyway don't forget there was a big alternative scene in the 80s, bands like the shakin pyramids the pogues, the men they couldn't hang , the boothill foot-tappers etc etc all played acoustic instruments.
I've banged on about this cd before. I fckin love it and think its the best acoustic cd I've heard.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oDqJ3m7gSAM
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NMA and Hippies?
Have a look at the Woodstock Bands (a festival near the beginning of the end of the hippies) - that had not so much to do with having long hair, beeing singer/songwriter and only playing an acoustic guitar ....
Hippies for me were people standing for love&peace, stop the war on earth, be friendly to other people and nature, don`t follow your parents or the church saying sex is only for married ones and to make as much money as you can can`t be your aim and women have the same rights as men ...
Hanging around without a job and money, playing a cheap guitar, sing along and refusing the normal life didn`t work that long, but some parts of the spirit of that days are still there in the brain of peopöe >60
The 80th became the opposite of Hippies, money, looking stilish, having fun (and had not so much to do with the the aims of the 60th), so the punks came up with a way to life without following the rules of the established ones
NMA was and is NMA - a mix of lifestyle and music of their own during all the years and that`s why I`m a fan :)
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NMA is somewhat close to the "hippie" Neil Young...Justin said many times that Neil Young was one of his very favourite artits and i can see the link between Neil Young and NMA: raw guitar sound and feelings, half electric half acoustic sound, etc.
"Thunder and consolation" is NMA's "Harvest"! ;D
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We're all hippies really aren't we? In the same way we're all punks aren't we?
It's that yin and yang thing surely, 2 sides of the same coin. On the one hand the sentiment of say No Greater Love on the other that of Vengeance We're all a mix of both and NMA tell tales from both sides. Dunno what that makes me then, is it a Hipunk? :D
On the Accoustic guitar thing, it's true that it's associated with airy fairy flowers in the wind hippy drippy turgid smoked too much dope drivel but it's a tool just like any other and what it makes depends on whether a craftsman is using it or an idiot. It can be a quiet reflective think or something much bigger, I've been surprised to see in xmas show vids that JS was using an acoustic during Angry Planet - that's not really a hippy song is it?
Like the cut of ya' jib with this thread Space - Hello :-*
p.s. @ Pol - enjoying that cheers dude.
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NMA is somewhat close to the "hippie" Neil Young...
I can definitely see that. But when NMA first came out, they really were (in my eyes) seen as being a new Clash -- great songwriting that could incorporate both brute strength and melody. And The Clash could be gentle and melodic without using an acoustic guitar. They sure were no hippies.
But looking at it from the Neil Young hippy angle as you suggest, yeah, NMA can surely be seen as that. Neil could come up with the gentle "Harvest Moon" stuff and the brutally powerful "Ohio." I do see NMA fitting in next to Neil Young.
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How about this hippie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tBK5Ri91To
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I personally like the hippy subculture better than punk. It's more about nature and reading poetry while drinking espresso and smoking weed. :)
So if my history is right, the Hippy movement started in America after a very conservative era that was after the second world war until the mid 60s. It surfaced right in the middle of the civil rights movement so there was still a lot of racial injustice. They did drugs such as weed, LSD and mushrooms, were against any form of violence, loved and respected nature, Embraced healthy life-styles, Were anti-establishment and stood up for what was obviously right, Were open about sex and embraced it.Though their music may not have seemed remarkable..
It opened many doors musically.
People actually ask if i am a hippy and my lifestyle is pretty much the same but only it's a different era. ;D
Punk would not have existed without the previous subculture. There are many, many similarities between the two subcultures. I never understood why in the past the two have butted heads. The are basically the same with different names and some different characteristics. It's more aggressive and a different fashion.
Punk also came from America. While the U.S. has giving the world some horrible imports, These two sub-cultures are fairly productive.
Honestly it doesn't matter which subculture (if any) that NMA fall under. Music is music. If, i like it, I like it. If i hate it, I hate it. However i never got the goth culture that spun off from punk. It seems to be more fashion than ideology. But please educate me if i am wrong. I am just too young to claim to have experienced any.
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I'm not totally sure that the Americans can claim to have given us punk. Fair enough there was the spine of punk in the new York dolls and the stooges etc, but punk would have never have been punk without the pistols the damned and the clash
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Reading through this has made me wonder,
Were hippies the first punks? If punk was about kicking against the established order and freeing yourself to be yourself then surely the hippies got there first? After all given the society and state they faced, you couldn't get more anti-establishment, counter-culture and revolutionary could you?
You know what this means don't you? we're all the bastard offspring of free love and LSD.......... Far out Man ;D
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Don't think my parents would have know lsd if it hit them on the head and as for pot well those were for cooking in.
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It's often misleading to stick a label on a band...
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To which I can only add...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLPSxS_QeEQ
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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Cartman rocks
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Best hippie ever!
(it'll confuse the **** out of folks from outside the UK, but anyone from the 80's will love it... can you believe it, a top 5 hit?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB0UZN83N-w
;D
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Let's put this into proper time context. Acoustic guitars were the tools of hippies. Donovan, The Beatles with their "Mother Nature's Son," The Mamas and the Papas, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Crosby Stills Nash...all hippies, all strumming their acoustic guitars.
Now after the '60s and that hippy flower power nonsense faded, the only acoustic guitars on Earth were played by country western artists, the solo Beatles, and Jimmy Page. That was it. Punk came around, disco...and thankfully the acoustic guitar was set aside with love beads, acid, and lava lamps.
So in the early/mid '80s I am into this band New Model Army. Great rock band. Yeah, in the pictures I saw of them I saw that they had long hair and wore blue jeans. Hmmm. Thought that was a bit strange, but I just ignored that. Then I go to my music store and buy their new release, something called "The Acoustic E.P." Huh? I put it on my turntable and it is the band singing along to strumming acoustic guitars! HIPPIES! I knew these guys were hippies!
I laughed to myself. Hippies after all. You know The Clash had not one acoustic guitar on their albums. The Specials, none. Joy Division, none. The Gang Of Four, New Order...short hair and no acoustic guitars. I loved all those bands, so imagine my surprise when I played "The Acoustic E.P" for the first time. Hippies! For those that weren't around then, have to remember this acoustic release by NMA was years before MTV's unplugged. Years before acoustic guitars were seen as normal tools for rock bands. I now sure do give NMA a lot of credit for being so far ahead of the curve with this acoustic E.P., but back then when I first bought it...HIPPIES!
Well, I gave the acoustic E.P. a good listen and sure enough, I loved it. "Better Than Them" may be played on the same instrument The Cowsills used, but it sure wasn't hippy music.
I am new to this forum and want to say that nearly 30 years after that "New Model Army are hippies!" moment, I still follow the band, still love them, still buy all their releases. And, yes, I am still waiting for their "The Sitar E.P."
Not sure about the Hippy thing or acoustic guitars however i do have an opinion on The Clash. Do you not think Sandinista was a bit of weird album compared to Give em Enough Rope or London Calling ?
Be honest now, when you first bought that album (which i did on vinyl many years back), did you not think what the **** is this, where is the band aggressiveness that i know and love, and how are the fans going to spit at the band continually when "Rebel Waltz" is played live?
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I really disliked Sandinista when it came out and definitely thought what the Fck is this. I still don't like it.
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Sandinista was the best Clash album by far. It was all over the musical spectrum and really long. :)
Hippies and punks are the same! If given to me I would try LSD right now as well as other mind altering drugs. Since a month ago when first trying weed from a pipe, I have basically been stoned half of the time since. :)
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Sandinista was the best Clash album by far. It was all over the musical spectrum and really long. :)
Hippies and punks are the same! If given to me I would try LSD right now as well as other mind altering drugs. Since a month ago when first trying weed from a pipe, I have basically been stoned half of the time since. :)
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so where is my posting I was writing before?
Try it again:
Perhaps Hippies and punks are the same to you - weed and lsd aren`t!! Even people without problems may have some - you never know the quality you get, and after taking it, there`s no way out!! Beeing on an horror trip instaed of feeling well will change your life definitly and not for the better way. Don`t try to test it alone or better - don`t test it and enjoy the weed and try to find a low level to keep your life in a balance
Take care of you !!!
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Best hippie ever!
(it'll confuse the **** out of folks from outside the UK, but anyone from the 80's will love it... can you believe it, a top 5 hit?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB0UZN83N-w
;D
Steve Winwood (Traffic) I though was first and the top 5 hit?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a77yHpjdUtU
Hole in my shoes 1969
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If given to me I would try LSD right now as well as other mind altering drugs. Since a month ago when first trying weed from a pipe, I have basically been stoned half of the time since. :)
Be very careful honey that's entering a whole different game and from afar would suggest you proceed with upmost caution. I'm a hippy, that's said with love.
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so where is my posting I was writing before?
Try it again:
Perhaps Hippies and punks are the same to you - weed and lsd aren`t!! Even people without problems may have some - you never know the quality you get, and after taking it, there`s no way out!! Beeing on an horror trip instaed of feeling well will change your life definitly and not for the better way. Don`t try to test it alone or better - don`t test it and enjoy the weed and try to find a low level to keep your life in a balance
Take care of you !!!
That is very sound advice. Amanda, make sure you read this one !!!!
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New Model Army used to do a "Hippies with Attitide" tshirt about Impurity sort of time.
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I think it was John Cooper Clarke who siad punks were hippies with zips....!!
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. Do you not think Sandinista was a bit of weird album compared to Give em Enough Rope or London Calling ?
Be honest now, when you first bought that album, did you not think what the **** is this, where is the band aggressiveness that i know and love,
The aggressiveness is in the project itself. It doesn't take a guitar cranked into a Marshall amp for a band to be aggressive. Lyrics and the scope of the project they are working on is aggressiveness, too. "Sandinista" was as far out an lp as one could make. Bold, risky...that equals aggressive.
The Clash's second album was a departure form the first, third was a departure from their second, so "Sandinista" was not a wtf surprise at all. I loved it from the start, still think it is one of rock's greatest albums. It is my generation's "Sgt Peppers." I see it more as "The White Album," -- a little bit of everything, not all great, some bad, but all pretty darn interesting and entertaining.
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. Do you not think Sandinista was a bit of weird album compared to Give em Enough Rope or London Calling ?
Be honest now, when you first bought that album, did you not think what the **** is this, where is the band aggressiveness that i know and love,
The aggressiveness is in the project itself. It doesn't take a guitar cranked into a Marshall amp for a band to be aggressive. Lyrics and the scope of the project they are working on is aggressiveness, too. "Sandinista" was as far out an lp as one could make. Bold, risky...that equals aggressive.
The Clash's second album was a departure form the first, third was a departure from their second, so "Sandinista" was not a wtf surprise at all. I loved it from the start, still think it is one of rock's greatest albums. It is my generation's "Sgt Peppers." I see it more as "The White Album," -- a little bit of everything, not all great, some bad, but all pretty darn interesting and entertaining.
Don't you think your short appraisal of the Clash represents NMA's attempts to break the mould and try something new ?
Apologies in advance if we have already gone over this but i thought you posted on this forum something about NMA losing the aggressiveness and nothing seems the same since Vengance.....have i misinterpreted your point ??
On a final note re The Clash....what are your thoughts on 'Cut the Crap'.., this album got a horrendous write up. I can certainly remember listening to that and thinking WTF.
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Haven't listened to cut the crap since it came out so impossible to really comment It was probably ok ish I'm only really into the 1st self titled, London calling and rope
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New Model Army used to do a "Hippies with Attitide" tshirt about Impurity sort of time.
There are a few of those swimming around still, such as Phil's in the pic below. Amazed he has managed to keep it in such good condition!
(http://s4.postimg.org/i0f4hihlp/533521_10151321621181066_1238946494_n.jpg)
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If given to me I would try LSD right now as well as other mind altering drugs. Since a month ago when first trying weed from a pipe, I have basically been stoned half of the time since. :)
Amanda, wished that you could get over the troubles. But drugs aren't a solution for that. Just humbly saying. You're too old for starting that debris. Wishing good new year to you.
Regarding the drugs, there are some NMA songs that can be understood as anti-drugs at some level. The former fan base were also known being against it, besides bad things (like violence). They were also notably antifascist. ;)
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Gotta agree with Space, I really like Sandinista! It's sprawling and diverse and it doesn't always work, but its a cracker.
I seriously need to on a big Clash re-listen... always preferred them to The Pistols.
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Since a month ago when first trying weed from a pipe, I have basically been stoned half of the time since. :)
I don't mean to be harsh, but would that coincide with the unpleasant feelings you've been having? Being stoned 50% of the time means that you have halved your chances of being as much as you can be, to say nothing of the psychological damage delta nine can do you.
And acid probably isn't for you if you're having self-worth issues.
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I get stoned for medicinal purposes. It cuts the anxiety if i have smoke a small amount of weed from a pipe. It is better for me than anxiety med, anti-depressants, self-harming or anything else that I have tried to balance my emotions.
For a moment, i was getting acid mixed up with a drug that causes the feeling of Euphoria.I would fear that my LSD trip would turn into psychosis and trigger schizophrenia. I think that i meant Ecstasy.
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I get stoned for medicinal purposes. It cuts the anxiety if i have smoke a small amount of weed from a pipe. It is better for me than anxiety med, anti-depressants, self-harming or anything else that I have tried to balance my emotions.
For a moment, i was getting acid mixed up with a drug that causes the feeling of Euphoria.I would fear that my LSD trip would turn into psychosis and trigger schizophrenia. I think that i meant Ecstasy.
Okay, well, it's not my place to preach to you, but I can tell you that, as someone who has been to the bottom, there is not a chemical solution to feelings like these, be they prescribed or not.
Like all such quick fixes, psychoactive substances will present their bill later on.
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Don't you think your short appraisal of the Clash represents NMA's attempts to break the mould and try something new ?
Apologies in advance if we have already gone over this but i thought you posted on this forum something about NMA losing the aggressiveness and nothing seems the same since Vengance.....have i misinterpreted your point ??
On a final note re The Clash....what are your thoughts on 'Cut the Crap'.., this album got a horrendous write up. I can certainly remember listening to that and thinking WTF.
The Clash's "Cut The Crap" is incorrectly called a Clash album. Half of the songwriting team was gone from the band (replaced with Bernie Rhodes? A guy who never wrote a song?), three new members became a part of the band....I know it is called a Clash album, but it is unfair to do that. And no matter what band title they gave the album, it is horrendously bad. Terribly bad. Historically bad.
Having said that, the album does contain the tune "This Is England" which would make the top ten best of any band, including The Clash. That is a fantastic song. It also contains the greatest lyric Joe Strummer ever wrote. "Black shadow of the Vincent falls on a Triumph line." Man, by using the names of motorcycles and their manufacturers to perfectly encapsulate the decline in glory of an entire nation is absolutely stunning.
As far as NMA breaking the mold and being less aggressive musically and lyrically, yeah they have done that (see my new thread about "Christian Militia"). I am not a huge fan of the "gentler" road they have taken. I am not against melody and peace and love ("I Wish" is one of my top five favorite NMA songs), but I sure would like to see Justin crank up his Gibson SG a bit more and quit relying on his acoustic so much.
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Don't you think your short appraisal of the Clash represents NMA's attempts to break the mould and try something new ?
Apologies in advance if we have already gone over this but i thought you posted on this forum something about NMA losing the aggressiveness and nothing seems the same since Vengance.....have i misinterpreted your point ??
On a final note re The Clash....what are your thoughts on 'Cut the Crap'.., this album got a horrendous write up. I can certainly remember listening to that and thinking WTF.
The Clash's "Cut The Crap" is incorrectly called a Clash album. Half of the songwriting team was gone from the band (replaced with Bernie Rhodes? A guy who never wrote a song?), three new members became a part of the band....I know it is called a Clash album, but it is unfair to do that. And no matter what band title they gave the album, it is horrendously bad. Terribly bad. Historically bad.
Having said that, the album does contain the tune "This Is England" which would make the top ten best of any band, including The Clash. That is a fantastic song. It also contains the greatest lyric Joe Strummer ever wrote. "Black shadow of the Vincent falls on a Triumph line." Man, by using the names of motorcycles and their manufacturers to perfectly encapsulate the decline in glory of an entire nation is absolutely stunning.
As far as NMA breaking the mold and being less aggressive musically and lyrically, yeah they have done that (see my new thread about "Christian Militia"). I am not a huge fan of the "gentler" road they have taken. I am not against melody and peace and love ("I Wish" is one of my top five favorite NMA songs), but I sure would like to see Justin crank up his Gibson SG a bit more and quit relying on his acoustic so much.
Fair play to you Space, you seem to be very knowledgeable about The Clash.
You certainly have my ear on this forum as you seem to have very interesting opinions.
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..look here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fraduhr/sets/72157624427714339/comments/
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Wasn't Joe Strummer sort of a hippie as well? Meaning the Clash were partially hippie?
If the answers are yes, then hippies are the best! :)
Oh and I just noted that Strummer and Sullivan have the same initials. very amusing. :)
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I think it was John Cooper Clarke who siad punks were hippies with zips....!!
and phil lynott responded to gary moore when asked what this punk thing was - same music, different clothes. in fact paranoid is probably one of the earliest punk songs. and leonard cohen, bob dylan, woodie guthrie were all punk as ****
but the most important thing to realise is that it is impossible to label new model army. they transcend music genres. for me i hear drum and base and northern soul in so many songs. suffice to say that i have always found the choice of music to perfectly support the message in the words and the theatrics to perfectly deliver them live
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and phil lynott responded to gary moore when asked what this punk thing was - same music, different clothes. in fact paranoid is probably one of the earliest punk songs. and leonard cohen, bob dylan, woodie guthrie were all punk as ****
You can even add Groucho Marx to that list as guys who were punk as ****. In one of the Marx Brothers movies from the early 1930s, Groucho sings a song called "Whatever It Is, I'm Against It." That's as punk as punk could get.
Impossible to specifically define punk. Safety pins, bondage gear, and three chord songs is the common definition, but any fan of the punk scene knew it sure wasn't definable. First time I heard "Never Mind The Bollocks" I heard Chuck Berry boogie riffs, '50s rock and roll, just played LOUD! And The Ramones themselves said they really set out to be a pop band like The Archies, it's just that they couldn't play their instruments with any skill. I always loved Chrissie Hynde and The Pretenders. Her songwriting showed an excellent skill with melodies and the pop form itself, but I always considered her a punk. Punk covers a lot of ground. Heck, Jay Z and Kanye can be classified as punks. One thing we can all agree on is that Jon Bon Jovi certainly is not.
NMA punks, hippies, Neil Young wannabees....who cares really. Very hard band to specifically define. I'm sure that's why the members here love them.
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it appears your desire here seems to be to improve your self esteem. thats not required. you can settle down and fit in if you like. no need to impress anyone. we are all nma fans after all.
punk means thinking for yourself and not really caring what others think of you
you might have found a place where you can get along. maybe you shouldn't risk that by pissing of so many of the members with such generalisations as your last comment above.
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Heno, what the hell is your post about? Good God, my posts here are now being psychoanalyzed?
And for your info, my self-esteem is through the roof. I am a New Yorker, born and raised there. Every New Yorker knows from birth that we are better than every living soul on Earth.
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whatever man
see ya later......
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Heno, what the hell is your post about? Good God, my posts here are now being psychoanalyzed?
And for your info, my self-esteem is through the roof. I am a New Yorker, born and raised there. Every New Yorker knows from birth that we are better than every living soul on Earth.
I am glad that most New Yorkers that i have met do not share the same opinion of themselves. Nobody is better than anyone else. We are all human, all bleed, all cry and all eventually die. What i like about this forum is that most people treat each other equally. Everyone is made to feel welcome. You were too. Welcome, again. Now, let's all be nice.
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Nobody is better than anyone else. We are all human, all bleed, all cry and all eventually die. What i like about this forum is that most people treat each other equally. Everyone is made to feel welcome. You were too. Welcome, again. Now, let's all be nice.
Amanda you sure speak sense sometimes :)
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Heno, what the hell is your post about? Good God, my posts here are now being psychoanalyzed?
And for your info, my self-esteem is through the roof. I am a New Yorker, born and raised there. Every New Yorker knows from birth that we are better than every living soul on Earth.
got time to come back. sorry
i know lots of native new yorkers and never really heard any of them spout that much rubbish. certainly not in the circle of friends that would also be into nma. always found them down to earth and very humble.
maybe you should have the story about being from new york checked out.
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Nobody is better than anyone else. We are all human, all bleed, all cry and all eventually die. What i like about this forum is that most people treat each other equally. Everyone is made to feel welcome. You were too. Welcome, again. Now, let's all be nice.
Amanda you sure speak sense sometimes :)
When not it rant mode.
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Nobody is better than anyone else. We are all human, all bleed, all cry and all eventually die. What i like about this forum is that most people treat each other equally. Everyone is made to feel welcome. You were too. Welcome, again. Now, let's all be nice.
Amanda you sure speak sense sometimes :)
When not it rant mode.
Yoko Ono said it best...."we're all water from different rivers"
(check out the awesome cover of John & Yoko's album "sometime in new york city". Nixon and Mao dancing naked!
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songs like this make me believe they are in fact not hippies
http://youtu.be/qOxnEv5YDeI (http://youtu.be/qOxnEv5YDeI)