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General Category => Everything Else => Topic started by: Master Ray on January 20, 2015, 08:18:49 PM
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OK, before I go on, this is not an attack on anyones personal taste, so calm down if my silly words rile you up in any way... this is a thread about those 'classic' acts that you can't get to grips with, no matter how hard you try...
For me, it's gotta be Bob Dylan. I just don't get it. I like some stuff (Blood On The Tracks is a pretty good album and some of his 60's stuff was pretty decent) but most of it just sounds like someone's whose been allowed to get away with his mumblings for far too long, as if a strong producer should have tapped him on the head and said 'um, where are the SONGS?'
I'll go for Lou Reed as well, and I'll include The Velvet Underground in this. All hail Lou! Er, what was the last decent song he wrote? ???
And, yes, I'm going to throw Mr Lennon into this. Respect for the amazing stuff he did with The Beatles and one of the greatest voices ever heard on this silly little planet... but when he threw his lot in with Yoko, wow, that shit made 'Revolution 9' sound like a pretty pop tune. At least Mr McCartney made music that anyone wanted to listen to! For the record, not a fan of old Paul (I personally thought George was my favourite Beatle), but there are few of his tunes that I'm quite fond of...
OK, there it is, please appreciate that this is a PERSONAL view... what other 'classic' acts are not all that fond of... C'mon, be brave!
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Good thread. Similar views with Dylan. Never ever listened to Lou Reed. I didnt get Amy Winehouse either. Fantastic voice but a statue? After one successful album?? No.
Cant get my head round Pink Floyd either. :-\
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I used to dislike Dylan when younger, but then I started to like that type of stuff when I heard a certain artist; a dude called Dave Lindholm - who's been inspired a lot about Dylan.
Most of the new metal stuff of today is quite challenging to me. I just don't like the way they're mixed and mastered on LP's. Sounds are too clean, drums are triggered with ready stuff from sound banks. There should be some snot on it and heavier use of compression, I think. There was better sound quality (or "fashion" actually with sounds) in 90's. But yeah, there are exceptions too. Even today. ;)
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I play guitar and I know I should like Jeff Beck but I've tried and tried and I just can't get my head around why he's held in such high regard. I get that he's talented, and that nobody else sounds like he does, but everything I've heard just sounds like random noises and experiments rather than a song.
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The Rolling Stones and The Who. Some fan bloody tastic songs in their back catalogue. But equally a lot of stuff that leaves me lost and bewildered.
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Was never a Dylan fan myself but I've never listened deeply enough to really express an opinion same goes for the Beatles i suppose though difficult to not know a good few of there songs for me they were just really pop music. I do like a few Lou Reed songs on transformer but that's about it . I'm not a huge pink Floyd fan but definitely like a lot of there stuff and respect them.
A good thread Ray but for me difficult to give a definitive answer.
ok i see more posts never been a who fan they have a few decent n yes the stones have a good few excellent songs but all of them older stuff
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With you on Dylan. Having said that he's written some great songs, it's more that just about anyone can do a better job at performing a Dylan tune than the man himself.
Neil Young is another one.
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OK, I'll throw another one out there... I don't 'get' Led Zeppelin, and I say that as a die-hard rock fan. Some great musicianship and a handful of songs I like, but much of it... nah, not for me. :-[
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David Bowie. I dont get a lot of it. Absolutely love Ziggy Stardust, Space Oddity and Modern Love. Just dont get much else.
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Sex Pistols- There were so many punk bands who could sing and play instruments better. Not to mention have better lyrics. Like the Clash. I actually like the public image LTD. stuff better.
The Ramones- There music was catchy and fun but i don't get the impact that it played.
Paul McCartney solo.
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the clash have about as many good songs as the pistols
for me anyway
songs that mean something
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The Sex Pistols were a McLaren manufactured act... the 70's punk equivalent of the Spice Girls... ???
The Clash came up with so much good and diverse stuff over several albums...
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The clash were maybe better and have definitely lasted the test of time better but imo the sex pistols were the most important group ever, was listening to planet rock the other day and they played anarchy in the uk and know what 39 years later it still kicks ass
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Respect, Pol... personally, I'll take PiL over the Pistols any day...
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Agreed but there wouldn't be a pil without the pistols Would there be a new model army without the pistols, i guess know one can really answer that
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Agreed but there wouldn't be a pil without the pistols Would there be a new model army without the pistols, i guess know one can really answer that
;)
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I must have two dozen Pistols /PIL albums which I amassed 25 years ago. The only one I listen to now occasionally is Bollocks.
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The Sex Pistols were a McLaren manufactured act... the 70's punk equivalent of the Spice Girls... ???
The Clash came up with so much good and diverse stuff over several albums...
I agree. I like the Pistols, but there are so many better punk bands out there. Punk would've happened without them, it was already happening in America.
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The act I don't get is Bob Marley. I hate that sound. The slow plucking guitar.
Yes that's right, plucking ::)
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The act I don't get is Bob Marley. I hate that sound. The slow plucking guitar.
Yes that's right, plucking ::)
Oh, mate, saw The Wailers (without Bob, obviously) supporting the Stone Roses a couple of years back.. a solid hour of utter plodding that pleased nobody...
Then again, I just don't reggae at all...
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I could agree except for Eddy Grant. Always liked a bit of Eddy Grant
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No way bob Marley is a total legend
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For what, sending audiences to sleep
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Sometimes you just want to relax and chill out with music its not all about jumping about like a madman
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Oh-aye, that's what the JS solo album is for ;)
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OK, new one. Anything Radiohead has done since about '98...
Liked a lot of stuff from the first three albums when they had, you know 'songs'... not many since then, so much tuneless wankery! And people go along with it because, if you don't, you're all 'can't appreciate the genius, maaaaan'...
Newsflash... most fans would like some actual moving, intelligent, beautiful songs like 'Fake Plastic Trees' or 'The Bends'...
IMO, anyway... :o
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Thats a post I coulda pretty much wrote myself. From Kid A onwards they ditched guitars and good songs to sounds and noises with some words. Shame
Great band and saw em live before they lost me.
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Radiohead - disappeared up their over blown sense of importance years ago. I'm all for trying new stuff but surely it has to be listenable not just a bunch of turgid muso wankery for the sake of it. You'll have gathered I'm not a great fan. ;D
And what about this lot, never got 'em, never enjoyed 'em: Queen. Anything good about them Muse do a million times better :P
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Radiohead - disappeared up their over blown sense of importance years ago. I'm all for trying new stuff but surely it has to be listenable not just a bunch of turgid muso wankery for the sake of it. You'll have gathered I'm not a great fan. ;D
And what about this lot, never got 'em, never enjoyed 'em: Queen. Anything good about them Muse do a million times better :P
'Anna... just killed a man...'
Loved Queen as a kid and I still think there was some good stuff in the 70's, but they really started to suck in the 80's...
Love Muse though... one of my faves of recent years...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbLDFiQM-l8
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If it hadn't have been for that bloody Waynes World film we could have all lived in peace but no, every pisshead at 2 in the morning now thinks we all need to hear how great they can sing.. And if that wasn't bad enough there was the spectacle of that poodle haired numpty playing on the roof of Buckingham Palace >:( ;D
And as for :
'Anna... just killed a man...'
I didn't !!!!! At least not just yet............ I could, at 75m, kill a man if I choose to. but to date I haven't....... You Honour :-*
Beautiful bit of Muse there Ray :)
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i was there
he ran straight into the arrow m'lud
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Turgid muso wankery......Im having that on my gravestone!!! :)
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1) Bob Dylan. Spent over an hour watching his performance at the Torhout festival in 1990. Was waiting for The Cure to close the bill. The longest hour in my life.
2) Queen. For obvious reasons.
3) Jeff Buckley. Hallelujah must be the most annoying and boring son ever.
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Bob Dylan - Seems he is a pretty damn fine songwriter and lyricist but lets face it the term Singer/Songwriter wasn't invented for him was it? In fact the word Singer isn't really applicable. FFS you could endure me singing karaoke Dylan and while I might not be able to carry a tune for love nor money you would a least be able to understand the bloody words I was croaking out ;D
Buckley I don't really know I'm afraid.
How about Hendrix then? Surely the ultimate guitarist, a virtuoso genius. No argument from me. Don't mind hearing the odd track every now and then but.....ugghh.............bored.................. ;D It don't touch me. I don't connect with whatever is the"soul" of the music. So nah - not bothered thanks.
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New one... Eric Clapton. As before, some good tunes here and there, both solo and with previous bands... but he's just so bloody DULL! Yet he is revered in certain quarters!
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Clapton? Lets go baby ;D ;D
What a load of runny bottom burp dribblings that bloke has farted out on us all :P
And honestly................ that beard - yuck >:(
I'm not really a fan of "Classic Rock" ;D ;D ;D
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OK, a couple of new ones... firstly NEW ORDER. Now, I like some of their tunes... Bizarre Love Triangle, 1963, True Faith, Run, Regret, Shellshock... but most of their albums seems to be a couple of crackers separated by an awful lot of ****-all... and, dammit, the worst vocals EVER! For the record, I love Joy Division...
And secondly, and I'm sure you're all agree with me on this one... ******* COLDPLAY. I truly cannot get to grips with how a band this shit-awful got to be so big. Whiny-assed crap that got massive by some accident of faith / misfortune / Satan. They are just so, so bad... yet they sell out stadiums all over the world. I truly do not understand how people, all over the world, are loving this shit! One Direction... I get that, it's little girls spending their pocket money! But why have so many supposedly intelligent adults fallen for this utter ******* ARSEBOLLOCKS? >:(
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As others have mentioned, I don't get
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
A few good songs but most of their output passed me by like white noise. I'd alsou include The Clash,
You can't like everything and it'd be boring if we all liked the same stuff
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New Order?
Yeah some great records but awful live. What a disappointment they were. For gods sake, Cromwell snuffling in his sleep can carry a tune better than Sumner, come to think of it a fart in a collender has more resonance than that blokes "voice". Pah "Bag of Shite" as Paul Calf would say............... ;D
And Coldplay - yeah a decent first single but then drone........drone.........drone.......... on and on and on................ never seems to end does it?
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think Jeff Buckley was absolutely brilliant! His vocals are not-of this earth. A remarkable loss to music. :)
....But not everyone's thing.
I get some of the New Order thing. They were better as Joy Division but after Ian Curtis died, they lost the magic.
Bob Dylan has written some amazing songs and is a poet but some songs just don't ignite my emotions like others.
Same With Bob Marley. No Woman, No cry is one of the most powerful songs ever written though and he was a remarkable person.
I think I didn't get the Sex Pistols because I was not born at the time. Sid could not play his instrument, John could not sing.
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Like some others, I'm really not into Coldplay, although have they really achieved "classic" status yet?
For me, it's Nirvana. I just don't get it. I don't think they're unworthy of praise, or reputation, but it's just absolutely not for me. I don't mind Smells Like Teen Spirit, but that's about where it stops.
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Phil Collins. His songs aren't that bad, I just hate his singing voice. Flat as a pancake. Status Quo, same reasons.
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Paul ****** err Weller
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Good Question. Thinking Back on all the music I have heard I have to admit That Electric Light Orchestra Which many consider a great band I just was never into their sound. Not that they are bad musicians but their sound just did not grab me and still doesn't. 8)
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Got to admit cant stand bob dylan good songwriter but prefer other people doing his songs not a fan either of eric clapton they ask crazy prices for there gigs as well onlly time have paid crazy money to see anyone was john mellencamp £78 in manchester a few years back only time i would probably ever see him as he doesnt tour in the uk
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I agree with Shush and Ron B about Phil Collins and ELO. I would rather like Phil's progressive band like Brand X when he played drums (he was a killer drummer) than his stuff he started to make in the 80's. Electric Light Orchestra therefore is a strange band I've never been into. Like a men's falsetto choir wearing granny's flower hats and curtains. Yuck.
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I know what you mean, Jimmy. I really like Tom Waits who so rarely tours... the last time he played the UK (in not very big venues) it was £150 a ticket... :o
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yes master ray some crazy prices friends went to see tom waits in edinburgh im sure they said if you bought tickets for the show you had to show id think it was to stop touts thats another pet hate of mine by the way did you say you bought the dvd local hero in asda lately was in pennan last year with my girlfriend where it was set one of the most beautiful places i have ever been and the weather was fantastic which made it even better
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i couldn't be bothered seeing him live. i want isolation when i listen to him. there is no collective experience for me with tom waits. in fact i just wish he could play in the corner of the room when i need to be honest with myself and others.
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I might get hung for this, but I dislike Rush intensely. Journey, Foreigner, Reo Speedwagon, Huey bloody Lewis and Toto. There's a whole raft of classic American music that I find so pompous, overwrought and up itself, it makes me cringe.
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I might get hung for this, but I dislike Rush intensely. Journey, Foreigner, Reo Speedwagon, Huey bloody Lewis and Toto. There's a whole raft of classic American music that I find so pompous, overwrought and up itself, it makes me cringe.
Not by me you wont non bald bloke ;D I'll stand with ya' if the lynch mob arrive :D
Agree with you entirely and can we add The awful Eagles to the list?
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I will man the barricades with you Pete n Anna
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Could we get away with adding Bruce Springsteen ? :-\
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Could we get away with adding Bruce Springsteen ? :-\
Sir, you are now dead to me.
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Could we get away with adding Bruce Springsteen ? :-\
Sir, you are now dead to me.
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Ooh...... ding dong............
Pistols at dawn Sirs
Can I be the Wench who drops the hankerchief?
;D ;D ;D ;D
BTW I don't think Springsteen would be in the same company as the other bunch of indulgent egoistical noodling mother fuckers from the 99th layer of Hell - but sometimes he has displayed an ability to disappear up the bottom of his own ailimentary canal
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I might get hung for this, but I dislike Rush intensely.
I don't get shivers about Rush. Their hint of flirting with metal at the early days was quite good actually. You know Tom Sawyer, one of their classics? Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6HKqrbWgGxs) their -81 live version of it.
Well Rush is not my big faves and I see many doesn't like Geddy Lee's voice so much. Couple of my friends are really into them. What I like in their stuff it's the rare "proggy meets metal" type of things. (I'm a LOT into early technical thrash metal bands that explored progressive side even further within the thrash genre.) ;)
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Well, I'm not going to get into a 'pistols at dawn' scenario with Shush... I've met the dude...
Springsteen is like Bowie... most folks remember him most for his most successful / least interesting period in the 80's... and like Bowie, his best stuff was in the 70's, but there's some damn good stuff in the last 20 years...
:)
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OK, I think that others have said that they ain't fond of Pink Floyd... I waver on that issue, depending on what album they're talking about... :-\
But this cult of Syd Barrett? Some legendary lost genius? Shit, you ever listen to his solo stuff?
Jeez, that's a 'just say no' scenario if ever there was one...
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Fun topic. Always a god time trashing the establishment!
Totally over-rated bands:
Led Zep.....had the best pr firm in music history. End of discussion.
Who.....some great singles, maybe one album that's listenable all the way through
Stones......should have retired after Mick Taylor left, didn't......
Pink floyd....One great album, Meddle...then just rewrites for the rest of their career
Grateful Dead...ugh
That will take care of the 60's.....70's up next
I'll have to give this some thought because I never listen to "classic rock" radio,ever.
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I seem to like all these bands :-X but I have quite a wide taste in music...
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Oh I don't really like The Arctic Monkeys after the 1st album, are they 'classic' though?
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They're certainly regarded as being hugely popular...
Great lyrics, but the music... nah, not having it.
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They're certainly regarded as being hugely popular...
Great lyrics, but the music... nah, not having it.
Yes agree with that, he's a really good lyricist but musically they've just become so bland, 1st album great though! I just don't get why they've got so huge - I guess blandness sells!
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OK, THE STROKES... first album was enjoyable in a ripping-off-Iggy-Pop-kind-of-a-way, a few decent tunes there, but since then... ****-all, IMO. Yet they headline festivals and shit!
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On the strokes etc i guess a certain amount of the general public just latch on to a band and believe there good because they have good marketing and they think well they must be good then
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So what we're saying really is that it boils down to this.......
Any Bloated, Big Haired, Big Bearded, Big Bellied, over-ego stroked, over noodling, over compensating small cocked spawn of Satan that The Universe felt fit to chuck down at us so that we might know what Purgatory has in store for us.
Is that about right?
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Anna's last post made me think of this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0t99WmSCM
definitely worth a listen
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Nice one Pol - what an astute bunch of chaps. I'm sure they'll go far ............. ;D
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The WHO!!!!
I don't really like The Who! quite like the odd track - Substitute, My Generation. But after that Tommy etc they just sound like bad prog - and I love prog!
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Its gotta be oasis, they really grind my gears
I could go on but out of respect to others on the forum i won't
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Its gotta be oasis, they really grind my gears
I could go on but out of respect to others on the forum i won't
Oh !!! Go on, do it. You know you want to ;D
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Its gotta be oasis, they really grind my gears
I could go on but out of respect to others on the forum i won't
Go for it, mate!
I personally loved Oasis... for a bit. DM and WTSMG were fine albums... Heck, I even liked 'Be Here Now'... but after that, it was slim pickings indeed. The odd great tune here and there but the rest of it... ::)
Their b-sides album was their highpoint, IMO...
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A bit of a cop out i won't give it full venom
Imo there are really poor band who tried and failed to imitate a band i don't like anyway, just hate the sound of Liam's whining droning voice, there personalities really annoy me, hard men pmsl they would last 5 mins down any local housing scheme. Noel has some talent granted but Liam has very little how well have beady eye done
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In the words of the great Janes Addiction: Here We Go.............................
Oasis? Yeah, one of them was good, a couple good enough and one a complete and utter Professor of manual self love. I recently read this quote that I will quite happily claim as my own:
"the musical choice of the ned chav knuckle dragger just about sums it up"
And we can fairly lay the blame for that on that shambling half formed regressed Neanderthal monobrow arsehole Liam. Honestly, how did such a seemingly vile obnoxious half formed human being get feted as being "cool", as having "attitude", as representing a generation in "cool brittania". What a load of bollox. The fellow is happy to be seen as an arrogant drug addled fuckwit. All the while the rest of the world knows he's riding on the coatails of his brother. Rather large male member of the first degree I believe.
Ooh I did enjoy that ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Anna, you made my heart skip a beat when on this thread I saw the words "Jane's Addiction", one of my all time top bands. :o
But yes, Oasis. You have to give them credit for making guitar based music a good airing in the 90's. I have their two classic 90's albums, and give them a play now and again. I was never destined to be a fan as I dislike the Bro's so much. They seamed to make being a chav cool as something to aspire to. Although I thought they did a good tune, I always found the lyrics to be piss poor. If it rhymed, then it went in. Being an NMA fan, I appreciate meaningful lyrics, and Oasis wrote the opposite. So yes, I can listen to some of their stuff, but could not imagine respecting and looking up to the two boys.
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I'd certainly take Oasis above Blur, to ignite that briefly-trendy argument from the 90's... Blur had one great album (Modern Life Is Rubbish) before becoming trust-fund wankers patronising the working classes with 'ain't it great to be a Cockney' stuff.. and then vanishing up with own arses with pretentious musical bollocks at a speed that would go unsurpassed until Radiohead reached the fourth album...
IMO, anyway... :-\
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I take Blur over Oasis any day of the week and I'm a Mancunian! Beatlebum is better than anything Oasis ever did and the B-side Young and lovely is well, lovely :)
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New one, and not a 'classic act' as such, but someone who gets relentless praise from the music media in the uk for reasons that truly pass me by... Pete Doherty... ::)
A drug-addled tuneless tossmonkey who wouldn't recognise a decent song if it fucked his face, seems to be getting by thanks to being in a rather over-rated indie band called The Libertines... and also thanks to shagging another spotty drug addict, this time a scrawny and ugly (yet hugely famous) model, some years back...
Seriously, I've NO ******* idea why this prick isn't forgotten / in the gutter by now! ::)
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Gotta agree with the whole Pete Docherty statement, no really heard much of his much music but wot I've heard was pretty awful, rumors has it the libertines might have had one half decent tune once. Kinda makes you wonder wtf its all about really maybe the its all publicity is good for some thing.
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I think the thing with The Libertines is more about their cultural impact than the songs. They ushered in the death of all that generic oasis-like 90's lad rock and a return to a more ramshackle Clash and Smiths influenced uniqueness. That this disintegrated into tedious tabloid headlines and drugs does not lessen their importance on alternative UK music. They should really have more great songs though.....
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Just got Noel Gallaghers New album and I have to say it's very good. Bit more diverse in sound than the first one. We watched Oasis years ago and I thought even on their later albums they still had some cracking songs.
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The new NG album is perfectly decent and enjoyable, just as Beady Eye were...
Just wish we had something better than that.