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General Category => Everything Else => Topic started by: Master Ray on May 21, 2015, 08:29:10 PM
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This Forum is kind of a comfort zone nowadays, I love posting here and getting back good messages from good folks. :)
I hear that it kicks off a bit on various Facebook NMA forums... feeling a bit curious...
Any of you lovely lot know any interesting Facebook forums that I can dip my toes into? I sometimes hear references to stuff that is said here and I'd love to check it out for myself, all anonymous and shit...
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You going undercover ray lol.
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i've no idea. i deactivated fb last September and have never looked back. its not worth it.
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You going undercover ray lol.
Yeah, Pol, I'm gonna be a 'private eye' and report back with my findings...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WASt9E5slM0
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Don't you dare bring the "other Place" here.
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It's not worth it. Even the admin left/ person who created the group. He was fed up by a group of people who ruined it.
It's just called New Model Army. A group of people are bullies and bigots. If you disagree with them , then they always say you are mentally ill or evil etc.
It's hardly ever about the band. Just stupid banter and jokes. Then if you disagree or challenge them, it's personal attacks. They screen-shot posts, make fake accounts and gossip.
One group of fans ruins it. If you are someone they dislike, They get very mean and personal.
It nearly ruined NMA for me.
Bottom line is, it is not worth it. They don't make the name NMA look very good and act opposite as many of the songs suggest.
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Amanda... You recently left the FB NMA group for reasons which I fully understand, but if the FB NMA group is so horrible why did you rejoin it again?
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Because I blocked everyone who I had an issue with. I used to enjoy it. You can read about gig meet-ups there.
I leave and rejoin often.
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Personally, I don't give a shit about what is said about myself, there is practically no information about me on my FB page, but a bit worried about my 'friends' and what might come down on their heads thanks to their involvement with me... I choose my FB pals very carefully and they're all good folks...
I dunno, just fancied hearing what other people were saying... :-\
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No harm in having a look ray , experience is always good in the end
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Personally, I don't give a shit about what is said about myself, there is practically no information about me on my FB page, but a bit worried about my 'friends' and what might come down on their heads thanks to their involvement with me... I choose my FB pals very carefully and they're all good folks...
I dunno, just fancied hearing what other people were saying... :-\
The people on the NMA FB page are by and large good folks. Yes, it very occasionally kicks off, much in the same way as this forum kicks off from time to time. A lot of the issues are personality clashes which happen in all forums. Current topics are "who's wearing clogs in the mud to bearded theory", "best type of sole for clogs", various links to NMA videos and discussions about upcoming gigs.
Don't take my word for it that it's a great group, or Amanda's that it's horrible. Come on in and join for a bit, see what it's like for yourself and if it's not for you then you can always leave.
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It's really not such a big thing. There are two groups that I know of, both called New Model Army. One is the official page and the other is the group mentioned here. Thanks to that group I now know that there are at least 37 NMA songs that mention hills or mountains :D. So it's mostly that kind of talk. Like any group it has its idiots; people who like to stir a bit and those who rise to it. Some of that goes back to unresolved issues that we no longer talk about here (for better or worse).
Facebook is much more fleeting by nature, so topics rarely stay active for more than a few days. It is more active than this forum but there is less depth to the conversations (sadly a sign of the times).
Anyway, go check it out. It really isn't a big deal and you can always leave if you don't like it.
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Actually some of the threads on that FB page have been astonishingly nasty. The bullying and viciousness that occurs there is at times beyond belief and the fact that it is being done under the name of New model Army is shocking and deeply saddening. It's a handful of people that are very very vocal and why they are even tolerated is beyond me. It was very noticable that after Joolz commented on her FB page that the bullying on there was way beyond the pale, the group was turned from an open group to a closed one within hours. Which tells you pretty much everything you need to know - that and the admin leaving.
Frankly, I think the group should change it's name. Not only is it confusing to fans of the band that this page exists using the bands name as well as the official site, but some of the comments on there are abhorrent and in no way represent the band or their views at all. It's soul destroying seeing alleged NMA fans treat others that way.
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Yes there have been some nasty exchanges. Frankly, once a thread gets silly I just stop reading it. The same goes for this forum. Life is too short to pick fights with strangers on the internet.
On a more serious note, however, it is a reflection of a part of NMA's following. NMA is known for its outspokenness and turning gut reactions into songs so it's perhaps not surprising that we are seeing this kind of behaviour. As we're all getting older and more mellow, it's easy to forget that before NMA fans were 'family' they were 'militia'. And militias don't always fight the prettiest wars.
Also, you can't ignore the fact that a number of people bear some grudges (rightly or wrongly) and if they leave one place they will likely pop up again in another. A lot of the behaviour we're seeing on FB seem to be borne out of a level of intimacy and connection with the band that far exceed mine. I guess it's all part of the 'Better Than Them' discussions that we used to see here in the past.
Maybe some more open discussion in a more controlled environment wouldn't be such a bad thing after all. I don't know.
However, I do agree that the group should change its name as it does not represent NMA.
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No, actually it is a horrible group. If you are the "one person the dislike. " It's not fun.
If you are that person they find something to be offended by. Then you get 20 people who are angry and twist your words around.
If you oppose them you must have a personality disorder or be a psychopath when you are not.
They even use NMA lyrics in their hate campaign.
Then one person calls you od inferior intelligence and you point out that they can not spell correctly, you have 20 people calling you a horrible, insensitive person
Bottom line.
It's best to avoid. I wish it would be reported to FB and shut down.
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Bottom line.
It's best to avoid. I wish it would be reported to FB and shut down.
Fair enough. But why are you still posting in it? If I don't like a group, I leave and move on.
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Because I have just as much a right to post as they do. I will not let a group of people force me out of anywhere. I dealt with enough bullies in school. Backing down means they win and then they continue with a new victim.
someone needs to stand up to them or they continue.
I don't think the passion behind the songs causes 40 something adults to gang up on one 20 something person.
The passion of the songs suggests kindness. Not becoming an angry mob, personal attacks and ,worst of all, becoming an armchair psychiatrist. Then saying that you hate people with personality disorders after feeling obligated to diagnose them with one.
And guess what the person doesn't even have one so you just insulted people with an actual illness.
It's not a reflection of the NMA following. It's a very small group of people/friends who come to only U.K. gigs. Which is why I much prefer mainland Europe. Then make rude gestures in real life. You don't grab your **** at someone you don't like after getting drunk. You don't shout at someone for simply walking past. You don't point and laugh at someone you know to be terribly shy. It's not funny, it's mean. Nowhere do the songs suggest to act like that. It's not an excuse. Next time I am harassed after a gig, I go to security. I don't buy a ticket to Wakefield to be treated this way after a gig.
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I am not defending it. I agree that it's bullying. My point was that this is nothing new. In fact it used to be a big issue in the 80s which seems to have all but died down in recent years (obviously with a few exceptions).
New Model Army of the 80s were an entirely different band to what they are now and many people had problems with their following for a number of reasons. It was always more of a problem in the UK than on the continent. Concerts were much more aggressive and you were either part of the in-crowd or you were not. I wasn't and that was fine by me. Remember that they couldn't play Vengeance for some years because it caused to many fights in the audience. All that changed when the band became big with T&C.
In many ways this is what made the band unique and fuelled the passion. But it wasn't always pretty and while that was certainly not the band's intention they still played their part in it. This used to be a common discussion. I guess two things happened; it got better over time and people got sick of discussing it.
I know that a lot of this was a long time ago. The only reason why I am bringing this up is because those that did not experience the band in their early days will not understand were some of this is coming from.
That doesn't mean that I condone any of this out of line behaviour. Far from it.
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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i deactivated facebook last year. i was active and a member of that group among others. everytime i took a look i didn't stay longer than a couple of posts to read. by then i was reminded why i left so swiftly previously.
and i believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression. but i also believe that i have the right to walk away if i don't like what you are saying. i also have the right to tell you to go **** yourself if i want to stay where i am and you are bleeding your crap all over me. and i have a right to safety and security so i don't find myself in difficult situations. facebook removes all those rights for profit. and most of the vocal dopes on there don't realise how much money they are making for corporates.
i have thought about this a lot. and i don't mean to offend anyone at all. but there is a particular type of troll on facebook that genuinely sees it as a soapbox, a hyde park corner, to spew their crap on others or bully others. if they have these opinions they why not stick to their own page and see how many read it. they shouldn't be allowed to spew it all over the place.
i'm not saying my standards should be the ones but sure facebook should hire Mr Vivienne Savage as global moderator and bring peace and calm to difficult situations and explain the meaning of civility, respect and equality in a way that only the hopeless can ignore.
it is a common disgrace that the name of new model army should be subordinated to a global social media commerce platform. and a disgrace that the band, and as importantly the fans, can be misrepresented in such a way. sure, if you want social media distribution of that type then it should be subordinated to the identity and beliefs of the band and leveraged in the interests of the fans.
being the band, and respecting the will of fans, old and potentially new, then nma simply needs to highlight that its a misrepresentation and carry the fight to the corporate overlords of facebook. and take it back.
now that is the most facebookesque rant i have made in a long time. you can see why i don't go there.....
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I am not, and have never been, a facebook member. I always assumed that if I ever got around to joining it, it's usefulness would have passed. Hence I stuck with here, largely lurking.
But picking up Heno's point; is anyone allowed to set up a page using a band's name? Are the band allowed to ask that group to desist using their name? Or do the band have a particular problem in that they have used a historical name that in effect belongs to no-one and everyone?
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But picking up Heno's point; is anyone allowed to set up a page using a band's name? Are the band allowed to ask that group to desist using their name? Or do the band have a particular problem in that they have used a historical name that in effect belongs to no-one and everyone?
Good question. I don't actually know. I guess it is like the internet where you can buy any domain name.
To my knowledge issues got out of hand more recently but I don't check the page all that much. So until then there might have been no reason to have a problem with the page's name. I'm sure that they would change their name if asked by the band. But I'm probably the wrong person to ask as I am really not very involved in that group.
As for Facebook, I maintain that it is what you want it to be. Like the internet itself. However, like all social media, it enables some people to act out of line whilst hiding behind their keyboards. I still think that it is those people that are the problem and not Facebook.
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Ok fair enough.
I wasn't around In the early days so would not have known that.i have been told that one group of fans in the 80s stomped a guys head in at a gig.
I find it totally disgusting and uncivilized to do such a thing.
Why did the band attract such people and why be territorial about liking a band?
I am new to following bands. This is the forst band I saw more than 1 or 2 times.
I don't get the hierarchy bushit that some fans believe.
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If you look at the lyrics of some of the early songs they are very angry lyrics, angry at the world, angry at society. They spoke to some people who were similarly angry, but perhaps not in charge of their emotions or their behaviour, particularly when they had a load of beer. late 70s early 80s Britain was a place in quite a lot of turmoil and NMA were not the only band with violent fans (Jesus & Mary Chain to name but one). There was violence at football matches. Just to give a few examples. (and not to condone)
the bands lyrics and the stories they tell have changed over the years. Some of the anger is now sadness (see Modern Times)
Why be territorial about a band? at the risk of sounding like I'm quoting the band to prove a point, look at the lyrics of Family - "Looking for family, looking for tribe" - Justin says it so succinctly I don't need to say more.
I don't care about any so-called hierarchy; to many eyes I'm not a true fan because I don't follow the band from gig to gig - but I'm comfortable with myself and my like of this band and their music. Whisper it, but not all of my politics is always in synch with all feelings posted on here either - but I don't care. I don't need NMA to tell me my politics - but I find their music inspiring, thought provoking, mind-changing, passionate, emotional. And that's what it is all about IMO
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Well, these people don't do much for the reputation of the english. Physical violence is never okay no matter what they drink. I am often angry but listen to angry music to deal with it. I don't hurt someone so there is no reason for anyone to do it.
Dedicated is understandable but acting like you own a band and it's your territory it stupid. Art belongs to everyone not a few people who follow the band obsessively. I am guilty of following a lot but I do not think that I own the band or lyrics. I don't have the most supportive family either and connected with the song but would not interpret it as the band being my territory.
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I meant it more as needing somewhere to belong, not as owning the band. And people get tribal, defend their tribe; it's easy when you're part of a crowd because you can lose a sense of personal responsibility, and you feel part of something.
Does it make right? No way.
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I`m not a member of FB or twitter and try my very best no to be forced to register using that kind of social media to find the informations I want or to stay in contact with other people
So I know nothing about that first shitstorm at the end of 2013 or the one now
I try not to feed trolls and to ignore personal troll postings (perhaps troll is a very kind word for that kind of nasty posters are mentioned here)
and Viv is doing fine that administration job here
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That's the whole problem there. The admins delete spam but don't lead or tell people to be nice. The old admin Gothwin started to do it and it was great. Then they played the free speech card. He set up nice rules but left. I don't blame him.
Wanting to be part of something is natural but can also can mean being cruel to someone who they view as an outsiders. Like gangs or some evil philosophy.
I don't interpret the song as meaning pack-dog mentality but I guess some do.
I am excluded from almost every tribe so don't know the feeling of inclusion too well. I know the outsider feeling though. It's not a gang though. It's people who like the same band.
I am learning that it doesn't mean too much. It doesn't mean a person is nice or that you want to spend time with them. It's foolish to think that too and I was naive enough to think that once.
I have met some really good friends and very kind people through liking this band. However being an NMA fan doesn't automatically mean you are nice.
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Whatever they want from you - you don't have to give
Whatever they say to you - you don't have to give
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Well, this really is a a bit of a meandering thread...................
I'm not defending/attacking anyone but is it a good idea to be discussing a particular group and using names in this way? Poking a dog with a stick comes to mind.
I would suggest that there are good & bad groups of folk across all social media and across all sorts of interests. Humans form groups as a natural tendency and seeing as humanity is such a varied thing then it seems blindingly obvious that so such groups will vary. I suspect that any number of bands/artists/sporting clubs/hobby groups etc etc find themselves with similar issues. And I'm sure that it occurs amongst all nationalities not just the English.
Like minded people come together in real life so they will in social media. Is there a place in the world where people don't form groups? So Master Ray - I imagine over in the other place you are likely to find a bit of a mixed bag :P
Must admit I'm a bit perplexed as to why anyone would think that because they happen to share a musical interest with someone they would imagine a broader connection. It's just a bunch of guys banging out some tunes, not a manual for life.
I must declare that I'm a bit of a Jon Snow because other than here I don't do social media at all ;D
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Depending on old fans, aggression in eighties etc. the bands cannot choose their fans in a long term. It would be ridiculous to think what would had JS & co do if they'd see someone kicking someone's head. Although it's not unreal to happen in this crazy world, but I'm quite sure at least they would ask them to stop it of course.
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I think demand not ask. Kicking in someone's head is sick. I am guessing they would shout at them to stop. possibly even get off of the stage. That could kill somebody.
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Really rather glad I started this thread... such a passionate debate that I've hugely enjoyed reading...
Firstly, it confirms what I've always thought, that this Forum is far and away the BEST place to come and be part of an NMA community... anything untoward gets stamped on pretty quickly... cheers, not just to Viv but all the other fine folks who share the same ideals. We might squabble a bit but we get through, in the end...
Secondly, it's a reminder about how we all might like to think 'we are old we are young, we are in this together...', there is still a tiny faction who take the music of this magnificent band and twist it to their own opinions / ideals... and not in a nice way. I haven't seen a fight break out at a gig in a good long while, but it deffo happened back in 'dem old days'. Seems like it still happens, just on the internet... well, gotta be better than kicking someones face in, eh?
I think I'm gonna check out the NMA FB pages. I suspect I won't stay there long.
Thanks for all those posts!
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This forum is a lot more civil. In the other place, this would be a nasty debate but not here. You can have a serious, deep conversation here.
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yep, theres another one fooled
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Oh Ray, did you have to reawaken "Forum V Facebook" ::)
I have looked in the past at the F/B NMA group in the past via my Son's F/B account. To me the discussion looks very similar to here - NMA trivia that no one outside of liking the band would be remotely interested in. No longer feel I am missing out on anything. At the end of the day, you cannot meet every other NMA fan and get involved with every group and discussion. This forum provides enough interest for me. I am aware there is a well attended NMA forum in Germany. I do not feel I am missing out not knowing what is happening there either.
When it was mentioned here that more nastiness had occurred on the F/B group, I went to have a look out of morbid curiosity, and found that it is now a closed group. Personally I am glad - now I know there is no point me giving it a second thought. I accept there are things I may be missing out on such as meet-ups before gigs, etc, but even from being on here, I have only met up with 4 people in the flesh having arranged it here. At gigs I regularly see several people that I have only contacted at the gigs themselves.
If some people like to do both forum and F/B then fair enough. Personally I agree with Heno. I like the umbrella of common sense provided here by V/S to make sure we all play nicely ;)
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Too be honest Im not connected with fb so I was wondering right now is this theme still active ? Talked about it with Joolz 1 year ago ......
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Depending on old fans, aggression in eighties etc. the bands cannot choose their fans in a long term. It would be ridiculous to think what would had JS & co do if they'd see someone kicking someone's head. Although it's not unreal to happen in this crazy world, but I'm quite sure at least they would ask them to stop it of course.
Yes and no. If NMA had written pop songs about love and peace and flowers they would have ended up with an entirely different audience. That doesn't mean that they are responsible for every idiot that follows them. But if you write a lot of songs about hate, anger and frustration you are setting the scene for some of those emotions to manifest themselves in ways that you may not have intended. The band have long since moved on but a small number of their fans haven't.
And as for the FB page, I think we all agree that this forum is a far better platform for interesting discussions. To me it's an 'as well as' rather than an 'either/or' thing. The group has over 5000 members and only a small but vocal minority give it a bad name. Bottom line: You're really not missing anything special but it does have the odd interesting thread.
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Too be honest Im not connected with fb so I was wondering right now is this theme still active ? Talked about it with Joolz 1 year ago ......
Not the same. I am now the one who is hated.
I didn't get their English sense of humor. I took it as offensive and then they attacked my mental health. They used stupid jokes and banter in between to hide the nastiness. But got really personal. one person even asked who had met me. It gave them an excuse to
attack my personality. I think the feeling is worse than being shoved against the wall by a school yard bully.
Then people who I have blocked all chimed in on the several gossip posts that spun off from the argument.
I asked someone to please stop posting about me indirectly and am accused of telling someone how to behave.
They don't try to listen at all. Bystanders say it's two sides. Well, no I didn't call anyone stupid *****, of inferior intelligence and attack their mental health. I would never.
I am actually very glad to read Vivs post that this is behavior is no approved by the band.
I how
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Your better off out the Facebook group Amanda. Everything in life is an experienced gained good or bad. I'm saddened to think that such a group exists, in the real world I've always found nma fans extremely decent people and I've got nothing but good to say about the people who follow the band. This is the only social media that I use twitter Facebook etc just isn't for me maybe I'm a bit old fashioned and from last non cyber generation n don't really get it
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you know amanda, i like the way you cause us all here to think over our reasons for doing things. and for some there is an obvious generation gap both in terms of age and also in terms of how long people have followed nma. i was introduced in the late 80s so do not have the longevity of others but am still as aged as most.
you also must comprehend why people react a particular way. you see folks here react sometimes to what we ask or say and we can't comprehend the response. and here we are the most inclusive group of cyber friends i have ever known to exist. and it can still get heated.
and 90 per cent of human communications is not oral. and facebook is almost exclusively oral. go figure just how much people can determine the context of what you say if they can't see, hear (tone) or sense you when you are typing. but if people take the time to listen, debate, accept, understand, and even meet occasionally like members here then that goes some way to negating the lack of the 90 per cent we miss online. you have probably heard the term mindblind. well everyone on the internet is mindblind. now imagine the whole world was mindblind? well on facebook they are. social media? once again the real power of technology has been hijacked for corporate profit instead of social inclusion and the trolls only keep the hits high. facebook preys on the emotions and insecurities of people in way that is worse than tv. and with mobile people have it with them 24/7.
what i learned about facebook when looking at the social intelligence side of it was that there is nothing social about fb. and that anyone can pretend to be anyone without fear of being found out. i am not saying that anonymity is a bad thing. but it shouldn't be used to do or say something you wouldn't otherwise. i tried some time to even my wit on facebook and other places. there is no way that can happen. you can think you are right. you can think your logic stands up. you can think more people might support your view because it makes sense. you can think again.....but i pretty much guarantee you that the people who are so nasty in these groups are also striking fear into the vast majority of good people whose natural instinct is to step away for fear of attracting the next insult to themselves. its exclusive media for those who can shit out more crap faster than anyone else.
i live in a small town. lots of people i know in real life were friends on facebook. i started to dislike people because of what they said about others i know. i thought it unfair because the people they were putting down had no power to reply. there were things being said that if said in front of me i would have to say you are bang out of order. but facebook doesn't really get the message across. they can't see your eyes or notice that others have the same opinion and they can continue to be insulting. and you can get frustrated because it is not natural to be as big a prick as the person agitating. you end up having to be a bigger prick to get anywhere. you suddenly find you are someone you don't want to be. and for what? not to be seen to back down? nah, the best thing to do is to back down permanently. get out of dodge. fast.
facebook is the perfect place for people to project what they want you to see. there is nothing genuine in that. nothing real. and certainly nothing social. and when you look at the amount of people that are using it, seeking the constantly updated content, consuming anything that is new, feverishly checking for updates to stave off the anxiety of Fear Of Missing Out, it is fairly apparent to me that people are addicted and in denial about it. and as with any abuse of something, there are those that have a higher tolerance than others, and those that have no control over their habit, there are those that get more of a kick from your reaction when they provoke it than most do out of having a fb post liked by 50 people. it is these almost psychopathic people that are the real problem due to their lack of empathy with someone's feelings in a social setting. they spot nice people a mile away, know they will have no defense, and go for the kill. a kill from behind the safety screen of their computer. sounds more like something a coward would do. probably relates to the fact that they have been mistreated in real life when younger and now have to transfer that onto others. complicated stuff i know.
but be sure it is not your fault that they are idiots. it is your fault if you keep going back to verify that they are idiots. if you know what i mean.
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or maybe i'm just not suited to facebook
i guess there is much less privacy on facebook and much less protection. read somewhere that you don's see all your friends updates. you only see a selection. that would be weird. and there are wonderful people and some stunning content. and probably only certain groups get hijacked. and there are only so many trolls.
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You don't like it much, do you ;).
At the risk of repeating myself, I still maintain that Facebook is what you want it to be. If your 'friends' fill your news feed with unpleasant, random or plain boring content then that says more about your friends than about Facebook.
I probably use Facebook in a slightly different manner than the average user. For example, I run a sighting network for some endangered whale species that we get here off New Zealand. Facebook enables me to reach hundreds of people for free who will happily tell me what they see out on the water. These sightings make a lot of my research possible and ultimately help the protection of these whales. Furthermore, it gets everyone directly involved in the project and raises public awareness. Without Facebook, this would be a lot harder and far more expensive. Facebook helps me to keep up with the work of groups that I am interested in without having to go into lots of different websites all the time. It's a great tool for spreading and obtaining information but not so good for having discussions. The downside of course is that it is also great for spreading misinformation but so is any media.
That's what I mean when I say it is what you want it to be. I have no interest in people's squabbling but that is easily avoided. Don't like a group? Leave it. Somebody annoys you? Block or unfriend them. Life is too short to get caught up in the negative stuff. Luckily I am old enough to know which battles to pick and which to walk away from. Why have a fight with a fictitious stranger when you could learn something interesting or get some support for something that means something to you? Facebook is all those things.
I agree that to many people it is like a drug and it's not very 'social'. It's also the perfect platform for bullying and other nastiness. I still think that the bullies are the real problem though. So in that respect Facebook gives you an unfiltered view of the people that you share this planet with. And that is both frightening and heartening.
It also seems to have peaked and I fear that the next big thing won't be any better.
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The page is now "unofficial", this was explained by admin and every person that commented on the name change asked reasonable questions, tried to view it as a fresh start for the page.....all except one person who was quite persistent in trying to drag up past arguments, no one took the bait, one person remarked 2 or 3 times that we should move on but no, this one person kept on agitating, I'll give you 3 guesses who? Happily it didn't work and they sloped off in a huff. Quite rightly the band don't want to be associated with it in light of the bickering but as for viciousness etc well that is open to opinion.
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Actually,no. I was trying to get them to address past bullying behavior. But no, they won't because the admin only cares about harmless spam not hurting an actual person.
I actually have a name and it's not "a certain person." I walked away from it and enjoyed the sunshine because that's what I enjoy.
Now, I left the ******* hate group as nobody will recognize the behavior.
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Amandastan, hun, it is safe to post here.
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It's safe but Archway is trying to bring it here.
Cyberbullying is a serious issue and it is harmful that the group ignore it.
It has driven people to suicide and needs to be addressed. I no longer care though. I dont enjoy sitting behind a computer and making people cry. If i did, i would apologize and not deny that it happened.
This has happene since 2013 and I am tired of being the subject of hatred. Find a new scapegoat.
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Will this never end? Amanda, I have explained to you that there is no hatred and bad feeling from myself I just cannot understand how you cannot see that your behaviour, SOMETIMES, smacks of the self pitying. Others on here possibly/probably never have had anything to do with the FB website and have only your word for how things have played out and I'm sure that most have taken all the info with a pinch of salt. I am not bringing anything to this webpage apart from a word or two in my defence. The incidents you mention in 2013 were absolutely nothing to do with me as I had left the FB page and not been active on here for 3 months either side of the troubles due to online bullying I received about my views on BDAW the difference was I didn't go seeking to slate anyone I just removed myself from it all. Suffice to say I "unfriended" the people who I felt had bullied me an I haven't reconnected with them to this day. We have exchanged private messages Amanda, I'd rather do that than justify myself for all to see on here or FB but you have chosen this course of action and I have a right to put my side forward. You know how to get hold of me privately if you choose, I wish you no harm and never have.
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I am not seeking attention nor do I pity myself. I was just really hurt as this (NMA not the forum) is my escape from a shitty life.
I never said your name or that you did anything. You are not responsible for the actions of your friends and sorry if you think i am blaming you. Sorry to hear you were being bullied. I know the feeling.
I feel I misinterpreted your post. After reading it again it doesn't seem mean.
I do not post for attention or sympathy. I post what I am feeling at the time.I know many are better at thinking before typing but I am not.
nor do I walk away easy if I feel attacked. I don't get your humor but will apologize if it seemed I was blaming you. It is the admins fault for allowing total anarchy.
Despite what you think I didn't want an argument. I wanted the admin to take responsibility and stop Ignoring every issue. I hope that group just shuts down to be honest.
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So...popped into the NMA FB thing.
Gave it a go and popped right out again.
Some decent folks there, and respect to them, but it's not for me.
IMO, HERE is the best place for all those NMA talkings...
Sorry, looks like you're all stuck with my usual silly babblings...
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If you leave a fire to burn it will burn itself away
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So...popped into the NMA FB thing.
Gave it a go and popped right out again.
Some decent folks there, and respect to them, but it's not for me.
IMO, HERE is the best place for all those NMA talkings...
Sorry, looks like you're all stuck with my usual silly babblings...
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Welcome back. I like it here better too. Deeper conversations and better in my opinion.