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Title: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 13, 2015, 03:33:27 PM
Someone said that humor can be found in everything. well, I disagree. There are some serious matter that will never be funny. In fact I find it disturbing when people do find these things funny.

I think one thing that should never be used for the sake of a joke is the Holocaust and hitler.  It is never funny and I am disturbed to find that some actually find it funny.  :o :'(

Another thing is racist jokes or sexist jokes. Jokes where a man tells a woman to get back in the kitchen really piss me off.

Another are mental health jokes.

Another is jokes that actually hurt someone's feelings. I get that sometimes you don't know but if you continue to joke at the expense of another's emotions then it's never okay.


I guess it's basically a major injustice and bigotry which i feel should not be a joke.

What do you think?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Spudthemariner on August 13, 2015, 04:35:02 PM

I think one thing that should never be used for the sake of a joke is the Holocaust and hitler.  It is never funny and I am disturbed to find that some actually find it funny.  :o :'(


So satirical films and plays such as The Producers, The Great Dictator etc should be banned?

Hmm....

Personally I think that humor can be found in most situations, however, its not always appropriate to all audiences. I'm in the military, there is is stuff that 'we' find very very funny that some civilians would find very disturbing. Again, its all about the appropriate audience, (except blatant racism and sexism of course, which I think most quite rightly abhor).     
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: BlackCountryMaggiD on August 13, 2015, 05:13:07 PM
What do you find funny Amanda? What makes you laugh?

You should watch My Führer (German: Mein Führer – Die wirklich wahrste Wahrheit über Adolf Hitler)
The subject matter as you suggested is risque but it had me laughing out loud!

Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Pol on August 13, 2015, 06:41:28 PM
Seems like these days almost anything is fair game, times change with attitude look at some of the stuff that Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr can say and yes I'm gonna have the balls to admit some of is funny yes deeply sick and offence with it.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 13, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
It's all about context.

For example... 'What's the difference between a loaf of bread and a Jew?  A loaf of bread doesn't scream when you put it in the oven!'

Disgusting, sick joke and I'd want to punch anyone who told it to me.  As anyone might want to punch me for telling it... sorry, making a point here.   :-\

But humour has been found in the whole Nazi thing, from Charlie Chaplin onwards.  Likewise, any contentious issue you care to mention.  Race, sexism, violence, hatred, anything you care to mention.  It's about what the comedian does with it and the point they are trying to make.  You ever heard that Lenny Bruce sketch where he mentions the n-word over and over again... potentially horribly racist, but check it out, there's a point... I'll wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfNhiRGQ-js

Still here?

My favourite comedian is Jim Jeffries, check his stuff out on Youtube.  His last live show mentioned gun / school murders, rape, racism and the Reeva Steenkamp murder.  Horrible subjects... but there was always a POINT to make at the end of it about how utter fucked up and ridiculous the human race are!  Offensive, possibly, but very clever and intelligent.

I think I can only offer you the BRASS EYE special from 2001, the one about paedophiles.  I can think of no subject less suited for comedy but, damn, it's so clever and, yes, very funny... (please, only click on this if you're not affected by these issues... it is rather hardcore comedy...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU

Interesting thread.

Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Bunny on August 13, 2015, 08:20:36 PM
Well. I guess as some have already said its context. I dont beleive in banning comedy. In the same way I dont beleive in banning any art, unless its gonna get to children.

Interesting point Wessex made about that joke. However, if say a Jewish comedian told it, is still offensive?? Similarily Sasha Baron Cohen has mocked Jews and Judaism being Jewish.

Personally, I couldnt stand Bernard Manning but I wouldnt ban him.
I think its about knowing your audience. Or sticking to knock knock jokes because something is always offensive to someone. Sometimes dark humour is a coping mechanism.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 13, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
If you makes jokes about the dictator, it's not as bad I guess. I think it's funny to make jokes about Putin with his shirt off because it looks egotistical and ridiculous. 

What do I find funny?
some things but i can't think of it now.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 13, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
I didn't see a message from Wessex about that joke..?

Again, I was posting something awful to make a point...?

Am I somehow barred from some peoples messages?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Bunny on August 13, 2015, 09:49:07 PM
Sorry MR/ Wessexy. It was your joke MR. Dunno why I thought Wessexy. Its not like I think of her all the time









 ;) ;D mwahahaaaaaaaaa.....point still stands though.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 13, 2015, 10:13:24 PM
No worries, mate... Master Ray / Wessexy?  Almost identical!

 ;)

Agree with your point.  Mr Cohen, in his comedy, has done potentially shocking stuff about the Jewish people despite being Jewish himself... and it's very funny.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Bunny on August 13, 2015, 10:16:54 PM
Similarily black people making stereotypical black jokes. Funny. But if a non- black person said them it would be racist. Im not sure I think thats fair but hey ho. What do I know?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 13, 2015, 10:23:26 PM
I do like this sketch, about how white folks can get awkward around black folks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLJc92S5J0A&index=1&list=PL5A4nPQbUF8AiZ5GmDLN8v-mtA1suBN8n


 ;D
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Wessexy Witch on August 14, 2015, 01:05:18 PM
Sorry MR/ Wessexy. It was your joke MR. Dunno why I thought Wessexy. Its not like I think of her all the time







 ;) ;D mwahahaaaaaaaaa.....point still stands though.

Stop blaming me for shite going down on here !

 :D
No pervy thoughts neither !
 :P
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Bunny on August 14, 2015, 03:13:29 PM
Bugger all point me ever posting again ha ha ;D
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Shush on August 14, 2015, 09:41:39 PM
I think some jokes can cause offence and re-enforce stereotypes. I remember back in the 80's most jokes seemed to be about the Irish being unintelligent. In the States at the time the Poles were the target of the same, I am told on the continent the Belgians were the target.  I grew up believing the Irish were that way after hearing so many jokes in person and on the Telly saying so. Thankfully this genre of comedy no longer seems to be around.
No more "Paddy and Murphy" jokes  !!
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 17, 2015, 09:11:33 PM
Another is jokes that actually hurt someone's feelings. I get that sometimes you don't know but if you continue to joke at the expense of another's emotions then it's never okay.

So what is there left to joke about then? Any joke is going to probably find someone who will get offended. The trouble with today is people look for offence, often where none is intended.

Soooo tell us what is left to joke about then?

Jokes also can be the most cutting way to destroy a bigot and bigotry by the way. So by your logic if a bigot or racist or homophobe is offended by a joke at their expense, should we ban those jokes as well? Or is it only jokes that you don't like?

ps The Producers poke fun at Hitler and the Nazis and is hilarious!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 18, 2015, 12:52:12 PM
If it hurts someone, it should mean to stop joking about the subject.
Maybe if it'a about the actual dictator it's okay but if it's a negative joke about concentration camps or jewish people, then it is disgusting. 

In all honesty sometimes people just need to be serious. Humor is not always useful. you need to be serious about some things. 
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Stephanie on August 19, 2015, 02:22:46 PM
This is really a very interesting topic - it's probably impossible to reach an agreement - but many interesting points have been made.

Context certainly matters a lot - and audience - and then it matters WHO is telling the joke. I don't know most of the comedians mentioned in this thread but I assume they are pretty much like comedians here (= Germany). There are some I really love - and their comedy could be considered racists, sexist, anti-semitic...only I do know that the ones I like are actually certainly not racist (sexist, etc) at all but use comedy as a means to point out certain issues, things that are, in their opinion, wrong with society, politcs, these days. You have to get it, though, and to know what their actual stance on these things is.
Same goes for telling jokes in private - I can laugh my sorry behind of at most of the jokes my dad tells, no matter how "politically incorrect" they may be. But then I know how he really feels about these topics and am aware that he is really only being a clown and HE knows I know that and won't be offended and he also knows I am quite capable of differentiating between what's being said in a joke and what is going on in real life.

So I guess if you are amongst friends who know each other really weel - you can joke about anything. Amongst strangers or on the internet - well, the danger of being completely misunderstood is quite high so it's probably good to think twice at times.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 19, 2015, 08:03:33 PM
I used to work for the NHS, mainly amongst nurses... some people would be shocked at what I heard them saying sometimes amidst discreet company... but when you work in a job where you see people die and suffer almost every day?  It was a necessary pressure valve to release what can be so upsetting... otherwise, the tide of upset might overwhelm.



Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 19, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
In all honesty sometimes people just need to be serious. Humor is not always useful. you need to be serious about some things.

True. But isn't that the problem these days, people are too ******* serious about everything. Lighten up world!
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 19, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
To add on to my previous post... humour is a massive and crucial defence mechanism against the utter shithole that is the world today.  You can't let it drag you under.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: szmurf on August 20, 2015, 12:43:52 AM
Didn't watch any of those videos that you mentioned MR, but doubt I would find jokes about rape and school shootings funny.

Seems like I remember a comic in Germany or France that got in trouble for being a Holocaust Denier.  A year back or so.  I don't see the humor in that either.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: BlackCountryMaggiD on August 20, 2015, 01:58:19 PM


In all honesty sometimes people just need to be serious. Humor is not always useful. you need to be serious about some things.
And vice-versa!

Have you remembered anything that makes you laugh yet Amanda apart from Putin with his shirt off?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 20, 2015, 06:42:52 PM
To add on to my previous post... humour is a massive and crucial defence mechanism against the utter shithole that is the world today.  You can't let it drag you under.

MR, can I ask. Where is this stuff coming from?  :)

The world is not a shithole. Beautiful days, kids playing, blue skies, mountains, spring rain, generosity of spirit (yes it is still there in the vast majority) sun/rain/snow. 

To add to this, whatever our politics and beliefs, we are privileged to live in the west and the UK, we do have clean water, infrastructure, access (free at the point of) to first world advanced medicines, there is some sort of safety net for those less fortunate (we can argue how effective but it is there), we score high on many of the life indexes.

All I am saying is compared to North Korea, Sierra Leone, the surface of Venus, living in a Favela, living in places where genocide exists, I don't know why you would describe our geopolitical position as a shithole. Setting our standards against Utopia, ok I see your point, but that is unfeasible.

Can I ask? Do you have a partner, a loved one, family who you can talk to as you and some others sound as if you internalize and magnify the negatives and don't see any positives and that way lies the abyss. I'm starting to worry about you matey!  :)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 20, 2015, 06:45:22 PM
Ok I think I've got one Amanda might approve of; non racist, non offensive;

I've got a pet snail, and took his shell off to see if he could move a bit faster without the weight on his back. But all he got was a lot more sluggish! (Oh yeah!)  :D
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 20, 2015, 07:58:29 PM
Ba-dum tish, Idopas!

Thanks for your concern, mate.  And you're right... in a way.  Compared to others, we have it so damn easy.

But that's a case of misunderstanding the nature of someone who suffers from depression.  I know that there are others on this Forum who have the same condition.  I'm sure there was a thread about this awhile back.  There is no logic to it... there are people who have everything you can think of and still spend some days barely able to function.  It's a bit like saying to someone with MS 'hey, at least you don't have cancer!'

I do try and not bring it here, but it slips out sometimes.  You can't help it.  Yes, my personal situation isn't great right now, but I can think of back when things were much better and I still had black days.  If I won the bloody lottery, them black days would still happen!

One of the best descriptions of depression I ever heard was that 'it's like living your life with a layer of skin missing'.  Ie, stuff that you should just shrug off and shouldn't touch you REALLY gets to you.

But, to make this relevant to this thread, I can laugh about it, as do friends of mine!  It's something I can do little about (and please, don't suggest anti-depressant drugs, HATED the way they made me not happy, just numb and permanently tired!) so I take it on the fuckin' chin and get on with it.  Hopefully with a few dark jokes along the way because that's my favourite style of humour.  Actually, I'd love it if anyone here has a joke or two about depression, I'll be the first one to laugh!

I know, it's kind of a see-saw way to live, but it's the only one I got...

 ;)

 
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 20, 2015, 08:06:20 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 20, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do

Gotta disagree, with the greatest of respect, my friend.  It's a community of like-minded folks who talk about anything and everything that might be on their minds but who came here thanks to the magnificence of NMA.  I've made great friends here who I all too rarely meet but can be in touch with every day, if I want to.

If all you want to talk about is NMA, then go for it, I respect that, totally.  But the 'everything else' thread is about... well, everything else.

Look forward to your threads on the specific NMA forums, mate!   :)

Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 20, 2015, 08:25:08 PM
I find many things funny.  Not bullying someone with internet memes to make it look polite. And using Hitler to make it feel threatening.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 20, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
thank you for enlightening me ray. I will, of course take your research with me
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 20, 2015, 08:33:53 PM
Didn't watch any of those videos that you mentioned MR, but doubt I would find jokes about rape and school shootings funny.

Seems like I remember a comic in Germany or France that got in trouble for being a Holocaust Denier.  A year back or so.  I don't see the humor in that either.

Szmurf... again, it's about the context.  If you might be upset about those issues, then don't go there.  Rape and school shootings are horrible things.  BUT... people deal with horrible things in different ways and one of those things is humour.  To put another example forward... during the Bosnian War, the people of Sarajevo (subject to constant utility blackouts) had a running joke about 'we'd be better off in Belsen... at least they turned on the gas...'

Sick? Awful? Doubtlessly. But these were desperate people scrabbing for what scraps of dignity and amusement they could find in a truly desperate situation.  Who would begrudge them that?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 20, 2015, 10:50:35 PM
ldopas. you have been spouting politics and statistics for years. please feel free to overlook this post. but, have you ever heard of a band called New Model Army?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 20, 2015, 10:57:37 PM
ldopas. you have been spouting politics and statistics for years. please feel free to overlook this post. but, have you ever heard of a band called New Model Army?

Coumarin, gotta say, you're confusing me a bit... feel free to PM me if there's something that's bothering you... Idopas has posted plenty about NMA...  :(
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Bunny on August 21, 2015, 01:09:55 PM
And in honesty while I may not agreecwith Idopas in some things, he does offer a balanced view and reasoning behind his posts.

We cant talk NMA constantly. That will dry up quickly.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: BlackCountryMaggiD on August 21, 2015, 01:24:04 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do

Actually Martin this is teh Everything Else section!


You may not agree with ldopas or others but as long as the debate remains good natured what's the problem?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 21, 2015, 02:15:30 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do
I always thought it was a she.
Actually Martin this is teh Everything Else section!


You may not agree with ldopas or others but as long as the debate remains good natured what's the problem?

I always though Idopas was a she. I don't dislike them and think they are entitled to express their opinion.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Red on August 21, 2015, 02:58:28 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do
I always thought it was a she.
Actually Martin this is teh Everything Else section!


You may not agree with ldopas or others but as long as the debate remains good natured what's the problem?

I always though Idopas was a she. I don't dislike them and think they are entitled to express their opinion.

As is everyone :)

We all have differing opinons and views about everything. would be a boring world if we all agreed all the time :) :)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Shush on August 21, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
Personally, I have always liked the fact that Idopas often throws in a counter opinion, and does so not necessarily saying that is what he believes.  Have seen people rubbed up the wrong way by it in the past, but offering the other side of the coin creates debate, or as some may see it a challenge or grounds for an argument. Its no debate without both sides of opinion. No debate, what's the point of  the "everything else" part of the forum ?  :-\
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 21, 2015, 07:34:37 PM
Agree with Shush... well, I usually do, but... I've butted heads with Idopas a couple of times, but he's also posted some supportive stuff in regards to myself...

Really not sure what the issue is here...
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:01:52 PM
Ba-dum tish, Idopas!

Thanks for your concern, mate.  And you're right... in a way.  Compared to others, we have it so damn easy.

But that's a case of misunderstanding the nature of someone who suffers from depression.  I know that there are others on this Forum who have the same condition.  I'm sure there was a thread about this awhile back.  There is no logic to it... there are people who have everything you can think of and still spend some days barely able to function.  It's a bit like saying to someone with MS 'hey, at least you don't have cancer!'

I do try and not bring it here, but it slips out sometimes.  You can't help it.  Yes, my personal situation isn't great right now, but I can think of back when things were much better and I still had black days.  If I won the bloody lottery, them black days would still happen!

One of the best descriptions of depression I ever heard was that 'it's like living your life with a layer of skin missing'.  Ie, stuff that you should just shrug off and shouldn't touch you REALLY gets to you.

But, to make this relevant to this thread, I can laugh about it, as do friends of mine!  It's something I can do little about (and please, don't suggest anti-depressant drugs, HATED the way they made me not happy, just numb and permanently tired!) so I take it on the fuckin' chin and get on with it.  Hopefully with a few dark jokes along the way because that's my favourite style of humour.  Actually, I'd love it if anyone here has a joke or two about depression, I'll be the first one to laugh!

I know, it's kind of a see-saw way to live, but it's the only one I got...

 ;)

Ah, apologies I missed the fact you suffered depression. I'm lucky I don't. I get down now and again but I realise that isn't even approaching what you suffer from. And I guess being "down" you have the ability to self motivate and get "up", where you probably do not have that. My best wishes are with you!

Well keep on keeping on I say!  :)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:04:38 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do

Hold on!

Where has anyone argued? Amanda posted an interesting point and we all put our views. Some people agree, some don't.

Why do you take an interesting subject where no one has been objectionable and come here and be rude to me without any justification?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:05:25 PM
ldopas. you have been spouting politics and statistics for years. please feel free to overlook this post. but, have you ever heard of a band called New Model Army?

Coumarin, gotta say, you're confusing me a bit... feel free to PM me if there's something that's bothering you... Idopas has posted plenty about NMA...  :(

Thanks you MR, I admit that unwarranted insult did tick me off a bit! It came from nowhere, pretty rude I think.


Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:06:39 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do
I always thought it was a she.
Actually Martin this is teh Everything Else section!


You may not agree with ldopas or others but as long as the debate remains good natured what's the problem?

I always though Idopas was a she. I don't dislike them and think they are entitled to express their opinion.

Again thank you Amanda, your controversial posts actual make the topics enjoyable.

And Ldopas is all man, sorry!  ;)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:09:39 PM
Personally, I have always liked the fact that Idopas often throws in a counter opinion, and does so not necessarily saying that is what he believes.  Have seen people rubbed up the wrong way by it in the past, but offering the other side of the coin creates debate, or as some may see it a challenge or grounds for an argument. Its no debate without both sides of opinion. No debate, what's the point of  the "everything else" part of the forum ?  :-\

Again thank you.

I realise that at the mo I am probably right of centre. But I am a long term NMA fan and also I like the fact that people here are intelligent and DONT agree with me. Why on earth would any discussion be interesting if we all agreed?  :)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:10:49 PM
And in honesty while I may not agreecwith Idopas in some things, he does offer a balanced view and reasoning behind his posts.

We cant talk NMA constantly. That will dry up quickly.

Again another thank you. But please my friend you are granting me WAY too much credit with the "balanced view and reasoning"!  ;)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:12:22 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do

Actually Martin this is teh Everything Else section!


You may not agree with ldopas or others but as long as the debate remains good natured what's the problem?

Thanks. And these debates I think are reasonably balanced and good natured I always thought so I'm a tad confused at to the comment just made about me (and pumpkin who doesn't seem to post as much these days).
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: ldopas on August 22, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
ldopas. you have been spouting politics and statistics for years. please feel free to overlook this post. but, have you ever heard of a band called New Model Army?

Yes, and have you heard of a part of the board that we are in called "Everything Else"? And a topic about what is and isn't appropriate to joke about?

So really inserting this post, it is you who is off topic and not a little rude.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Pol on August 22, 2015, 02:07:09 PM
Since its out there idopas , do you actually like new model army I've never seen you comment on anything that they have ever done, or talk about a gig you have been to , just wondering
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 22, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
I don't think anyone would be here if they did not like NMA?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 22, 2015, 04:25:27 PM
I have an apology to make

to the whole board and ldopas in particular. im sorry for what I said in that post. its my round mate. ive been on here only briefly in recent years and misjudged things now. I want join in again. I feel that ive moved on and would like to thank everyone here for their patience and tolerance during the time I went through my private hell

ldopas I was out of order. we shouldn't squabble or engage in mud slinging as a fan base, but debate is good

respect to all
martin
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 22, 2015, 06:21:13 PM
It's OK, Martin... I've posted stuff here that I've not been proud of.

Please keep posting!
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 22, 2015, 06:39:11 PM
im guilty of that sin too in the past ray. anyway ive upset a few people, which was allowed then! but not now it seems. in the age of mods........ I will speak to viv savage, the member of the fictional band "spinal tap" if she has a problem
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 22, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
I used to enjoy a chat with sequoia225 on here, an American fan, I think she got disgruntled with intrusive admin after a short return. I may be wrong
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 22, 2015, 07:21:08 PM
im guilty of that sin too in the past ray. anyway ive upset a few people, which was allowed then! but not now it seems. in the age of mods........ I will speak to viv savage, the member of the fictional band "spinal tap" if she has a problem

But I don't think you have REALLY upset people, just invited a bit of disagreement!  God knows there was someone else here this year who really kicked off a shitstorm... again, feel free to PM me, those chats are always private...
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 22, 2015, 07:27:38 PM
maybe he needs a little space
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 22, 2015, 07:47:44 PM
You apologize yet now take a shot at the moderators?  Sorry but mods are needed and I don't think the ones here are intrusive.

If it was a joke, it went way over my head and sorry.
but I think it's not. I don't get why people critizise admins for trying to get people to be respectful and civil.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 22, 2015, 08:26:55 PM
Amanda. take it or leave it. personally I couldn't give a toss, and you know what my personality is
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 23, 2015, 06:52:18 AM
I don't know as I don't know who you are.People are calling you Martin so I know a few Martins but am not going to guess. If it's humor then I don't get it.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 23, 2015, 11:54:53 AM
yes my name is martin. I think it is derived from "mars" a chocolate bar
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 23, 2015, 11:56:34 AM
I could be wrong of course
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Amandistan on August 23, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
I guess I have no sense of humor then.
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 23, 2015, 01:35:54 PM
if you say so....its nothing to be laughed at though
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 23, 2015, 01:40:19 PM
haa haaaaaaaa
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Pumpkin on August 23, 2015, 05:04:43 PM
ray, you can argue with this ldopas. hes always right. with pumpkin, leave them to them to it. I learned that some time ago. this place is to talk about NMA. they never do

Actually Martin this is teh Everything Else section!


You may not agree with ldopas or others but as long as the debate remains good natured what's the problem?

Thanks. And these debates I think are reasonably balanced and good natured I always thought so I'm a tad confused at to the comment just made about me (and pumpkin who doesn't seem to post as much these days).

Coumarin, I actually have posted a number of things about NMA, particularly around the time of High and BDAW which I personally feel is a significant highpoint of the band's career. Most of that public interaction is with Guillaume and a few others. No real diversion of opinion, so it flies under the radar unlike the recent behaviour of Space. The band's current line-up is excellent and their approach to gigs is something which I think hasn't been there since the days of the three-piece.

To echo sentiments expressed elsewhere, conversations about nothing more than the band itself and how we all agree here about politics, religion etc... would be boring beyond doubt at best and something befitting the atmosphere of a boarding school with a strict, dictatorial master a la 1940s. Not my cup of tea. Agreement is perfectly fine, but let's not have it enforced as if we are members of some political party, leftist or otherwise.

Like ldopas and some other long-departed members, I have been criticised for not being a 'fully subscribed' member of the 'Army', or fully familiar with some guy's self-annointed 'caretaker' interpretation of what it constitutes to be a fan of NMA. The reality is that NMA isn't a political or social or quasi-religious movement. We all have our own brains and can make up our minds about issues, but many choose the easier route of letting someone else decide such issues and outcomes for them.

For what it's worth, I welcome diversity of opinion and the right to discuss things which seem off-limits. If anything, we should welcome far-ranging debate and alternative viewpoints, rather than stifle it for a variety of reasons. One of the best things about this forum is the ability to do just that. It's just unfortunate that a number of former contributors to this line of thinking are no longer with us, or only in short supply (kip, Heinous and c spring to mind amongst others).

Now, am I in the NMA or 'Everything Else' section?
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 23, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
yep, pumpkin, I remember in the dark grey past talking with you about "das boot" of all things! I guess its more of an observation than a criticism
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Master Ray on August 23, 2015, 07:07:32 PM
Excellent post, Pumpkin.

I gotta ask, though... I think this Forum, nowadays, is pretty much open-minded?  People are always keen to stress 'this is my opinion, respect to others views' and so on?  Yes, we do sometimes fall out, but it rarely gets nasty and insulting. There is usually respect shown and, thus, given.  I enjoy this Forum because of that one simple thing, not the whole thing deteriorating into a nasty free-for-all like so many others I might have been active on (and usually leave asap...)

Sorry that you're disillusioned with the Forum.  And I really hope you post some more...  :-\

Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Simon73 on August 23, 2015, 09:28:34 PM
stereotyipes are always shit. and racist jokes and sexist and homophobic etc etc
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Pumpkin on August 23, 2015, 10:39:38 PM
No worries, Coumarin, and I remember those exchanges well!! I also remember a lot of jokes back in those days with Thomas who was a quare laugh.

(http://hattershostels.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/dasboot.jpg)

Excellent post, Pumpkin.

I gotta ask, though... I think this Forum, nowadays, is pretty much open-minded?  People are always keen to stress 'this is my opinion, respect to others views' and so on?  Yes, we do sometimes fall out, but it rarely gets nasty and insulting. There is usually respect shown and, thus, given.  I enjoy this Forum because of that one simple thing, not the whole thing deteriorating into a nasty free-for-all like so many others I might have been active on (and usually leave asap...)

Sorry that you're disillusioned with the Forum.  And I really hope you post some more...  :-\

Thanks, Master Ray.

I'm not disillusioned with the Forum, simply because I have no expectations of it. It's a forum which has usually provided me with great information about the band and points of discussion and insights into ways of looking at the world which have been fascinating at times. It is more open-minded than before IMO. Like most things in life - it's had its ups and downs.

What amused me to no end years ago was how a tiny minority of members could get themselves and their knickers in such a twist, simply because others didn't agree with them and challenged their position. It often developed into a full-blown harangue, with accusations that 'you' couldn't really be a fan of NMA, because 'you' didn't agree with said minority's subjective outlook, amusingly portrayed as some sort of righteous 'moral majority'. Still laughable at best, so perhaps it also doubles up as something to joke about? 
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Wessexy Witch on August 24, 2015, 09:26:44 AM
Don't wear knickers.
Problem solved.


 ;)
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Coumarin on August 24, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
ah yes Pumpkin, our old friend Philip Thomsen!!!
Title: Re: What are some things that are not okay to joke about?
Post by: Pumpkin on September 14, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
Don't wear knickers.
Problem solved.


 ;)

Very clever, Wessexy Witch.  ;)

Your name is very becoming.

Thus...it was said...

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