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General Category => Everything Else => Topic started by: Master Ray on July 15, 2016, 12:48:49 AM
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Well, here we are again...
77 people dead in Nice, 150 terribly injured, thanks to the latest religion-related massacre. Seems to be a regular event.
So let's not post our opinions on the 'what pisses you off' or 'what makes you sad' threads or whatever... I've created this thread so we can all comment on whatever atrocity happened this week... and it does seem to be a weekly event. Evil cnuts are now killing innocent folks on a regular basis, in the name of whatever God they believe in. Anyone remember when a terrorist atrocity was a rare event?
Fuckin' religion. I utterly loathe it, in whatever shape or form it comes in.
So, here's the new thread for comments about whatever sick vile Terrorist act just came onto the news and you were sickened by. The way things are, these days, I suspect there'll be a lot of comments. >:(
But what the heck... here's my fave comedian, Jim Jefferies with a bit of good stuff about f-ing religion...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n0BCBNasWo
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The attack on Nice was utterly horrific, sad to think that man kind can sink this low are these people really the same species as us . I'm not gonna blame all religions people, I feel that's wrong though I respect everyone's opinion, did we blame all Catholics or Irish when the ira were bombing, you might be right to argue that was political then again maybe this is too with a religious driving force. Hey just my opinion.
My heart really goes out to the people of Nice and France, sadly this won't be the last attack.
Please remember the vast majority 99.9% of Muslims are good people , lets back them n don't give the edl and Briton first any more ammo
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Cheers, Pol. To clarify, I wasn't attacking any religion in particular, just how the general concept is twisted by twisted people for CENTURIES. I do appreciate that you can't taint everyone with the same brush if they worship the same diety, so I hope nobody thinks I'm hate-mongering thanks to a sickened, angry and from-the-heart unedited post.
What can I say? Being an atheist seems like a very sane option these days.
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Certainly didn't think anyone especially yourself or anyone else on this board would ever have that kinda of agenda
Maybe I typed it badly, just wanted to make a point, I don't believe in god but my parents did and some of my family and friends still do , being from a catholic background in the west of Scotland meant/means that I know what religious intolerance feels like to a certain degree. I know its not quite the same.
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Let us hope there isn't a weekly atrocity MR. But in the meantime (good link by the way very funny) have a look at this, the master of comedy on Religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE
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Cheers, idopas. I do sometimes post something possibly ill-conceived but from the heart in the heat of an upset moment.
RIP Mr Carlin.
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so called coup in Türkiye..Had terrible night,bombings,f-16's flying low on my apartment,a few tanks on streets,blood,chaos and islamists on streets turning our lives a nightmare.. a civil war is on the way. :(
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Keep us posted, B.E.R.
Our best wishes, I'm sure, go out to you.
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Well, here we go again... nine dead in Munich in yet another 'Allahu Akbar' incident... children murdered in McDonalds...
:'(
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Well, here we go again... nine dead in Munich in yet another 'Allahu Akbar' incident... children murdered in McDonalds...
:'(
Atrocity no doubt, but may I ask you to refrain from jumping to inflammatory conclusions before it's proven? This claim has been entirely unsubstantiated, if anything then - via a live recording - the attacker has proclaimed to be German and to be hating turks. Mosques in Munich have immediately offered shelter to stranded people. I'm not discounting any reason for this vile attack, but why echo the f**king tabloids once again, within hours of the event when no-one has a bloody clue about anything? We sadly live in shrill times of wild accusations, finger-pointing, extrapolations and primitive generalisations... there really is no need to carry this over to this board, surely? You weren't there, nor was I.
Greetings from Munich, which is probably the safest city on the planet right now.
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Well, here we go again... nine dead in Munich in yet another 'Allahu Akbar' incident... children murdered in McDonalds...
:'(
Atrocity no doubt, but may I ask you to refrain from jumping to inflammatory conclusions before it's proven? This claim has been entirely unsubstantiated, if anything then - via a live recording - the attacker has proclaimed to be German and to be hating turks. Mosques in Munich have immediately offered shelter to stranded people. I'm not discounting any reason for this vile attack, but why echo the f**king tabloids once again, within hours of the event when no-one has a bloody clue about anything? We sadly live in shrill times of wild accusations, finger-pointing, extrapolations and primitive generalisations... there really is no need to carry this over to this board, surely? You weren't there, nor was I.
Greetings from Munich, which is probably the safest city on the planet right now.
Semm, I'm working with the information (and anger, and sadness) that I have in my head right now. If I have jumped to the wrong conclusion thanks to media bullshit, then I will apologise as soon as I can.
But let's be honest... law of averages when it comes to terrorism and sickening murder these days? :-\
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if you are looking for law of averages try antidepressants in combination with amok and murder.
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What the **** is happening, seems you can't do anything without fear now.
Just want to scream out please make it stop. This has to be the most frightening thing of my lifetime by a long way, forget the cold war and the ira . Worst of all there doesn't seem to be a answer. Is it gonna be like this forever
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Atrocity no doubt, but may I ask you to refrain from jumping to inflammatory conclusions before it's proven? This claim has been entirely unsubstantiated, if anything then - via a live recording - the attacker has proclaimed to be German and to be hating turks. Mosques in Munich have immediately offered shelter to stranded people. I'm not discounting any reason for this vile attack, but why echo the f**king tabloids once again, within hours of the event when no-one has a bloody clue about anything? We sadly live in shrill times of wild accusations, finger-pointing, extrapolations and primitive generalisations... there really is no need to carry this over to this board, surely? You weren't there, nor was I.
Greetings from Munich, which is probably the safest city on the planet right now.
I agree with your post. But the last sentence is an interesting one. so it got me thinking "is that right"? :)
So I looked it up and you may be surprised to know that Munich is not the safest city, in fact it is not even in the top 10 of safest cities in Europe. See here:
http://safecities.economist.com/whitepapers/safe-cities-index-white-paper/
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I would imagine Munich is safe right now as Semme says due to the massive amount of Police currently on the streets.
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What`s a safe city?
For me: I can live there without beeing killed living in the wrong street, having the false colour of my skin, wearing the wrong clothes, beeing female, can`t speak german, trying to have a normal life without having connections to someone to protect me (money, family, special connections)
So Munich is a safe place ....
Atrocity no doubt, but may I ask you to refrain from jumping to inflammatory conclusions before it's proven? This claim has been entirely unsubstantiated, if anything then - via a live recording - the attacker has proclaimed to be German and to be hating turks. Mosques in Munich have immediately offered shelter to stranded people. I'm not discounting any reason for this vile attack, but why echo the f**king tabloids once again, within hours of the event when no-one has a bloody clue about anything? We sadly live in shrill times of wild accusations, finger-pointing, extrapolations and primitive generalisations... there really is no need to carry this over to this board, surely? You weren't there, nor was I.
Greetings from Munich, which is probably the safest city on the planet right now.
I agree with your post. But the last sentence is an interesting one. so it got me thinking "is that right"? :)
So I looked it up and you may be surprised to know that Munich is not the safest city, in fact it is not even in the top 10 of safest cities in Europe. See here:
http://safecities.economist.com/whitepapers/safe-cities-index-white-paper/
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And something I`ve forgotten - the police is not my enemy- more than 90% are ok and treat me well if I need help -and the rest of x % are the normal f* a**holes you have to deal with at all places on this planet
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OK, seems like it wasn't a religion related murder at all, just some sick little bastard with access to guns and a headful of problems. Sorry if offence was caused, the earliest news reports were definitely reporting as an 'alluha akbar' thing.
But I stand by my 'law of averages' thing... these evil bastards have pissed in the well that we all drink from. To the extent that our thoughts go towards this religion whenever we hear of some sick atrocity happening. Wrong? Yes, it is, and I'm well aware that these bastards represent a twisted ideal. But be honest... many of us think it, don't we, even if it's just briefly until the facts come in? Nobody thinks 'oh, a massacre, must be the Jewish or the Buddhists...'
Meanwhile, 61 dead and 210 injured in a confirmed ISIS attack in Kabul... rather overlooked in the news today...
:-[
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https://youtu.be/OBHeGZIBHko
The lyrics of this song might occasionally apply. The press, in their rush to report, simply make things up.
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"But be honest... many of us think it, don't we, even if it's just briefly until the facts come in? Nobody thinks 'oh, a massacre, must be the Jewish or the Buddhists...'"
i somehow get your point, but isn't it exactly what the media wants us to think? why they're always playing that card? and something in that remark seems a little bit not the master rayish thing to say. i do not think that way. i think many of these attacks are part of covered operations, psy-ops, to keep the people frightened and stick to the "we have to fight back" war against terror agenda.
to me war and terror are the same.
and my first thoughts are "wait until they find a passport with an islamic name and some flags in a bag displaying isis connections. and of course no one ever gets caught, to have a trial and maybe talk about their ambition to do such things.
Tell me what was it you were trying to say
Too late to listen now
people, you have to educate yourself about false flag operations and the cruelty of secret services and their operations, war propaganda. it's also a part of it all. not everytime, but too often.
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I think religion is important here. We fought long and hard for a more secular Europe and I certainly don't want this to be lost.
Can anyone deny the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile? Or that Islam has long had a history of sectarian violence and violence against other faiths? We really need to question every single aspect of this religion, especially if we really believe in secularism.
What I find only too ironic is that the recent attack in Munich was done by someone whose parents may well have chosen to leave Iran to escape the Islamic fundamentalism initiated by Khomeini 37 years ago. The same ridiculous Shia religious ideology which is mild alongside Saudi Wahhabism. Does the killer really have any idea what his life would have been like in Iran by comparison? You have to wonder what his parents are thinking...We could claim that his hatred for Turks might be because of their path of secularisation, but we don't know.
As someone who has worked on and off in Turkey since 2009 on various projects, I can only say how sad it is to see this, otherwise wonderful, country reduced to the pathetic state it is now in by Erdogan, another Islamist and one hell-bent on closing down places of education.
If anyone ever hit the nail on the head about the need to contain Islam in all aspects of life, it was certainly Kemal Mustafa Ataturk, the founder of Turkey. It will be one of the current century's greatest tragedies if Turkey, like Iran a few decades ago, falls to 'neo-Ottoman' Islamists. This will pose a serious security threat to Europe.
Speaking of safe cities, I'll take Tokyo at the drop of a hat - absolutely love it. Something must be said about a culture which has little interest in religion, but greatly values personal integrity and respect as the norm.
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"But be honest... many of us think it, don't we, even if it's just briefly until the facts come in? Nobody thinks 'oh, a massacre, must be the Jewish or the Buddhists...'"
i somehow get your point, but isn't it exactly what the media wants us to think? why they're always playing that card? and something in that remark seems a little bit not the master rayish thing to say. i do not think that way. i think many of these attacks are part of covered operations, psy-ops, to keep the people frightened and stick to the "we have to fight back" war against terror agenda.
to me war and terror are the same.
and my first thoughts are "wait until they find a passport with an islamic name and some flags in a bag displaying isis connections. and of course no one ever gets caught, to have a trial and maybe talk about their ambition to do such things.
Tell me what was it you were trying to say
Too late to listen now
people, you have to educate yourself about false flag operations and the cruelty of secret services and their operations, war propaganda. it's also a part of it all. not everytime, but too often.
Firstly, cthulhu, thanks for saying that my bitter and angry posts aren't 'Master Ray-ish'. I do try and be an open-minded and kind of nice fella. But I've been looking at terrorist atrocities in this year alone, a year that's only half over, and I've got already over 30 terrible atrocities / mass murders that are definitely related to Islam-related groups. I don't think I can be blamed for jumping to a conclusion where you hear about a 'streets running with blood' scenario...
It goes without saying, as I've said many time before, that I don't relate the general Islam folks to those murdering bastards.
Is there any chance of you posting some proven and accurate links to the stuff about 'psy-ops', 'False flag operations' and the like? Not disputing what you believe in, mate...
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if you ask for it so politely, i will post some things about that matter. but later. now i'm preparing for holiday with my son, one week without the "net", one week at the ocean in spain, one week of hopefully just calm and thoughts about the wonders of life instead of the stupidity and cruelty of mankind against itself.
but it would be realy important, if you're interested, if you think there's somnething behind that thoughts of covered operations and psy-ops, that you go and search for yourself. i'm in a hurry and at the moment i just remember one incident which is a known fact and has the classic ingredients, to start with. but you would have to find it yourself. it happened in iraq, when two secret agents were caught by a routine car stop, i think they even were british "intelligence", and they had clothes of the group who was to blame later and weapons and bombs in their car. so its obvious they were on their way to a bombing as a false flag operation. i think it happened in basra. maybe you'll find something about it...just one little part....
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if you ask for it so politely, i will post some things about that matter. but later. now i'm preparing for holiday with my son, one week without the "net", one week at the ocean in spain, one week of hopefully just calm and thoughts about the wonders of life instead of the stupidity and cruelty of mankind against itself.
but it would be realy important, if you're interested, if you think there's somnething behind that thoughts of covered operations and psy-ops, that you go and search for yourself. i'm in a hurry and at the moment i just remember one incident which is a known fact and has the classic ingredients, to start with. but you would have to find it yourself. it happened in iraq, when two secret agents were caught by a routine car stop, i think they even were british "intelligence", and they had clothes of the group who was to blame later and weapons and bombs in their car. so its obvious they were on their way to a bombing as a false flag operation. i think it happened in basra. maybe you'll find something about it...just one little part....
OK, cthulhu, I guess I was asking you to do my homework for me! ;)
Have a great time with your lad and get back to us when you're good and ready!
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It really seems the world has gone mad... :o
I can relate to your way of thinking, Master Ray, these thoughts do indeed come easy these days - but it most certainly is what certain people want us to think, just like cthulhu has pointed out. It's not that I believe it is all made up - but I can't help but thinking that our fear is probably very convenient for some...
It's actually something I find even more scary, this idea that we can't really trust those who are supposed to make sure things are alright.
I recommend the movie "Wag the Dog". Of course it is only a movie - but it's really good, it's certainly funny in a way - but it makes an awful lot of sense. Check it out if you find the time - the fact that it has a very good cast (in my opinion) certainly helps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog)
And then I keep thinking of "Spirit of the Falklands", of course...
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You may need to rename this to 'daily' atrocity thread.
More sad news from Germany and also from France once more.
Where will it end?
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You may need to rename this to 'daily' atrocity thread.
More sad news from Germany and also from France once more.
Where will it end?
And let us not forget Japan and Somalia as well. The Beeb seems to forget these after a short while! At this rate MR's thread is going to be an hourly atrocity. What the bloody hell is happening to humanity?
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i'm glad that i now come back to this thread without news about atrocitys. though it's pretty certain, that at this moment many of that is happenening.
selective coverage in the media is shaping our way of thinking.
you weren't there...
while a man murders 9 people and thousands of police forces are trying to catch him, put the whole state in a state of emergency and the rest of the society in a stage of fear by live non-stop coverage of the incident,Let's go there now, reporting live, From the chaos scenes at the all-consuming fire some 600 people, children, women, men drown at once, when their boat sank, which they boarded in hope of a better life, because the military is bombing their country. Pax Americana reigns and rains from two miles in the sky but you only read a small article about that.
where is the difference between amok and terror? encountered by an incident of somebody going rampage it leaves us kind of helpless and shocked and worried for some time. encountered by an incident of somebody going rampage and a connection is made to terrorism it leaves us shocked and worried, but our helplessnes is channeled to going to action to fight back the cause. war on terror.
war on terror.
i mean, come on. it's really stupid and dumb. the words alone in that sentence. they make no sense. you cannot kill terror. and war births terror. terror and war are the same. shock an awe..
two things should be considered, imho, when such terrible, insane things occur. there's a pattern.
Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and it's not the weapons used.
The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.
Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior.
• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
http://ssristories.org/lessons-from-ssristories-5-of-5-what-does-research-tell-us-about-the-connection-between-ssris-and-violence/
http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
the list goes on and on. that's why i'm asking myself when i hear of a new atrocity: was that guy on anti-depressants? and not: has he an islamic belief?
the other question i have is: was that part of an covered "strategy of tension" operation?
This fascinating book shows how the CIA and the British secret service, in collaboration with the military alliance NATO and European military secret services, set up a network of clandestine anti-communist armies in Western Europe after World War II.
These secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centres in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorist who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation,…
Codenamed 'Gladio' ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of ''The best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II'' (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that ''The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller.'' (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.
http://libcom.org/history/natos-secret-armies-daniele-ganser
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/mar/26/terrorism
just put into perspective, that it is a known political and military tactic to create fear, fear of death and being killed, to reach the wanted agenda.
it is: kill some of your own, maybe sacrifice, to get all the others scared, so they follow your agenda.
i'm not saying every atrocity is a covered operation, and terror attacks against western countrys by people with an islamic belief are happening. i'm not saying that isis is not an evil group.
but these examples, amok by anti-depressants and amok by a covered operation, are always also possibilitys to explain what happened.
"fear is the only enemy, that i still know..."
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just found this:
The alleged “terror attacks” are happening thick and fast in Europe right now. France has suspended its constitution for another several months as a response. Germany is in turmoil and may well follow suit. The media narrative is already set within a clearly defined paradigm that stipulates these attacks are being perpetrated by “radical Islam.” The debate centres solely on what this means. Is it “blowback” for the West’s policy of perpetual war in the Middle East, as the more liberal/left-inclined tend to say, or is it just Evil Extreme Islamics being Evil, as the more rightist-inclined aver?
There was a debate just like that on RT today. A Northern Irish white gentleman was looking severe and intolerant and claiming ISIS was basically Islam, (because – duh – they’re called “Islamic State”!), and an English non-white gentleman was looking embattled and pointing out (justifiably) that most of the ISIS terrorists identified were anything but devout Moslems and anyhow the history of colonial wars perpetrated by many of the countries currently suffering these attacks can’t simply be removed from the equation. He had a little pile of paper printed with the names of all the Moslem countries France had attacked in the last century – but neither the Irish gent nor the RT anchor seemed much interested.
More attention was given to interviews with frightened French people from the small town that just saw a priest allegedly knifed to death by ISIS, all demanding “these people” be locked up asap. Some other person appeared briefly to say the “war” against these terrorists was “spiritual” (he didn’t amplify much about this terrifyingly absolutist concept, but did he need to?), and there was a segment of Hollande saying the (spiritual?) fight would be a long one (in other words, don’t expect to get your “Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité back any time soon, people of France).
The message was clear: be afraid, and hand over your freedoms to the nice government employee who will be along to save you soon.
If this news item had been on the BBC or any of the Western media then it would be par and unremarkable. But this was RT, and therefore a bit more worthy of mention. RT, generally, questions the prevailing western narratives a little more, especially if that prevailing western narrative disadvantages Russia (which, let’s be honest, most of them do). In the past it’s even dared to openly accuse the BBC of faking the alleged “chemical attack” on the school in Syria that was the subject of a very questionable Panorama program. (RT was sanctioned by OfCom as a result of this brave piece, even though OfCom did not find that their allegations were false).
Yet currently, on this issue, RT is simply serving up a storyline that would get the stamp of approval from Langley or Downing Street. RT is, of course, a Russian state-sponsored outlet, and Russia clearly has its own reasons right now for playing along with Western attempts to promote the image of ISIS as bad guys du jour. The Russian government must also be entirely aware that “ISIS” is backed – and possibly even created – by the West, and that it functions at least in part as an agent of NATO in Syria.
It must know that ISIS will be used to foment discord and terror in the Russian homeland if allowed to do so. Unlike the West, it therefore has a real reason to fear ISIS and a real motive to destroy it. So, when the ISIS brand name is attached to European terror attacks, Russia likely sees a chance to mobilise domestic and international opinion behind its own struggle, and therefore will play along. They see no advantage to them, at the moment, in digging into the hidden realities of what ISIS might be.
But the result of this superficial merging of Russian and western interests is not good or wise. Russia wants to big up ISIS in order to get a consensus for destroying it, but the West wants to big up ISIS as fear porn. The US/European leaders may join with Russia in condemning the violence. They may – will – use it as a pretext to clamp down even more on civil liberties and criminalise dissent. But we all know they will not do the one thing Russia wants them to do – and that is actually combat ISIS.
RT might be better serving Russian interests – as well as the greater cause of truth – if it dared to mention the possibility these attacks may have little or nothing to do with Islam at all, but are being produced by an outfit similar to the one that brought you the Bologna Massacre. It could even point out the most inadmissible thing of all, which is that if ISIS really is behind the recent spate of Euro-terror, then there’s a live probability NATO – or NATO elements – are too. And that of course would mean Gladio is alive and kicking and morphed into Gladio B, just as the “conspiracy theorists” have been saying for quite a long time.
This sudden surge of “terror attacks”, whatever their origins, could finally bring the reality of a police state to large portions of Europe and beyond and needs to be interrogated, analysed and questioned, beyond the admissible paradigm, beyond our comfort zones, because a great deal may be dependent on how these events are to be spun for popular consumption.
The growing unanimity across the spectrum of reportage on this issue threatens us all very deeply, and if we allow ourselves to be manipulated into sterile binary discussions of blowback versus “evil meanies”, if we just help disseminate the disaster-porn and invite people to be afraid sans any context, then we might as well quit and take up gardening or some other nice restful pursuit, because we are just doing the corporate media’s job for them.
Addendum: It may or may not be significant to note that the terrorist outfit known as the Baader-Meinhof gang, who were active in the 1970s and allegedly heavily infiltrated/manipulated by Gladio have suddenly (allegedly) come out of retirement in their late middle-age to start doing heists in the Netherlands. If nothing else, there’s a movie in this.
https://off-guardian.org/2016/07/27/dont-mention-gladio/
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If this news item had been on the BBC or any of the Western media then it would be par and unremarkable. But this was RT, and therefore a bit more worthy of mention. RT, generally, questions the prevailing western narratives a little more, especially if that prevailing western narrative disadvantages Russia
Well of course it does because it is directly funded, directed and manipulated by that tyrant Putin. So while your post was interesting, I really do not think holding up RT as some beacon of truth really holds much water! It is totally anti-west and pro Russia, with very little real analysis, whereas to be fair the BBC constantly holds up things going wrong in this our country to us.
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67 dead in Pakistan... :-[