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Title: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on June 17, 2018, 09:51:40 PM

SO... there have been a couple of long-forgotten threads about 'The Love of (insert album name here)...'  And I did challenge folks here to reanimate old threads about NMA, seeing as there was talk about how we should all be talking a bit more about NMA, which I agree with 100%... so perhaps I should lead by example?

So.  Whose got some love for 'Eight'?

Now, I'll admit something here... it wasn't one of my favourites when it first came out.  I can't imagine why after listening to it recently after letting it gather dust on my shelf for a long while.  I dunno... it just seemed to be 'just another NMA album' when it first came out, especially after how much I loved the (still somewhat under-regarded IMO) Strange Brotherhood.  And yes, I have dipped into it occasionally over the years, and liked it a lot (sometimes) but never enough to regard it as a favourite.  Yes, I am an idiot.

Because, recently, this great album finally and truly clicked with me for some odd reason that I can't explain.  I now regard it as one of NMA's top 5 albums.  I mean, what's not to like?  You've got the usual live bangers (R 'n'R, Stranger, Orange Tree Roads), Justin channeling Tom Waits (Someone Like Jesus), political stuff (You Weren't There) mellow stuff about world travel (Paekakariki Beach) and everything you would want from an NMA album.  Maybe there a track or two that were a bit 'filler', but that's bearing in mind that NMA throw away 'filler' tracks that many bands would kill to have on their albums...   ;)

I think that this album came out as I was drifting into my 30's and I subsequently and slightly dis-regarded it because I was feeling old (yeah, I fuckin' DREAM of being 30 these days!   ;D ) and was listening to a ton of music from various genres whilst trying to regard myself as 'relevant' and 'hip' and some such bollocks.  I know, pathetic, right?

I'm so happy to listen to 'Eight' now and think of it as one of my NMA favourites.

SO... your opinions about this or any other NMA stuff?  Let's get this Forum talking about NMA stuff again!   :D
Title: For the Love Of 'Eight' and 'Strange Brotherhood'...
Post by: 8 on June 18, 2018, 01:53:42 AM
So.  Whose got some love for 'Eight'?

Now, I'll admit something here... it wasn't one of my favourites when it first came out.  I can't imagine why after listening to it recently after letting it gather dust on my shelf for a long while.  I dunno... it just seemed to be 'just another NMA album' when it first came out, especially after how much I loved the (still somewhat under-regarded IMO) Strange Brotherhood.  And yes, I have dipped into it occasionally over the years, and liked it a lot (sometimes) but never enough to regard it as a favourite.  Yes, I am an idiot.

Because, recently, this great album finally and truly clicked with me for some odd reason that I can't explain.  I now regard it as one of NMA's top 5 albums.  I mean, what's not to like?  You've got the usual live bangers (R 'n'R, Stranger, Orange Tree Roads), Justin channeling Tom Waits (Someone Like Jesus), political stuff (You Weren't There) mellow stuff about world travel (Paekakariki Beach) and everything you would want from an NMA album.  Maybe there a track or two that were a bit 'filler', but that's bearing in mind that NMA throw away 'filler' tracks that many bands would kill to have on their albums...

This is a bit difficult.  You bring up two very different NMA albums, 'Eight' and 'Strange Brotherhood'.  Between the two, the one I play more often from start to finish, I should add, is in fact 'Strange Brotherhood'.  There's just SO much happening on that one, both in musical and emotional terms, that you can pick it up quite instantly, just by listening to it.  It's also an album where the vocals, and delivery of them, differs very much from song to song... and I fcukin' LOVE that!

Mr. Sullivan has some gorgeous pipes on him!!  He should continue on this path, the path of testing out the waters with it / of it... maximize his voice's complete, fullest and truest potential, capacity, capabilities.   Mr. Sullivan should never worry and fear about how he might think or feel it comes across, because, all said, there's a genuine and sweet purity naturally built into his voice... not many people of this earth were blessed so greatly, in that way.   :)  He should just sit back, so to speak... relax, close his eyes and "go with the flow", with his instinct, heart, and just fcuk the rest!  He has to let it go and let his voice do its thing naturally and not fret or think twice about it.  He has to trust and have greater faith in himself.  I believe in you, and I'm certainly not the only one either.

"Use  the force"  Justin.   "Use  the force".

(uh, that was a  Star Wars reference... y'know, just in case it wasn't understood by folk)

:)

All that said, I do love the stuff on 'Eight'.  My personal favourite tracks are  "Stranger",  "Orange Tree Roads"  and  "Paekakariki Beach".  I love the others too, but those other ones I much prefer to hear only in a live setting, rather than off a recording... whereas the afore mentioned three songs, I adore both on record and in a live setting.  Actually, "Stranger" is one of my top 20 NMA tracks, to date.  In lyrical terms, it resonates quite profoundly with me.  For the most part, I'm a real sucker for  confessional  type lyrics rather than  story telling / story recounting type lyrics.  And, the opening guitar riff, just fits the song so perfectly!!

Stranger
(Sullivan)  1999

When it comes down, we know we're alone
You could scream and nobody would hear
Today my face in the glass is a stranger's
Furrowed with the lines of fear

All the little truths denied, all the little deaths we died
I always thought that it was worth something
All the little rays of hope, always coming back when we needed them most
I always thought that it was worth something

Once we went back to the house we were born in
The glass was smashed and there were boards on the doors
and it seemed so right that the past was all laid to waste
and our trail covered up and lost

All the little deaths we died, all the little truths denied,
I always thought that it was worth something
And all the battles leave their scars
and the gods of Fate still laughing at us
I always thought that it was worth what it cost
Let everyone else decide who's right - I don't care any more tonight
I only know that it is worth something.


xXx
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Ghosttrain on June 18, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
I really love Eight,an excellent album one i play a lot.Brilliant songs in my opinion...........Plus i love the cover  8)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on June 18, 2018, 06:28:00 PM

Great post, 8!  I do think that Eight and SB were when NMA were really stretching their talents in new directions, everything might not have quite hit with everybody, but I guess that's to be expected.  I'm just embarrassed that I under-regarded this fine album for so long...

Love to hear any more opinions here...
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Pol on June 18, 2018, 07:22:54 PM
Said it before I'm not a huge fan.  Yes it does have a few excellent songs but not that keen on rest . Maybe I should listen again tho my patience is lacking.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: lotus on June 18, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
I`m a fan of Eight and SB from the first time listening,
only one song (on Eight and all other cds) I don`t like is Paekariki Beach ...
Title: More thoughts on the NMA albums "Strange Brotherhood' and "Eight"...
Post by: 8 on June 19, 2018, 07:09:18 AM
...love the cover   8)

It is quite beautiful to look at, I very much agree, Ghosttrain.   :)  However, upon closer inspection, (for me) I find it a bit disturbing, worrying, uncomfortable, scares me even.  Perhaps I'm seeing something that isn't even there, which definitely wouldn't be the first time either.  Wonder whose call it was to go with that cover though, it'd be interesting to find out.  I'd also love to understand what all the imagery, symbolism alludes to / represents.  Maybe in having that explained to me, it might put my mind and heart at ease, to rest.  Or, if it ends up being exactly as I'm perceiving it in my mind's eye, then it swings the pendulum, so to speak, into way way darker waters, for me.  And, that's where it begins to get too distressing,  :-\  unsettling, uncomfortable for my liking.  As I said (at the top), esthetically, the album cover for "Eight" is visually pleasing.
 

...Eight and SB were when NMA were really stretching their talents in new directions...

Totally agree with you, Master Ray.  :)  That's when the real changes began to unfold, manifest themselves, surface.  It is my opinion that both "Strange Brotherhood" and "Eight" were most definitely, crossroad  type albums for NMA, from a musical, lyrical, personal perspective / standpoint.  Perhaps, especially for Mr. Sullivan, himself?


…does have a few excellent songs but not that keen on rest.  Maybe I should listen again tho my patience is lacking.

Which are your favourite songs off "Eight", Pol ?  Also, not sure whether you'd be up to trying this, but have you ever thought of playing the album right before falling asleep, while lying in your bed?  I find that just a simple change in the way (be it setting, position, volume, time of day, etc.) that I listen to music, particularly a new recording, or one that still hasn't registered with me yet, instantly modifies the outcome of my overall experience, findings, likability, etc., of the material at hand.   Give it a go, at some point.  It  might surprise you, finally  click  with you.  :)


...I don`t like is Paekariki Beach ...

Now this, baffles me!  Are you willing and able to pin-point and elaborate, lotus?  What things about it, in it, specifically, don't you like about  NMA's  "Paekakariki Beach"?  I wonder if they are the very things that I love in and about the song.  Would love to hear further fleshed-out thoughts regarding this NMA track, as it's a favourite of mine.  :)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Ghosttrain on June 19, 2018, 10:15:31 AM
I was also pleased to get a copy of the cover for Eight as a poster in my Anthology Box Set......... :)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Shush on June 19, 2018, 11:56:15 AM
I think Eight is Great.

Stand out songs like Orange Tree Roads, and the mesmerizing S/L/Jesus plus  Paekakariki Beach show how diverse the band can be and adds to the ever impossible job to categorize the band into one specific genre 
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: MARKXE on June 19, 2018, 05:04:29 PM
Eight is a fantastic album. Love every song on it.

T Shirts a belter aswell. (https://i.imgur.com/O3bTuwH.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/X7DvxNhm.jpg?2) (https://i.imgur.com/OyHLHAxm.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on June 19, 2018, 07:35:44 PM
Eight is a fantastic album. Love every song on it.

T Shirts a belter aswell. (https://i.imgur.com/O3bTuwH.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/X7DvxNhm.jpg?2) (https://i.imgur.com/OyHLHAxm.jpg?1)

Nice... another reason why we need some reprints of old T-shirts... please, NMA people, pretty please?   :-[
Title: Never saw the back print of this "Eight" era, NMA t-shirt before...
Post by: 8 on June 19, 2018, 08:18:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OyHLHAxm.jpg?1)
Nice threads there, MARKXE.  :)

But, does anyone here know what happened, there?   :-\  The actual lyric / last word, appears to have been intentionally misquoted... but why, though?  Check it out for yourselves...

Orange  Tree  Roads
(Sullivan)  1999

It was late, we were driving home in the rain
I thought I saw something, flying across the two-lane
It was, white like an angel - or like curse
There and gone, in a second, in front of us

In our house, all the trophies, are gathering dust
All the things we remember - but only just
We won't need them anymore

Once we were lost, but we can be found
On the Orange Tree trail, on the roads heading south
Standing in the sun, in the fields of grain
Will you still love me, when everything is changed?

In the shadows of the mountains, we were watching the sky
Hale Bopp flying motionless, out across the night
You turned to me and said with a smile
Everything these days seems to be some kind of sign
No one cares anymore, where you've been
So you find a quiet place, to shed that old skin
You won't need it again

Once we were lost but we can be found
On the Orange Tree trail, on the roads heading south
Standing in the sun, in the fields of grain
Will you still love me when everything is changed?

Would've been a slightly better touch, I think, if the font chosen for the t-shirt's back print had been done in JS' own hand-written style.  Would've made the words / question rub off much deeper, heavier, no?  Hmmm...   :-[  I'm not sure what I am trying to say, is being related / articulated properly.  Damn, I really should've paid more attention during English, while at school.  Sucks big time, when I can't express my thoughts and such, verbally or written-wise.   :-\  Hopefully, folk can magically understand what I am trying to relate, say... just the same.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on June 19, 2018, 08:31:23 PM

Possibly the T-shirt was made-up before the final version of the song was recorded...?  Lyrics do sometimes get changed before 'the final cut' and perhaps the band needed to get the designs to the T-shirt company before the tour...  ???

Just a guess...
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Ghosttrain on June 19, 2018, 08:43:48 PM
I am not one to pester / badger people who have more than enough to do,but can we please start a (polite ) petition if such a thing exists to do a re print of this shirt even with the back print as it is........i have vowed never to buy another t shirt again.(i am 60 years old) and if i lived to be 100 i could never wear all the shirts i have.........but for this i would make an exception   8)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: MARKXE on June 19, 2018, 09:07:18 PM
I am not one to pester / badger people who have more than enough to do,but can we please start a (polite ) petition if such a thing exists to do a re print of this shirt even with the back print as it is........i have vowed never to buy another t shirt again.(i am 60 years old) and if i lived to be 100 i could never wear all the shirts i have.........but for this i would make an exception   8)

What size T Shirt are you.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on June 19, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
I am not one to pester / badger people who have more than enough to do,but can we please start a (polite ) petition if such a thing exists to do a re print of this shirt even with the back print as it is........i have vowed never to buy another t shirt again.(i am 60 years old) and if i lived to be 100 i could never wear all the shirts i have.........but for this i would make an exception   8)

It's been brought up many times before on this Forum... I'd personally kill for a reprint of the Impurity cover T-shirt... well not actually 'kill' as such, but maybe some minor wounding of the shins...  ;)
Title: Messed-up lyric on an "Eight" era's NMA t-shirt...
Post by: 8 on June 19, 2018, 10:58:35 PM
Possibly the T-shirt was made-up before the final version of the song was recorded...?  Lyrics do sometimes get changed before 'the final cut' and perhaps the band needed to get the designs to the T-shirt company before the tour...  ???   Just a guess...

Yeah... on second thought Master Ray, your guess makes total / much better sense.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Ghosttrain on June 20, 2018, 08:16:29 AM
Hi MARKXE, my T Shirt size is normally XL depending on make ,
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: MARKXE on June 20, 2018, 11:15:50 AM
Shame. Have a spare Eight shirt but it's an M. If your doing a crash diet I can keep it for you  ;D
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Ghosttrain on June 20, 2018, 01:00:32 PM
Thanks for the thought............no crash diets on the horizon i am afraid,nice gesture all the same.  :)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Pol on June 21, 2018, 09:31:51 AM
Don't think a medium would have ever fitted me lol

Ok so opinions were asked n they shall be given, after a bit of spare time n a cpl of listens , here is my thoughts.
What I like - flying through the smoke ( must better live tho )
You weren't there. Orange tree roads . R&R ( a live favourite for me ) Snelsmore wood ( probably my favourite as a album track on 8 ) . Hidden gem that I had kinda forgot about Wipeout ( would love to hear this soon live ) .
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Anna Woman von NRW on June 21, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
One of my favourite albums this one and I think it's stood the test of time pretty well. I remember that it was written and recorded quite fast as an antidote to the long gestation of Strange Brotherhood (hope I've remembered that right) so I'm a bit curious as to whether or not there is a feeling that it would have been any different if more time had been given to it.

R&R live is an absolute belter, Flying Through The Smoke is where me and Keren met  :-* and I'm with Pol - I'd like to hear Wipeout live sometime soon.

Never was keen on the artwork tho - guess I'm just not an orange and brown kinda girl  ;D
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: cthulhu on June 21, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Hidden gem that I had kinda forgot about Wipeout ( would love to hear this soon live ) .

One of my alltime favourite song (like 225 more;-) and i never heard it live and would love to.
i made a video to it, a very old one. this was still edited on analog equipment, which brings me to think about the time that has passed, and that such a song and all the album won't grow old..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaOB2owPICs
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: lupus225 on June 23, 2018, 01:00:43 PM
Many really great songs on Eight (FTTS, YWT, Snelsmore Wood, R&R, SLJ, Mixam, Wipeout...).

I remember that back then I immediately thought it sounded a bit flat and "under-produced".
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: lupus225 on June 23, 2018, 09:02:53 PM
I think my favorites are Snelsmore Wood, R&R, Leeds Road and Wipeout...I think JS&F played that in Hamburg 2003...totally underrated song.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Guillaume on June 25, 2018, 07:41:45 PM
I will always have a fondness for "Eight" in part because it was released in happy times in my life, early 2000's; it's also a fine album, not perfect maybe, but still with some very good songs like "You weren't there", "Snelsmore wood" and "Leeds road 3AM".
"Someone like Jesus" is a stunning masterpiece, also "Orange tree roads" is one of my very favourite NMA songs, each time i listen to this song i find it fresh, and it evokes in me a weird mixed feeling, a song for me between melancholy and optimism/love for life!  :)   
Its 4 opening tracks alone make "Eight" one of NMA's best albums from the 21st century, along with "High" in my opinion...i like these two albums much more than the last one "Winter"... 


I remember that it was written and recorded quite fast as an antidote to the long gestation of Strange Brotherhood (hope I've remembered that right)

Indeed.
Justin said in a french interview for the release of "Eight" in early 2000's that this album was a return to the simplicity and immediacy of an album like "the ghost of Cain"...especially after the more convoluted/experimental sounding "strange brotherhood". In the interview Justin was saying that "Strange Brotherhood"'s making was really harrowing, it took a very long time of his life and at the end he wasn't really happy about the album...so "Eight" was really thought like an answer/antidote to "Strange Brotherhood", a straightforward, "simple", catchy album like NMA use(d) to do. 
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: lotus on June 25, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
For me, Eight is my fav album
the ones before are filled with anger, surching for a way to express things in a rough (?) way, then a break (perhaps lack of money, connections, personal problems) and the ones later are a kind of mix of knowing how to express better (not the lyrics, but music and sound, producing) and yes, getting older (that`s life we all old fans have to face) .....
We were young, we are getting old, we are (here) still in this together  ;)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Guillaume on July 23, 2018, 01:16:29 PM
Here's a nice review i found on Amazon US, posted in 2004...:


 
5.0 out of 5 stars NMA - Not being tired of delivering yet another Masterpiece
BySwen Roschlauon January 16, 2004
Format: Audio CD

NMA prove once again that they have further refined their unique music style through the years wíthout losing their enthralling vigor and riveting grip on the souls of the listener.
By far NMA are taking much effort and attention for every song they put out (even their B-side collections like "Lost Songs" are outstanding in many ways). I dont share all of their political thoughts as I am more optimistic regarding the ability of the western world to cope with the challenges ahead.
Nevertheless their lyrics are a class of its own - unmatched by comparable alternative rock acts.
The songs on Eight are:
"Flying through the smoke" - a spell binding folk rock track gathering gradually in momentum and exposed fury till it bursts into a final explosion - disturbing and absorbing at the same time.
5 out of 5
"You weren't there" is a ballad carried by a quite simple but nevertheless atmospherically tense organ-like keyboard tune. The lyrics are dealing with the gap between media reality and hands-on experiences. A catchy slow track, but losing a little bit its magic by hearing it again and again.
4,5 out of 5
"Orange tree road" displays the romantic power and vitality of NMA at its peak. The song comes along like a 4 minute road movie - fast and emotionally engrossing. Once again the rather sweet though dynamic melody is brought by a earshrapnelling organ-keyboard tune, which fastens its grip the more you listen. The lyrics deal with memories of lost love, dedication, renewal and life being an endless journey. One of the best songs NMA has ever written.
5 out of 5
"Someone like Jesus" is a spartanically instrumented ballad, which didnt get a grip on me at first. But dont underestimate this song, appearing still on the súrface, but exposing a dark yet fasicnating realm of sound and word the further you are diving into it. I got more and more - literally !- soaked into this song and came to appreciate it as one of the best elaborates NMA has created so far. The lyrics deal with the sinister side of sanity.
5 out of 5
"Stranger" and "R&R" are more or less average stuff for NMA benchmarks. Good rock tracks anyway, but I miss the special enchantment the other songs enfold so impressively.
3-3.5 out of 5
"Snelsmore Wood" was pubslihed before as a live track on "&nobody else". Both versions dont differ much, though I prefer the tense atmosphere of the live act. The song is first just filled with the permeating voice of Justin and the rough sound of the acoustic guitar. In this track actually Justin reaches a level where he directly penetrates into ones mind - really invading in every aspect! The song eventually erupts in an e-guitar solo dripping into the melody like a chain of raw diamants. The track stands paradigmatically for NMA finding a highly exciting synthesis between a raw, unfiltered and emotionally tense sound.
5 out of 5
"Peakakriki beach" fits well as some kind of relaxing exercise. Sound and lyrics unit to a hymn for a more peaceful place "away from the battlefields" of life.
4 out of 5
"Leeds Road 5am" is a story-telling folk rock song reminding me of some of the works on Springsteen's "Nebraska".
4 out of 5
"Mixam" has an infectious groove line, but dealing with NMAs favorite topics (blind mankind tumbles further to the apocolypse), which sometimes get a little bit annoying to be honest.
3,5 out of 5
"Wipe out" is the dignified closing track of the album and a stirring poem to the sea, kind of redemption song. The guitars are oscillating between soft chords and rougher uptempo, again NMA at its best.
4.5 out of 5
So to sum up...a strong buy :-)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on July 23, 2018, 06:58:18 PM

Nice find, a great review!
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Guillaume on July 24, 2018, 09:16:11 AM
Indeed!
I especially agreee with what he is writing about "Orange tree roads" and "Someone like Jesus" ("one of the best elaborates NMA has created so far") ...also the reference to Springsteen's "Nebraska" for "Leeds road 3AM", interesting...if i am right Justin loves this album (or another acoustic one from the Boss?) and i remember him saying that he read Springsteen's autobiography these last years. 
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Guillaume on January 27, 2020, 10:10:34 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO EIGHT!!
It's now been 20 years the album has been released...twenty years!!
 
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on January 27, 2020, 08:48:08 PM

Well, I turned 50 last week... as if I didn't need anything ELSE to make me feel old as ****...  :-\
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Bunny on January 27, 2020, 09:50:21 PM

Well, I turned 50 last week... as if I didn't need anything ELSE to make me feel old as ****...  :-\
You dont look a day over 49! Belated Happy Birthday mate.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Digital Man on January 27, 2020, 10:49:38 PM

Well, I turned 50 last week... as if I didn't need anything ELSE to make me feel old as ****...  :-\

you don't look a day over 70, err, sorry. I mean 38
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Ghosttrain on January 28, 2020, 08:48:11 AM
Fifty not out,well played sir......Many Happy Returns  :)..
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: 8 on January 28, 2020, 04:47:55 PM
Well, I turned 50 last week... as if I didn't need anything ELSE to make me feel old as ****...  :-\

It's just a number.  It's what you can manage to do and achieve with the rest of it, that really matters!   ;)

Happy belated, Master Ray!  :)
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Guillaume on January 28, 2020, 06:27:27 PM

Well, I turned 50 last week... as if I didn't need anything ELSE to make me feel old as ****...  :-\

Happy birthday Master Ray!!

I am 41 since last December...so i was 21 when EIGHT was released!  :'( ;D
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Master Ray on January 28, 2020, 08:41:03 PM

Cheers, guys, I wasn't expecting those messages!  Big love to you all and I'll see you somewhere down the road!
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Guillaume on April 05, 2020, 08:27:31 PM
Here's a cool video made from an EIGHT song...enjoy!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMnA0AWF9MI
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Isaac(Black Eagle Rising) on April 06, 2020, 10:51:33 PM
If I had to make a top 5 NMA albums it would be in it  without doubt.Thankfuly no need for that but I still remember "Eight" meant a lot to me and today still on my playlist proudly.In the year 2000 I had it by casette  copied from cd but not the original release.I shocked by the intro when I hear the sound of very local instrument which is very friendly to my ears in "Flying Through The Smoke" and I played the whole album till the tape gets destroyed.Well by that time I had a Welsh hippie friend and asked her if she can write me the lyrics into a paper by listening as I cant understand the whole lyrics and we listened the song play/rewind/play/forward and she wrote the lyrics as much as she could understand but she said there may be some mistakes :)Long time I havent heard from her hope doin okay today.
Great album and great cover and of course recording and sound is also fascinating in my opinion.Wipeout is still today one of my top nma songs and even today I always warm up with the arpeggio intro of the song while I play my sg.Very simple and very strong track.If merchandise crew would make reissue of an Eight shirt that would be fantastic for sure.
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Valstar on April 12, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
It is my favourite album. Since the release. I don’t know why, I immediately fell in love (was not the same for SB and LoHC, needed time for those). Obviously like almost everybody, T&C and Impurity (and Vengeance, GoC, No Rest) are fighting regularly for top album, but 8 is always there (I just throw the postcard from the album that was on the fridge for 20 years, light made it almost white :))
I remember listening to the CD for the first time in the car, at night, while my then GF was driving. I was reading the lyrics at the same time,. Man, when I was in Leeds Road 3 a.m and suddenly realised it was a car crash, that was one of the strongest shivers in my life !
Someone like Jesus, a masterpiece, flying through the smoke is so strong with the chorus that shakes me every time with JS intensity, R&R is so basic but sooooo efficient, and Orange Tree Road, could be my favorite NMA track ever if there was not Vanity and Modern Times (makes me realise just now that modern times and Orange tree road are about the same topic, and Vanity too, to some extension ...). Paekakariki would be the only one I would not be mad about, but with the years, I grow founder of it, nice lyrics and a special mood to it.
édit : I forgot about Snelsmore Wood !! What a dense song, a favourite in concert, brings tears in my eyes, JS, again, is so intense in this one.
I was lucky enough to see them for this album in a big bookstore in Paris (Fnac), and there was no scene, just a rope between us and the band, was just in front of Justin, not as far as we’re even supposed to be from each other in the grocery in this time of covid. That was REALLY intimidating, I can tell you it was the only NMA gig where I was not able to sing along ;). I still have a bootleg of this gig in my computer, great great memory :).
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Sequoia225 on April 23, 2020, 06:33:12 AM
Eight to me has always been a favorite. It is one of my top 3 albums I think. I was still working living in recording studios at that time, and I remember blasting it on the big speakers late into the AM after my very long and loud and exhausting hip hop/R&B sessions, to help clear my head.
For some reason, it was really hard to get here at that time (los angeles). I don't remember the situation with the band selling to America, but I remember I had this mixer I knew from Belgium who had moved back there, and I had him personally ship it to me because I couldn't get my hands on it otherwise. I literally still remember the day I received it in the mail I was so excited.

I remember loving it from the start. Flying through the smoke was the weakest track to me, always, until I heard the the remix on the Anthology better. Its SO much better and engages me more. If you play those back to back - there is just no comparison.
In 2002, it was the start of their tours here in the states again after about 10 years, and I had never seen them live despite being a huge fan since about 1990. . Their last show they had done in the states 10 years before I almost went to, but I opted to go to a different show that same night of another band I had loved for longer up to that point (legendary pink dots), having no idea that LPD would come back almost yearly and NMA would take a decade to return. So after 8s release was an exciting time for me as a NMA fan. They started with 2 acoustic tours and they played a lot from 8 on those tours, which I remember very fondly. I loved seeing those songs live in the altered scaled down versions. The shows were small and they did a few around California I could go to each time, I remember getting to meet the guys and chat with them, which was fun. All in all, the Eight period was a really fun time to be a fan of this band for me.

Its hard to pick favorites because every track on the album is so good, but if I had to, I would say Stranger is my favorite.  The others are all pretty close behind though. Eight to me has always been a severely underrated album.

And happy cinquanta Master Ray!
Title: Re: The Love Of 'Eight'....
Post by: Simon73 on April 24, 2020, 10:28:42 PM
for some reasons it always took me a few listens to appreciate a new model album fully. and beside being different and having its style this lp is great to me always been. this is what kept me close to this band (beside by chance ending up living in Bradford for studying, meeting Justin there and severla times around which made me feel even more of a family member ). they do not manage to write or create a bad song.
did not like everything on Between wind and blood of the new songs but in general they never let me down.
hope i ll manage sometimes to see them close to my place in berlin or wherever they will play as i got no ticket.
and no idea how this bloody pandemia will stop or will ruin us forever (no school, no work, no income, and much more and much worse for those refugees trapped in Greece, Lybia and poorer people around the globe in general).
lets see how this period will influence the band in writing eventually new songs..............and how.
best to all