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Re: Why is Oliver Cromwell regarding as a hero in England?
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2015, 07:43:50 PM »
Ok we have gone way of track but nothing new there.
I think most Scots would like to remain part of Europe and Cameron and co do have a lot to do with it, they are generally hated in Scotland and they aren't doing themselves any favours with their current policies. The labour party have lost their way leaving the snp as the only socialist alternative. Will independence happen who knows I think I forum of federalism will
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Re: Why is Oliver Cromwell regarding as a hero in England?
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2015, 09:18:11 PM »
I honestly don't think Scotland has the nerve to go it alone...nor do I think it's actually a good idea. All 'marriages' have their ups and downs and now is no different.

What I can see happening for the foreseeable future is that the SNP in Scotland takes a page out of the Parti Quebecois manifesto in Canada. In other words, keep voting for an independence-oriented party, but don't really swallow the whole independence is the way forward mantra. In doing so, Quebec has pulled a lot of power towards itself through concessions, but is smart enough to realise it would be cooked if faced with independence.

A lot of people in Scotland are also fully aware just how bad the post-independence blues and subsequent economic meltdown was in Ireland.

The romantic notion of the nation state loses its way in an increasingly centralised EU.

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Re: Why is Oliver Cromwell regarding as a hero in England?
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2015, 09:23:42 PM »

To be fair, i was told  "when the Brits weren't there to **** up Ireland ,the Irish did it them-*******-selves. There was a ******* civil War."   

Well, no sooner had Ireland begun the road towards independence after the Easter Rising when De Valera and Collins split ranks and initiated a brutal Civil War which helped entrench partition.

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Re: Why is Oliver Cromwell regarding as a hero in England?
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2015, 10:42:53 AM »
I was thinking about this and if Cromwell would have gotten his wish to wipe out the catholics many people would not have been born.  I good bit of us with Irish ancestry would have not been born because out ancestors would be all a victim of genocide.  I would not and anyone with catholic ancestors. 

The same with the muslims killed in the crusades and the protestants. 
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