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andydrbeard

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Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« on: September 30, 2014, 07:49:43 AM »
Listening to the radio this morning on the way to work and after burbling on about Cameron, Jihadists etc they managed a line about a recent report by ZSL and WWF has concluded that wildlife has diminished by about 50% between 1970 and 2010. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29418983

It's shameful and so so sad on every level. But unfortunately not hard to see how it's happened. As if to illustrate this I saw a post on another forum (albeit a work related one) referring to this story with the line "Grim reading. You can see a point in the future where technology will no longer save the growth of the human population and our numbers will just plummet".  Well with that sort of selfish ******* attitude it's no wonder is it that every other species has been decimated. Why is it that so many people think that sit above it and see the rest of the natural world is there to be used and abused for their benefit? You know somedays I think the whole of us deserve to be wiped out. I don't know whether to get under my desk and weep or go out and kick someone.
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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 09:45:12 AM »
Excellent post Andy and one that i totally agree with
Fck it makes me feel really bad when half the wildlife has been wiped out in my life time alone Christ if i make to the same age again are we going to be living in a barren desert.
Bad harvest has really came. Hard not to feel depressed but im off out to enjoy it whilst i still can
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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 09:53:58 AM »
Harvested everything, planted nothing.

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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 10:03:26 AM »
It depends on how you look at it. From a purely scientific point of view we are merely doing our job. Dominant species facilitate change by causing extinctions thereby heralding their own demise only to prepare the ecosystem for a new wave of creation. Basically, we are doing a great job at returning the earth into a primeval state by eliminating all large creatures, essentially leaving only jelly fish in the ocean and insects on land. While we have the capacity to understand this process as individuals, on a species level we are unable to stop this process because we are in competition with each other. It's known as 'the tragedy of the commons' (If I don't catch this fish, somebody else will).

I think it's also important not to fall into the misanthropist trap ("humans are the cause of all the planet's problems") or the fallacy of perpetual natural harmony (i.e. if it wasn't for us stuffing things up). It's an illusion as every species goes extinct sooner or later. We are merely speeding up that process.

From a personal perspective I am totally with you and I often despair at the things I see. As a marine ecologist, I am confronted with the growing threats to our oceans on a daily basis and the future is indeed grim. Not for the planet though, just for us and the species we are affecting negatively (jellyfish probably think we're fantastic!).

But whichever way you look at it, the writing's on the wall.


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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 10:42:24 AM »
Johnz,

Thanks for your post, you obviously have a greater understanding of this than me - and it's always good to learn. Is the key factor that our constantly consuming lifestyle has just accelerated the process of natural evolution to the point where the overall process is out of control?
It deeply saddens me to think of all the glorious species that we are directly adversely impacting. Like Pol the report from ZSL covers pretty much my life time and I feel shamed, I'm partly culpable for this as we all are. And yes Bever, Ballad really has never been truer has it?

However, I quite like the idea of returning the Earth to it's primal state, it's a pity we're taking everything with us like a spoilt kid who's lost the game and takes his ball home with him!
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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 12:13:13 PM »

Is the key factor that our constantly consuming lifestyle has just accelerated the process of natural evolution to the point where the overall process is out of control?


It really just makes it more obvious. The process is exponential which means that now that we are running out of new places to exploit we are seeing the results of our actions multiply at an alarming rate. But the principle is not new. We've been driving other species to extinction from the very beginning of our existence as have countless other species before us. It is a common misconception that there was a point in the past when we lived in harmony with nature and things would have happily carried on forever if we hadn't gotten greedy. The same misconception is also commonly applied to indigenous peoples today. However, this is not supported by fact (In fact, we tend to use the supposed innate nature-conserving capabilities of indigenous peoples as a justification for our own supposed lack of them (But that's another story).

We tend to think of ourselves as individuals and often forget that we are a species in the first place. So we really don't have as much choice as we think we do.

All you can do really is to sit back and watch it all unfold. It's quite depressing really. I just spend most of my time rallying against it on the off-chance that I'm wrong...




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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 06:37:21 PM »
That's so shameful and terrible thing. Thinking that if you could have known that coming 40 years ago.
At a time when quite many of us were born.
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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 07:14:29 PM »
. I just spend most of my time rallying against it on the off-chance that I'm wrong...

I for one am very glad you do. And thanks for sharing your knowledge here- appreciated.

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Re: Shameful - World wildlife populations halved in 40 years
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 09:14:10 PM »

I for one am very glad you do. And thanks for sharing your knowledge here- appreciated.

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Thanks Anna! It's a topic that is very close to my heart.