Paris

[Amandistan]

Because who else could it be?

[BlackCountryMaggiD]

Because who else could it be?

It could be any number of people! Al Qaeda or affiliates seems more likely according to experts!

[andydrbeard]

They have ruined the world for everyone.
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If you let them. What every decent person can do is live their life and be kind and decent to those they interact with. Don't stop living your life - it's what they want. Every beer, every bit of music you listen to, every laugh you share with a friend is a strike against the narrow minded cnts like ISIS and all the other hate motivated bigots.

**** the lot of them.

[Valstar]

It's not ISIS. Actually it's claimed by another group, who was once Al Qaeda but separate.

Read what the ancient hostage have to say about retaliation on them by the way. I will not say I completely agree but he really make sense.

So don't just assume before having the information . And the other organisation claimed it, but it can still be wrong, I'll wait before saying something definitive about it

[Master Ray]

If there's one thing my recent heart attack (yeah, I'm still banging on about THAT    )has shown me is that when your numbers up, it's up.  I might have died a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't.  Could happen anytime, anyplace, anywhere.  A school friend of mine died of a brain haemorrhage aged 12.  A mates girlfriend died in a car crash aged 19.  An ex-girlfriends auntie had a fatal stroke in her late 20's. I'm sure we've all got similar stories.   

Never let these c-words dictate your life.  You have far more chance of getting killed everytime you get in your car than you have getting murdered by terrorists.

They haven't ruined the world.  The worlds a cruel and random place, always was and always will be.  It owes you nothing.  I say, live in it to the best of your abilities and fook it all when the shit falls down.

[Coumarin]

It's Islam shaking it's fist at the world again....which ever way you look at it.

[ldopas]

It's Islam shaking it's fist at the world again....which ever way you look at it.

I think a lot of decent Muslims, the vast majority, would disagree with you. This isn't Islam, it is a minority of murderers who are using Islam as an excuse to butcher and subjugate. And statistics show us it is the Islamic world that suffers the most!
 

[Amandistan]

I second that. I am living in Turkey now. It is made up of mostly Muslims. From what I have observed is that they hate ISIS. They feel that these extremists groups are ruining the reputation of their religion.
They would never think of terrorizing anyone. Since this happened, I have seen so much Anti-islamic hate speech on the internet. Ignorant people labeling all Muslims are terrorist. This attitude is bad in America where certain state governments wish to turn down innocent people running for their lives simply because *Gasp* They are Muslims!


Then Trump does as far as wishing to shut down their place of worship and track all muslims in America.
Give them a break.

[Guillaume]

On a "lighter" note...kind of "cult" interview video..."Paris attacks: Landlord of suspects claims he 'didn't know' anything""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpJzrXA1lYo

The "poor guy" is mocked  for days now on the Net...Lots of comedy videos about him and his words available everywhere...

[Simon73]

paris terriblke stuff for sure. but do u have an idea of how many hundreds oru thoiusands civilians die killed by the same terrorist shit all over the world and no one gves a shit? when it hits our countries great scandal talk and security and press for months otherwise somewhere no one goves  a shit.
plus for lots of the shit happening our countries are responsible in a direct or indirect manner
check this out for ex
http://www.france24.com/en/20151125-human-error-us-strike-kunduz-hospital-msf-doctors-without-borders

[peternotbaldyet]

Master Ray, I thought the post you apologised for earlier on in this thread was pretty much spot on and no apology was needed. By the look of it, we are going to carry on making the same mistakes we've been making for the last 25 years or so. We're going to bomb some poor people. It has solved nothing yet. It has destabilized an entire region, given birth to a medieval death cult and created a massive refugee problem. To persist with the same agenda is the very definition of insanity! On a separate note, does anyone remember the scene in 'Life of Brian' when the rebels were sat around a table trying to come up with a name for their little group to try and differentiate them from the other rebel groups? That's what we have world wide now with a huge number of these Extreme Islamist groups. They aren't a joined up organisation yet and may never be, but they are so close to one another in method and ideology, there is very little difference between them.

[Master Ray]

Hey, peter... excellent post. For the record, I wasn't apologising for my dislike of religion, I still stand by it... I personally believe that everything that is REAL in the world will one day be destroyed by something UNREAL, ie the concept of some big sky fairy (in various forms and incarnations, all dating back to days before the concept of science) that one bunch of idiots will use as an excuse to annihilate another bunch of idiots...

But some human beings do need reassurance that their brief life isn't going to end and the people they love so much haven't just disintegrated into the ether.  I might not share that belief but I wouldn't begrudge them that comfort. Heck, my Mum still sees 'signs' that her father, my Grandad, is still around... I wouldn't dream of hurting her with a rant about my anti-religion beliefs....

But that's the nice side of religion and you're absolutely right about the rest of it...

[Valstar]

I completely agree with you, Pete. Hope none of my post reflected anything else. When I said that the problem of France wasn't that they were bombing those people but had to do with the way we treated arabic immigration, I wasn't at all saying that revenge was sweet and the bomb deserved. BUT you obviously have to deal with Daesh AND with this youth that have no hope that anything good will come for them.

I don't have a solution out of the hat.

[peternotbaldyet]

Hi Valstar, I think that it is important that the different groups responsible are properly identified. I wasn't trying to negate your post, I think it's a good point. I guess in some cases, some of these groups only comprise a couple of people. Interestingly, having used 'Life of Brian' as an example, I remember watching Michael Palin and Graham Chapman at the time of the films release debating with a C of E bishop whether that film was blasphemous or disrespectful to the C of E and Christianity in general. The argument got quite heated, but no one was shot and no bombs were set off.

[Valstar]

Seen the video with Cleese and Palin with the bishop, that worth the time spent watching it

[edit] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeKWVuye1YE for the long version of he show, and Cleese about humour and islamism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ULvKtcmWgo