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Re: Similar artists to NMA
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2021, 09:00:46 PM »
https://youtu.be/66JLTwN1JC8

As said before; reminds me of a song of a certain band ..

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Re: Similar artists to NMA
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2021, 02:23:35 PM »
And Guillaume - is Le Vent Nous Portera a cover song?

I don't know! i'm not a Noir Désir specialist, i know only one album and half, a few songs here and there.

https://youtu.be/66JLTwN1JC8

As said before; reminds me of a song of a certain band ..

Which song? "You weren't there"? "White light"?

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Re: Similar artists to NMA
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2021, 03:07:17 PM »
And Guillaume - is Le Vent Nous Portera a cover song?

I don't know! i'm not a Noir Désir specialist, i know only one album and half, a few songs here and there.

https://youtu.be/66JLTwN1JC8

As said before; reminds me of a song of a certain band ..

Which song? "You weren't there"? "White light"?

I thought R&R myself.  But, I can't understand the lyrics, so it's based on rhythm and feel.

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Re: Similar artists to NMA
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2021, 03:14:48 PM »
White light imo (the guitar chords)
« Last Edit: April 05, 2021, 03:16:47 PM by marius »

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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2021, 09:41:32 AM »
Hey, their have been discussions about Noir Désir since I’ve posted, cool 😁

Le vent nous portera isn’t a cover song, no cover on Noir Désir albums, only a live Nick Cave cover on a free sample CD I had in the 90s. And live covers (at pointoise with NMA an incredible helper Skelter for example !).

I have to say, with all the stories with Cantat (the singer) I haven’t really listen to his new stuff. Even if I have disdain for all the people that started to howl with the wolf pack saying stupid shit to feel important (he’s not a women beater, that’s an accident that happened between two junkies tortured souls, not the same, and after that he haven’t forced his former wife to commit suicide), still it feels strange to listen too his new stuff. I found his single from his solo album quite bad and badly written, haven’t listened the full album. And Detroit is still sitting somewhere on my computer desktop, will have to give it a try. Funny how even if you think you don’t care about the personal life of an artist it can still influence you... but I’m still a HUGE Noir Désir fan... and my kids too 😁

For many many MANY years, the tape NMA was (are ?) giving to venues to play before the band contains songs from Noir Désir first album.
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2021, 03:47:02 PM »
I`m a fan of Noir Desir (Cantat), 16HP and Wovenhand (DEE/Humbert), this three did one song together, so after the split of Wovenhand I was interested in their following projetcs (DEE/Hacke) and Detroit (Cantat/Humbert) and Cantat solo. Detroit played a lot of Noir Desir songs live, but all 3 projects of Cantat/Humbert/Cantat are not really my cup of tea ....

I think it was 2018, when I checked the net for more news about Cantat and my french isn`t good - but I remember one article, that ex Noir Desir members and Humbert stopped working with Cantat, because he has again some old problems with treating good his new partner. Perhaps that`s not true and I`m not on FB or twitter or so, but hard to find other news about his work during the last 2 years ....

I gave him a second chance - but a third one - no, I wouldn`t.

Still interested in news about projects of DEE and Humbert.
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2021, 11:27:37 AM »
You know Lotus, it just seem to be a human tragedy, and the fact he is famous makes the news. I regret to have written "junkies" above, drug addiction would have been better...

To sum up if your french is not that good, in France, they started to use him as a symbol of violence against woman, which was soooo stupid. His girlfriend had lots of relationship problems before him. Sadly, those two personalities combined was the fuel for disaster, and sadly, Marie Trintignant was the victim (and clearly her and only her, not him), but it was not just violence against women, but a combination of both people with a LOT of anger and despair, that ended up in a tragic accident. Sadly again, those things happens, and he went to jail and was clearly morally annihilated by his act.

After jail, he went back with his former wife (who supported him all along the trial and the sentence), which end up committing suicide in their house while their kid was at home... it was really harder to still have sympathy ... even if in her suicide letter she don't mention Cantat, but say that another member of the band was awful to her...

Then the guitar player of Noir Desir went berserk about Cantat being not remorseful and acting as a victim, to what the drummer said it wasn't true, and the band exploded while preparing a new album (what was really true is not relevant, we're not in their heads).

Then Detroit, and the press was following Cantat everywhere, and feminist were protesting in front of venues or town hall, making lots of gigs canceled. Then Cantat started to be more and more seclusive, and was seing conspiracy everywhere ... the rare interviews he accepted were ... disturbing I would say. Then he made his solo effort, and was to play in some festivals, but again, feminists started protesting and most were canceled. Like often in this moments, there was no place for discussion, or explanation of any kind, the feminists accusing immediately anyone who was trying to speak calmly about this stuff ofbeing  a potential woman murderer (damn I hate so much most of the -ist -ism ... no possible discussion with those).

Since then, there's no news of him that I'm aware of. I don't follow the gossip press, I don't go on purpose to find dirt on either of the protagonists, and I have to say that in general it's a subject I avoid. There was no intention at ALL from me to make a gossip post, or to start a guilty/not guilty thread. I was just trying to explain what I know of a tragedy that cost the life of a great actress, and stopped one of the most amazing french band (one of the 3 most influential I would say, with Telephone (that I don't like that much) and Berurier Noir (that I LOVE :)).

that said, for those of you who don't know Noir Desir, go check it, and if you find a live video, that's a great way to see how amazing performers they were ! (seen them for the first time a few days before the release of the first album, january 1989, two years before my 1st NMA gig :)).
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Re: Similar artists to NMA
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2021, 12:12:57 PM »
Yes the Trintignant/Cantat story is just a tragedy, nothing more to add than Valstar Superstar has said, i also agree with him about the "-ist", "-ism" of all kinds!


one of the most amazing french band (one of the 3 most influential I would say, with Telephone (that I don't like that much) and Berurier Noir (that I LOVE :)).

and what about Trust at least their album "Répression"? ah yes, they are an hard rock band, not a rock band!

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2021, 12:37:11 PM »
There's another very interesting french artist that i've just found about these last weeks, not like NMA but his folk acoustic songs have maybe a bit of NBTS feel... like Justin is underrated by the medias and mainstream audiences, Johan Asherton is also underrated in France despite many beautiful songs and albums!:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGO3mNNKM6I&t=5s&ab_channel=JohanAsherton-Topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtHXjnlO9gg&ab_channel=JohanAsherton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVEf2l0OFq8&list=PLSc2a2fvfCvaUYfZaoraIxAZ3eqngaZx2&index=5&ab_channel=OlivierBrunel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiP7vOAbDU0&ab_channel=PedroN%C3%B3brega




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Re: Similar artists to NMA
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2021, 03:54:57 PM »
Thank you Valstar Superstar for your long posting. Now I think I understand better what I`ve read about Cantat during the last 5 years.

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« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2021, 10:06:09 AM »
one of the most amazing french band (one of the 3 most influential I would say, with Telephone (that I don't like that much) and Berurier Noir (that I LOVE :)).

and what about Trust at least their album "Répression"? ah yes, they are an hard rock band, not a rock band!

I didn’t made a distinction between rock and hard rock, Berurier Noir is a Punk band, not a plain rock band for example. Trust were a big band, and influential beyond France (AC/DC were their big friends, Anthrax did a cover of Trust for example) but I really don’t think they were as influential on French rock than the other 3. The 3 I mentioned, in my opinion, really changed French rock and even the French music industry, deeply (the industry much more by the Berurier than the 2 others, but still...).

Again, I don’t really like Telephone, but their first album was kind of an introduction for later Punk Rock, by the raw energy of it, and it took French youth by storm. And so many bands appeared in the wake of Telephone, showing that youth had something to say, with their own words, and their own « code ».

About what the Berurier have changed, I could go on for many pages so I will just be lazy and say they changed everything, from label to record prices to the way to organise gigs and the price of the gigs 😁

Noir Désir showed you could be anti establishment, have total control over the creative process, and still have a huge success while being signed (unvoluntary, with all the labels buybacks) to a huge major, which you can spit on at every media apparences you have. And, all that by doing a kind of « alternative » rock, which in France is usually not popular at all !

This subject could use much more in depth opinion but I’m lazy 😉
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