Author Topic: Remix of No Rest for the Wicked album remix request  (Read 1898 times)

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Re: Remix of No Rest for the Wicked album remix request
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2015, 07:58:01 PM »
But, Shush, it is not looking back. Those early albums are who they are. Just because a song was made a number of years ago, that song no longer is who that band is? Does New Model Army play material from "No Rest" in their live set? Did the band recently do shows featuring songs from all their albums? Did the band just release a 30 year anthology set? Of course they did. The older stuff is who a band is just as much as the newer stuff is. New Model Army is "Vengeance" and "Between Wine and Blood." I like it that way.

Go check out a Spandau Ballet show...all they play are songs from 1987. Then go check out a Paul Weller show. He pretends that his music from the '70s, '80s. and '90s does not even exist! I like NMA's approach. They view all their music as their music.

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Re: Remix of No Rest for the Wicked album remix request
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2015, 10:56:05 PM »
to make my personal point a bit clearer. i think this diskussion is about opinion. as almost everything is, and maybe all is vanity.
i said, that these thoughts don't come to my mind (requesting something). that's my point. i don't wish for improvement, which would be only in my mind. i don't thinjk about an artists work comparing it to what i would have done. well, that's not always true, but in this case it is. of course i do judge and i compare somehow. but first there is appreciation, if there is.

for example, i do appreciate the video work to angry planet. but since i am an editor, i compare it to my personal workflow and i have thoughts about that. but i recognize the work and take it as ist is.

what i don't like here, as i perceive it, is somehow the tone of fact, as if there are facts out there, why to do things this way and why not. i don't see this. i would nerver want a band to go and do something for my personal wishes. it takes something out of the relationship that i have as a listener to an artist. i'm working with what they produce, because it affects me, and that's it.

this is not about, what if they would decide to re-record it. i would listen to it. this has the feeling, and maybe i'm wrong, about demanding or wishing for from a personal point. i don't wish such things. i don't know how to explain it better.

i like to be inspired by artists and what they do. but hey have to do it first. i cannot see myself wishing they would to things that suit me better. it somehow takes the fun out, in my opinion.

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you seem like an eloquent guy (or girl)
i'll take your point: "I'll take what the artists thinks about their work over what fans think."
what i cannot stand is your style to say something are facts and always to compare it with what other artists do or did and then assuming to conclusions. who cares what the beatles or john lennon or whatever did? i mean in a discussion about remixing albums you could only state your own opinion and likes and then say, that's why YOU want it some way or another. but you cannot say, because x did it, it's trhe right thing to do.

maybe i'm not clear about what i want to say, there's a little language barrier here for me because i'm a german native speaker, but i hope the ideas come through.



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Re: Remix of No Rest for the Wicked album remix request
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2015, 12:11:50 AM »
you cannot say, because x did it, it's the right thing to do.

Sometimes you can.

If you are on your way to becoming a pretty good basketball player, wouldn't you look to what Michael Jordan did to prepare himself for a game? Don't you think that might improve your game? If you are on your way to becoming a film director, wouldn't it be wise to look at the master film directors to see how they prepared themselves for their directing assignments? If you are in a band, wouldn't you look to see how a very successful band like The Beatles navigated the waters?

Nothing wrong with learning what the greats did before you in order to help you make choices.


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Re: Remix of No Rest for the Wicked album remix request
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2015, 07:31:59 AM »
If you are on your way to becoming a pretty good basketball player, wouldn't you look to what Michael Jordan did to prepare himself for a game? Don't you think that might improve your game? If you are on your way to becoming a film director, wouldn't it be wise to look at the master film directors to see how they prepared themselves for their directing assignments? If you are in a band, wouldn't you look to see how a very successful band like The Beatles navigated the waters?

It depends on how to measure being "successful". Is it cash and sales, or authentic feelings that a piece of art can evoke. After all, you can assume a result only scarcely. You can't be 100% sure if you use some certain effect 'x' that the result is always 'y'. It depends on artist himself when he/she will decide the work is ready.

I think the comparison with games (Jordan) isn't capable to here because there's only one result, goals and winning the players are after to. But perhaps a better comparison with games would be why some people seem to follow a team year after year even though they do NOT win competitions. Maybe there's some interesting way of playing, an authentic tactic etc. that maintains the interest and makes them different compared to others...
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