How does one immigrate in an anti-immigration world?

[ldopas]

Some people don't want to move to a country and be supported by it's government. Some are willing to work very hard and pay their way.  In fact i think it's less common for immigrants to get government benefits. In my experience the mexican, south american and eastern european immigrants are the hardest workers i have ever seen.

The issue is that these people need work and should very well be allowed to live somewhere safe. Over population is world wide so everywhere it's an issue. If we opened all borders, would't we no longer have refugees? 
They could just leave without dealing with immigration legal bullshit.

That said the common travel zones are horrible for nomads/ travelers.  One can not see 26 countries in 90 days of a 180 day period.

So if I understand you right, you want free movement for everyone (which includes every disease, every terrorist) because its awful that "nomads" cannot go around the world. Well that's an easy one, the vast majority of people in all countries are not "nomads", they have homes, families, jobs, businesses, and most of all roots.

If we all opened our borders, how would you stop millions descending on, say, the Netherlands and how would the Netherlands cope then?

"Over population is world wide so everywhere it's an issue." Actually overpopulation is THE issue. and it is not an issue everywhere, Canada for example. Free migration will make it everyone's issue though. To say we can have free movement when people cultures, creeds, religions, beliefs, politics etc are all different is just not a reality.

[Master Ray]

I'd love to believe in a great big wonderful world where everybody could get along, regardless of cultural background, financial scenario, what we like / what we don't like and we're all open enough to appreciate our various good and bad points, have a lovely hug and sing 'We Are The World'...

Sadly, our world ain't like that, much as I would love it to be.  People are pre-disposed to take care of their own because it's 'a world of shit' out there, thanks to the worldwide media throwing the frighteners up us on a daily basis... them foreigners?  Taking our jobs, getting on benefits, blah de blah... 

Unlimited intergration?  Good luck with that.  Sorry.

Am I now a massive racist?   

[Pol]

This is a tough one. Every part of me screams let people move and do what they like. We don't have the right to be smug and selfish because of where we happen to be born. Yes we are the lucky ones.
Yet I realise that there has to sensibilities due to housing schools hospitals employment etc etc. Is it really a natural thing to look out for number one. I know that this issue affects other areas a lot more than where I stay so maybe I'm not best placed to comment

[ldopas]

People are pre-disposed to take care of their own because it's 'a world of shit' out there, thanks to the worldwide media throwing the frighteners up us on a daily basis... them foreigners?  Taking our jobs, getting on benefits, blah de blah... 

Hold the Phone MR. I'm sorry but I think it is a wonderful world we live in. True, some people struggle, but the sun comes out, there are people out there who love us, the air is free, the vast majority of people would help you if you fell down in the street, we are discovering cures for lots of things all the time, knowledge and science are fantastic. If we kid ourselves "it's all shit" we are missing out on so much, because it isn't. If we look inwards, which in itself is self defeating then we are lost.

What was it Ghandi said; "Be the change that you wish to see in the world".

And of course a lot of the posts here are as usual of a self flagellation kind, ie it's always about our attidudes. There are many more countries who don't want migrants, especially if those wretched people don't adhere to stone age religions, or genocidal one party states.

For example Amanda is always quoting from a perspective as she "nomads" around the US and Europe where movement is not that tricky, until she tries to work in North Korea or various African countries, many pacific islands etc she will not see what real anti-migration means.

[Master Ray]

Idopas, mate, the world of shit comment WAS in quote marks, not meant as a big statement from myself... now, I am a rather gloomy person when it comes to the general state of the world nowadays, but I do appreciate that there is an awful lot of beauty out there...

What utterly pisses me off is the way that governments and general media play people off against each other and, yes, it's often the whole 'immigrants' thing to install fear in the easily-led.  For the record, I live in a neighbourhood with an awful lot of immigrants and, bar a couple of folks, they all seem to be working every hour they can... a lot more than some of the indigenous people seem to do...   

That said (and I'm going to potentially contradict myself here, so sorry...) most countries have a finite amount of resources, whether it be healthcare, housing, benefits, schools, whatever.  The UK is a tiny island that is, basically, pretty broke.  We can only take in so many people.  There is no limitless reservoir of cash. And, despite what I said in the previous paragraph, there are neighbourhoods around the country where things aren't like what I have as my personal experience of immigration. 

It isn't that much different to balancing your own personal finances.  More outgoings vs Less incomings = a financial shit storm.  Of course, the government could hammer the REAL problem, ie tax avoidance by the wealthy (tens and possibly hundreds of billions in lost revenue)... but then we're into Alice in Wonderland territory if we expect anything like that, eh?

So... yeah. I (sorta) love the world.

 

[Amandistan]

People are pre-disposed to take care of their own because it's 'a world of shit' out there, thanks to the worldwide media throwing the frighteners up us on a daily basis... them foreigners?  Taking our jobs, getting on benefits, blah de blah... 

Hold the Phone MR. I'm sorry but I think it is a wonderful world we live in. True, some people struggle, but the sun comes out, there are people out there who love us, the air is free, the vast majority of people would help you if you fell down in the street, we are discovering cures for lots of things all the time, knowledge and science are fantastic. If we kid ourselves "it's all shit" we are missing out on so much, because it isn't. If we look inwards, which in itself is self defeating then we are lost.

What was it Ghandi said; "Be the change that you wish to see in the world".

And of course a lot of the posts here are as usual of a self flagellation kind, ie it's always about our attidudes. There are many more countries who don't want migrants, especially if those wretched people don't adhere to stone age religions, or genocidal one party states.

For example Amanda is always quoting from a perspective as she "nomads" around the US and Europe where movement is not that tricky, until she tries to work in North Korea or various African countries, many pacific islands etc she will not see what real anti-migration means.

I know some Asian people who have difficulty even getting a visitor's visa.  I spoke to someone over the internet who is having difficulty even getting a visitor's visa simply because they are from Pakistan.   They are being branded as potential terrorist just from being from a primary muslim country. 

I have looked into working in Asia or Africa as it's my next move. It's not earning any cash but really helping people. I get a place to sleep and have to pay for food because they are developing countries. I have actually never nomadic through America. It's my home country which i can't stand.   I nomad through europe and get around immigration laws by going to a country that is not in the common travel zone for a period of time.

Fortunatley I am lucky enough to have a passport that allows me to travel to many countries without paying a lot for a visa.  Basically I don't have an Asian or African passport because westerners don't even want them to visit because less than 1 percent are terrorist. Sadly if they want to attack they will find away. This just keeps out travelers.

[BlackCountryMaggiD]

You misunderstood my comment, when I said, "Oh The irony!" to your teaching English comment!
I was actually responding to your grammar error!

I don't care whether you teach Br or Am English. What I do care about is you doing it correctly!

Good to hear that you're getting your information from a (singular) man in the pub. Was this the same man that told you that Birmingham, Penzance and Bristol were the most dangerous places in the UK?

[ldopas]

You misunderstood my comment, when I said, "Oh The irony!" to your teaching English comment!
I was actually responding to your grammar error!

I don't care whether you teach Br or Am English. What I do care about is you doing it correctly!

Good to hear that you're getting your information from a (singular) man in the pub. Was this the same man that told you that Birmingham, Penzance and Bristol were the most dangerous places in the UK?

Cutting but funny! 

[ldopas]

I have looked into working in Asia or Africa as it's my next move. It's not earning any cash but really helping people. I get a place to sleep and have to pay for food because they are developing countries. I have actually never nomadic through America. It's my home country which i can't stand.   I nomad through europe and get around immigration laws by going to a country that is not in the common travel zone for a period of time.

Fortunately I am lucky enough to have a passport that allows me to travel to many countries without paying a lot for a visa.  Basically I don't have an Asian or African passport because westerners don't even want them to visit because less than 1 percent are terrorist. Sadly if they want to attack they will find away. This just keeps out travelers.

Something that I'm aching to ask as you gallivant around the world. What is it you are trying to achieve or do? What is your ultimate aim, where are you going to settle ultimately? Most people I know/knew who do what you are doing usually did it while they were obtaining a degree or just out of school to get traveling out of their system before they started their real lives.

And as for the fact you hate your country the US, I'm sorry to hear that. The US, like most countries, has done plenty wrong, but it is still one of the most generous, scientifically forward, diverse places I've ever been to. The vast majority of people I meet there are fantastic and I go there a lot to different places for work and holiday. So I don't know why you hate it so much, but there you go. Perhaps a nomadic trip round your own country might show you that?