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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2015, 09:30:59 PM »
I see the Mail is getting a bashing again!  ::)

Yes and as usual, thoroughly deserved. A spade is a spade and we all know what that vile publication spews out each day.

That is an opinion based on a personal view and bias. You are of course entitled to it, but many don't think like that and it don't make it a fact!  :)

I'm with Drummyb. Im not a fan of the Mail, but the Guardian is the left wing version of that.

Opinion = Yes
Bias = No
Fact = Open to dispute

Guardian, Independent, Al-Jazerra, New York Times, BBC, New York Post, Jerusalem Times, Kent Today : It's all angles of vision  :)

Absolutely. And they are right sometimes and they are wrong sometimes. That balance of right and wrong is definitely coloured by ones biases. Everyone is bias to some extent, yes even me!  :)

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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2015, 09:37:15 PM »
Actually MR im with you on it. If you feed peoples fears and give them a new enemy, you can cover a multitude of sins. In a months time, nothing will be written about Calais, but it wont have changed. As it hasnt in the months before now.

And the ones most screwed over, the poorer end of society, will be the ones blaming the "foreigners" as much as the middle classes.

While I have some sympathy with yours and MRs views. See what you have just done?  :)

You accuse the press of basically throwing chaff up in the air to deflect from other issues, and in doing that do you not think you are doing just the same?

The in/out numbers in any country; count, security, resources, cohesion is a real important subject. One of the most important as we struggle with overpopulation (the planets most urgent problem imo), and Diasporas of people movements.

What troubles me is that every time there is a reasonable discussion, the right start getting xenophobic and the left start shouting cover up. Its really giving me a long term migraine! In this country now every subject has chaff thrown at it; nuclear, fracking, runways, nhs, aging populations etc. And by chaff, I don't mean reasoned debate.

We need to get back to what we used to be good at and that is stripping away the shit and examining the raw core evidence of issues and then taking fast effective action.

As far as labour movement goes, you don't need to convince me, I work in engineering/construction as you know and we regularly work in this country on projects with German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese contractors who are brilliant. I myself had to train a load of them early this year for a project we managed, couldn't have met a nicer more competent bunch. Without labour movement major construction projects would not go ahead, trust me on this one. 
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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2015, 10:47:03 PM »
"You accuse the press of basically throwing chaff up in the air to deflect from other issues, and in doing that do you not think you are doing just the same?"


Im not sure of your point mate??? How so??
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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2015, 07:42:22 PM »
Gotta say, Idopas, I am also a bit unsure about what you meant there...

The massive cuts to potentially vulnerable people are an undeniable fact.

This whole 'we're gonna be swarmed / killed / eaten by the African marauders at the gates' (OK, I'm going a bit over the top there...) is just, to use a blunt word, bullshit and, again, a smokescreen to cover up whats REALLY going on.

Clarification please, sir?
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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2015, 09:24:38 PM »
Gotta say, Idopas, I am also a bit unsure about what you meant there...

The massive cuts to potentially vulnerable people are an undeniable fact.

This whole 'we're gonna be swarmed / killed / eaten by the African marauders at the gates' (OK, I'm going a bit over the top there...) is just, to use a blunt word, bullshit and, again, a smokescreen to cover up whats REALLY going on.

Clarification please, sir?

Ok, its late but I will do my best!  :)

Look at the middle of your post. Cameron did use the word swarm, but in the context of the issue. Now I don't agree with the word, but instead of concentrating on the migrant issue off the left wing press (and yourselves  :D ) go focusing on a word that the knob probably didn't mean as offense.

Now MR, because of your political persuasion you've added "killed and eaten" by African marauders. Phrases I've never seen in any paper including the Mail. If I were a Guardian leftie I could now ask you why you put the context of eaten and African together and make some point there!!!  ;) But I won't.

My issue was, and it's a few days, is that we damn a paper, political view usually based on our biases. The Mail gets mentioned all the time as if nothing it can ever say has any relevance to anything, which isn't true. Wholly denying a paper or view, for me anyway, because of our political leanings is dangerous. Just my opinion!

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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2015, 09:42:24 PM »
Er, Idopas, 'killed and eaten' was obviously an exaggeration in a black humour kind of a way.  Personally, I wouldn't put it past the usual DM readership to believe it...

Gotta ask, you been on the DM website today?  Their headline story, for many hours now, has been 'A Man with a KEY causes £9000 of damage to a £100,000 Aston Martin' and they post a picture of some black guy... not a single one of the 700+ comments is anything other than the likes of SEND 'EM BACK or whatever... tried to post something back, but my comments wouldn't be accepted...

You think the DM has been hacked or have the little Englanders finally gone all BNP and shit?
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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2015, 07:13:40 AM »
Is the daily mail the racist equivalent to what the daily sport was for perverts. Who buys this knuckle dragging trash
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2015, 07:31:54 PM »
Lack of humanity is depressing,

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There's truth not the bile from the Daily Mail.
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2015, 07:36:02 PM »
I never buy the DM but I do read the website as a barometer of what is going on in popular opinion... I can't deny, it does make me feel a bit superior...  ;)

Also, posting comments about how all immigrants should be let into the country and given even more benefits... sad, I know, it's like bear-baiting, but the comments I get back make me laugh...  ;D
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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2015, 08:02:48 PM »
Why doesn't the DM go the full way and offer their readers free membership of the nf/bnp/edl , oh that's right most of them joined up a long time ago.
And another point when did being a caring compassionate person who wanted a tiny bigger slice of the cake for the poor vulnerable and disabled make you a left winger
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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2015, 08:13:17 PM »
every newspaper has to "nourish" its selected readership. they are businesses after all. take it or leave it. personally I left when I joined the digital age.....
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« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2015, 08:17:11 PM »
but there again im "mad" so why believe a word I say?
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Re: Calais higher wall as our bastard children come home
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2015, 07:22:57 PM »
they are businesses after all.

Point well made.
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« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2015, 08:57:21 PM »
Well thank you everyone for making my point better than I ever could in the last few posts!  :)

The DM is not the BNP, just as the Guardian is not the Socialist Revolutionary Workers Party.

And while I'm certainly not defending many, not all though, of the gimps who comment on their site, the Guardian posts are just as bad from the other side. I read one last week that commented the problem with the country is all the "old shits who need to die now so the young can take over". Mmm nice.

Truth is, you are posting from your political bias. We all do it. I am a true floating voters, though I suspect a lot would say I'm right of centre on here. But Ive voted for many parties in my time.

I guess what I'm saying, (and before everyone starts shouting at me this is meant as a complement), is you lot are FAR too intelligent surely to be ranting at one newspaper you mostly don't read? Isn't it getting close to the DM readers going on about PC Liberal Guardianistas?  :D

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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2015, 11:04:06 PM »
Id guess, Idopas, that given the nature of NMA, there probably is more of a left leaning following on here. Id possibly include myself in that, in some ways but equally as Ive said, I equally go in the centre. Definitely never to the right. And hand on heart. There may be some decent stories in the DM or Grauniad. But the overwhelming feeling im left with after reading them is despair/disgust at the nasty side of it. Which taints anything good.
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