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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2015, 10:40:06 AM »
A Refugee Crisis Made in America
Will the U.S. accept responsibility for the humanitarian consequences of Washington-manufactured wars?
By Philip Giraldi • September 9, 2015

On April 29th, 2008 I had a Saul on the Road to Damascus moment. I had flipped open the Washington Post and there, on the front page, was a color photo of a two year old Iraqi boy named Ali Hussein being pulled from the rubble of a house that had been destroyed by American missiles. The little boy was wearing shorts and a t-shirt and had on his feet flip-flops. His head was hanging back at an angle that told the viewer immediately that he was dead.

Four days later on May 3rd a letter by a Dunn Loring Virginia woman named Valerie Murphy was printed by the Post. Murphy complained that the Iraqi child victim photo should not have been run in the paper because it would “stir up opposition to the war and feed anti-US sentiment.” I suppose the newspaper thought it was being impartial in printing the woman’s letter, though I couldn’t help but remember that the neocon-dominated Post had generally been unwilling to cover anything antiwar, even ignoring a gathering of 300,000 protesters in Washington in 2005. Rereading the woman’s complaint and also a comment on a website suggesting that the photo of the dead little boy had been staged, I thought to myself, “What kind of monsters have we become.” And in truth we had become monsters. Bipartisan monsters wrapped in the American flag. Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State Madeleine Albright once said that killing 500,000 Iraqi children through sanctions was “worth it.” She is now a respected elder statesman close to the Hillary Clinton campaign.

I had another epiphany last week when I saw the photo of the little Syrian boy Aylan Kurdi washed up on a Turkish beach like a bit of flotsam. He was wearing a red t-shirt and black sneakers. I thought to myself that many Americans will shake their heads when looking at the photo before moving on, more concerned about Stephen Colbert’s debut on the Late Show and the start of the NFL season.

The little boy is one of hundreds of thousands of refugees trying to get to Europe. The world media is following the crisis by focusing primarily on the inability of unprepared local governments to deal with the numbers of migrants, asking why someone somewhere can’t just “do something.” This means that somehow, as a result, the vast human tragedy has been reduced to a statistic and, inevitably, a political football.

Overwhelmed by thousands of would-be travelers, Hungary suspended train service heading towards Western Europe while countries like Serbia and Macedonia deployed their military and police along their borders in a failed attempt to completely block refugees. Italy and Greece have been overwhelmed by migrants arriving by sea. Germany, to its credit, is intending to process up to 800,000 refugee and asylum applications, mostly from Syria, while Austria and Sweden have also indicated their willingness to accept many more. Immediate neighbors of the zone of conflict, notably Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are hosting more than three million of those who are displaced, but the wealthy Arab Gulf countries and Saudi Arabia have done little or nothing to help.

Demands for a European unified strategy to deal with the problem are growing, to include sealing borders and declaring the seas off of preferred departure points in North Africa and Asia to be military zones where undocumented ships and travelers will be intercepted and turned back. One also has to suspect that the refugee crisis might be exploited by some European politicians to justify NATO “humanitarian” intervention of some sort in Syria, a move that would have to be supported by Washington. But while the bickering and maneuvering goes on, the death toll mounts. The recent discovery of 71 dead would-be migrants who suffocated in the back of a locked truck found in Austria, to include five children and a toddler, horrified the world. And that was before the dead three year old on the Turkish beach.

Many of the would-be migrants are young men looking for work in Europe, a traditional enterprise, but most of the new arrivals are families escaping the horrors of war in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yemen. Their plight has been described in the media in graphic terms, families arriving with nothing and expecting nothing, fleeing even worse conditions back at home.

The United States has taken in only a small number of the refugees and a usually voluble White House has been uncharacteristically quiet about the problem, possibly realizing that allowing in a lot of displaced foreigners at a time when there is an increasingly heated debate over immigration policy in general just might not be a good move, politically speaking. But it should perhaps be paying some attention to what caused the problem in the first place, a bit of introspection that is largely lacking both from the mainstream media and from politicians.

Indeed, I would assign to Washington most of the blame for what is happening right now. Since folks inside the beltway are particularly given to making judgements based on numerical data they might be interested in the toll exacted through America’s global war on terror. By one not unreasonable estimate, as many as four million Muslims have died or been killed as a result of the ongoing conflicts that Washington has either initiated or been party to since 2001.

There are, in addition, millions of displaced persons who have lost their homes and livelihoods, many of whom are among the human wave currently engulfing Europe. There are currently an estimated 2,590,000 refugees who have fled their homes from Afghanistan, 370,000 from Iraq, 3,880,000 million from Syria, and 1,100,000 from Somalia. The United Nations Refugee Agency is expecting at least 130,000 refugees from Yemen as fighting in that country accelerates. Between 600,000 and one million Libyans are living precariously in neighboring Tunisia.

The number of internally displaced within each country is roughly double the number of those who have actually fled and are seeking to resettle outside their homelands. Many of the latter have wound up in temporary camps run by the United Nations while others are paying criminals to transport them into Europe.

Significantly, the countries that have generated most of the refugees are all places where the United States has invaded, overthrown governments, supported insurgencies, or intervened in a civil war. The invasion of Iraq created a power vacuum that has empowered terrorism in the Arab heartland. Supporting rebels in Syria has piled Pelion on Ossa. Afghanistan continues to bleed 14 years after the United States arrived and decided to create a democracy. Libya, which was relatively stable when the U.S. and its allies intervened, is now in chaos, with its disorder spilling over into sub-Saharan Africa.

Everywhere people are fleeing the violence, which, among other benefits, has virtually obliterated the ancient Christian presence in the Middle East. Though I recognize that the refugee problem cannot be completely blamed on only one party, many of those millions would be alive and the refugees would for the most part be in their homes if it had not been for the catastrophic interventionist policies pursued by both Democratic and Republican administrations in the United States.

It is perhaps past time for Washington to begin to become accountable for what it does. The millions of people living rough or in tents, if they are lucky, need help and it is not satisfactory for the White House to continue with its silence, a posture that suggests that the refugees are somehow somebody else’s problem. They are, in fact, our problem. A modicum of honesty from President Barack Obama would be appreciated, perhaps an admission that things have not exactly worked out as planned by his administration and that of his predecessor. And money is needed. Washington throws billions of dollars to fight wars it doesn’t have to fight and to prop up feckless allies worldwide. For a change it might be refreshing to see tax money doing some good, working with the most affected states in the Middle East and Europe to resettle the homeless and making an honest effort to come to negotiated settlements to end the fighting in Syria and Yemen, both of which can only have unspeakably bad outcomes if they continue on their current trajectories.

Ironically, American hawks are exploiting the photo of the dead Syrian boy to blame the Europeans for the humanitarian crisis while also demanding an all-out effort to depose Bashar al-Assad. Last Friday’s Washington Post had a lead editorial headlined “Europe’s Abdication,” and also featured a Michael Gerson op-ed urging immediate regime change in Syria, blaming the crisis solely on Damascus. The editorial railed against European “racists” regarding the refugee plight. And it is not clear how Gerson, an evangelical neoconservative former speech writer for George W. Bush, can possibly believe that permitting Syria to fall to ISIS would benefit anyone.

We Americans are in something approaching complete denial about how truly horrible our nation’s recent impact on the rest of the world has been. We are universally hated, even by those who have their hands out to receive their Danegeld, and the world is undoubtedly shaking its head as it listens to the bile coming out of the mouths of our presidential candidates. Shakespeare observed that the “evil that men do lives after them,” but he had no experience of the United States. We choose to dissimulate regarding the bad choices we make followed up with lies to justify and mitigate our crimes. And still later the evil we do disappears down the memory hole. Literally.

In writing this piece I looked up Ali Hussein, the little Iraqi boy who was killed by the American bomb. He has been “disappeared” from Google, as well has the photo, presumably because his death did not meet community standards. He has likewise been eliminated from the Washington Post archive. The experience of Winston Smith in George Orwell’s 1984 immediately came to mind.

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, is executive director of the Council for the National Interest.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-refugee-crisis-made-in-america/



Washington has decided to do something. They are moving 20 new nuclear warheads, Typ B61-12, to germany. Germany is flying now fully armed tornado fighter jets over the balkan. These jets can be armed with nuclear warheads. What a sign to russia and to the world.



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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2015, 12:10:10 PM »
The comment actually does reek of pure Apathy.

No, i don't know what RO has been through in life but I know that it's nowhere near what the refugees are going through. We have all had struggles but would never ask this. People in Western countries should care as these are also actual human beings. Imagine if it were members of your family or people in the UK fleeing and a Syrian said "Why should we care?"  It would not be so nice.

It's not just an opinion, it expressing apathy of a very important issue. When people have that attitude they over look horrendous acts such as  genocide.


Maybe I am just more passionate about it because I have lived in a Balkan country for a month. I have seen the racist attitude that is here in Romania at the moment. They have a massive amount of unused land.

It just really pisses me off to read "Why should we care." when people risk their lives to get to safety.


 

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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2015, 04:24:13 PM »
amanda, you seem a little bit like a water pistol man/woman

Water pistol man full of ammunition
Squirtin' at fires on a worldwide mission
But did you ever think to stop to squirt
The flowers in your own backyard

(disposble heroes of hiphoprisy)

maybe this approach can do some good

your headline is really too big and can only be answered with: nothing

you can help organize something
you can ask at places where refugess are, what you can help
you can donate clothing, stuff that is needed

but i also see no duty to do so

first you have to get your own life on track, general speaking

i'm not a fan for self sacrificing for others

if you have the resources, the time, if you're really able to help without loosing yourself even your mind you should do it

but you cannot take every big problem in the world on your shoulders and you shouldn't
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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2015, 07:48:08 PM »
Someone has to do something. I can't do much of anything.
Caring is the first step. If everyone did care including ******* politicians, then we could get somewhere.

Even if it's sending items to refugees or speaking or cooking for them.
I thought about donating my car, my last thing of value that I own but that won't do them any good.
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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2015, 08:15:19 PM »
Cthulhu speaks the truth.  Far more elaborately and more eruditely than I did.

A, you posted 'What can we do to help...' and just said 'I can't do much of anything'... think you just answered your own question?

We can only do the little charity bits that may do little or nothing.  Nothing more.  It's out of our helpless hands and to take that weight and worry onto your shoulders is to invite yourself to go crazy.

Pol also touched on the point (that I made, rather clumsily, admittedly) that as upsetting as these issues are, sometimes people have their own shit going on.  Worse than the Syrians?  Probably not.  But people are still struggling in the UK and having a roof over your head and feeding yourself and your loved ones would take prescience over political / humanitarian issues.  It ain't a 'whose worse off than who' contest.  It's survival when you're forced into a corner.

Do what you need to do to soothe your soul.  I hope it helps.  Just don't get angry with others because of their own circumstances.  Many of us have offered you advice / condolence in the past when shit went south for you.  I hope you can reciprocate.   :-\

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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2015, 08:50:27 PM »
Everyone probably has their own causes that they like to give to I personally give what I can to Ayrshire cancer care who mainly help people transporting them to hospital for treatment and doing what they can. The reasons it helps people locally and everyone who works there is a volunteer unlike some other charitys.
Amanda were all with you, nobody is against you. I think everyone is trying to say to you please don't try take the weight of the worlds problems on your shoulders , your far too young for that and its a cross that nobody can possibly bare. Your obviously a very caring person and the world needs more people like you, do what you can but don't let it get too much
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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #51 on: September 23, 2015, 04:08:35 PM »
It's simple to say not to worry about it personally but if you do, you do.
One can't choose what concerns them.

Perhaps everyone is right though.
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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #52 on: September 23, 2015, 08:14:05 PM »
Washington has decided to do something. They are moving 20 new nuclear warheads, Typ B61-12, to germany. Germany is flying now fully armed tornado fighter jets over the balkan. These jets can be armed with nuclear warheads. What a sign to russia and to the world.

Oh poor little Russia!

But hold the phone, whats this:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/10/poland-warning-europe-russia-aggression-ukraine-smolensk-plane-crash

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/europeans-blink-as-putin-puts-pressure-on-nato-polling-finds

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/14/russia-aggression-prompts-estonia-latvia-lithuania/?page=all

See I think that taking one side, like we do in home politics, without looking at all the issues will always give us either the wrong solution or have us disappearing up our own backsides doing nothing. And all the while people flee and people die.

Just my take.  :)

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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #53 on: September 23, 2015, 08:30:43 PM »
Looks like i have provoked some answers here worthy of a 'Space' comment.

A couple of months ago an old lady fell over and hit her head on the kerb right outside the front of our house. I only knew it happened because my fiance screamed as she saw it happen in real time through our bedroom window. I ran across the road partly dressed in the middle of the morning to help. I brought her into our house (even though i didn't really know who she was) and proceeded to stem the blood flow. I then called for an ambulance which later took her away. She was OK.

What makes that lady less important than anyone else in distress?

Is it because my experience involved an innocent person on the receiving end of an accident?

Is it because of the fact that she didn't deserve my attention because she didn't die?

Is it because the government failed her?

Is it because she didn't have a choice?

Is it because she came from a war torn country and had to escape?

Surely my comment about why should i care has a deeper meaning. I am humane and don't like to see anyone suffer but what gives people the right on here to suggest that i should focus my efforts on the Syrian crisis?

Unfortunate things happen and have been happening for thousands of years.

I just don't have the time to care about everything, especially the things i find out of my control.





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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #54 on: September 23, 2015, 08:44:17 PM »
Anyway, on that same story. The lady that i helped said that she was very religious as she was going to church at the  time. Her parting comment was that she would pray for me as i was the person that helped her in a time of need.

That same night i went over to the local Spar shop, bought a scratch card and won £100.

Since then i have hung around the church purposely tripping old ladies over in the hope i win again.

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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #55 on: September 23, 2015, 09:11:43 PM »
RO, just PM'd you before reading this...  ignore!
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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2015, 09:22:53 PM »


That same night i went over to the local Spar shop, bought a scratch card and won £100.


See what goes around comes around!  ;)


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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2015, 09:36:10 PM »
Good questions.....hope my answers are ok!

What makes that lady less important than anyone else in distress? It doesn't, however she was there at your house and you could take action to ensure a positive outcome. It surely isn't whether people are worthy, but what can you personally do which makes the highest impact and outcome.

Is it because my experience involved an innocent person on the receiving end of an accident? How do you know she is "innocent" she could be an axe murderer?  ;) Joking aside, innocent or not she needed your help and you were at the scene to give it.

Is it because of the fact that she didn't deserve my attention because she didn't die? There are two negatives here, so I got a little lost about what you were trying to ask! If you take the negative out it basically says she deserved your attention if she did die, which I'm sure is not what you meant?  :)
 
Is it because the government failed her?b The government gets blamed for everything theses days, but surely this is not one of them. The legal term for this is an "act of god". So lets blame god. However if the pavement was broken we could blame the council. But my money is on god!

Is it because she didn't have a choice? It doesn't sound like contributory negligence, so I'm guessing she did not have a choice. If she did have a choice, I'm betting she would rather not have slipped and nearly killed herself.

Is it because she came from a war torn country and had to escape? Did she?

Surely my comment about why should i care has a deeper meaning. I am humane and don't like to see anyone suffer but what gives people the right on here to suggest that i should focus my efforts on the Syrian crisis? No one is suggesting that, I certainly didn't. But you sounded like you really did not care about anything. Perhaps we read too much into it? Perhaps a few more words before or after your sentence might have clarified that?

Unfortunate things happen and have been happening for thousands of years. Yepp, unfortunate, evil, good, wonderful things have happened as far back as we can know.

I just don't have the time to care about everything, especially the things i find out of my control. Ah now here is the rub. I agree with you in part. But it isn't the caring, as some here have said, it is what you are going to do about it. So really you are saying if you feel you can do nothing, then why care about something? Interesting point, many might argue you can do something about anything. With Syria you could donate, you could go over there to help, you could write to your local MP....some big things, some very little, but all things we could do? Whether any of us is up to the individual and a complex cocktail of motivations.
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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2015, 06:11:31 AM »
Excellent answers.

I agree, i could have elaborated a little on my 'Why Should I Care'  comment. Thank's Idopas for taking the time to try and unravel what i actually meant.

I don't usually post much on here as i don't really like the way posts can be taken out of context. Mind you though, my initial comment that provoked all this was not exactly a masterpiece. Probably the reason why i got some stick for it.

For the record, i am a nice guy!

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Re: What can we do to help all of the refugees coming in from Syria?
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2015, 02:30:58 PM »
Sorry if it my comments were a bit aggressive and acted like you don't care.

The answer is that the woman needed saving but in reality someone would have called and helped her.
As opposed to the Syrians still in Syria. If they cry or are murdered by extremist groups nobody helps.

That's the difference.
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