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Re: Killing Joke, anyone..?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 07:03:50 PM »
Thanks for that, Tony, 1991 eh?  How the hell did we get so old?   ;)

It's a fond memory of my youth, great day out.  I kind of wish I hadn't been that drunk so I'd remember it better... but that's what being young and dumb is all about, I just remember I had an amazing day that still resonates to my middle-aged years, with great friends (most of whom I am still in touch with) and here's to many more of the same!

You should investigate Killing Joke some more, they really are excellent, see previous posts as to recommendations.  Let us know how you get on with that stuff!

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2018, 01:18:00 PM »
Just realised, I forgot to put the link in my last post !  Here you go;

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/new-model-army/1991/finsbury-park-london-england-3bc72c54.html

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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2018, 06:59:20 PM »
Cheers for that, mate!  Happy days...

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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2018, 09:30:56 PM »
Update.  Absolute Dissent, Killing Joke (1980) and Night Time are superb albums.

Why have I not gotten into Killing Joke more?  They're bloody awesome!

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 11:29:34 AM »
Where have you been MR? KJ always have been my favorite band. Its usually been a rite of passage that if you like NMA you like KJ!

Got everything they've done, seen them many times.

4 phases of KJ really;

1. The 1970s/early 80's John Peel, rock'n'dub albums leading up to Fire Dances. Snobs like saying this is their best phase or this is the "real" KJ. In my opinion it isn't but they certainly made some fine music and hit big.

2. The commercial 1980s. Starting with the brilliant Nighttime and ending with the less than stellar (but it did have the brilliant My Love Of This Land still one of the best KJ songs ever) Outside the Gate album. Brighter Than A Thousand Suns is one of their best albums, get the extended version as they put out a slew of excellent 12" singles as well around that time (like NMA did) now included.

3. The Heavy Metal Years, the 1990s. While Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions is unhinged it unlocked the 1990s as a much heavier guitar sound (Age of Greed is a wall of guitar squall classic). That lasted up until 1996s Democracy. These albums I love, but not as much.

4. Coalescing of all styles. Their absolute one of the best and stone classic Killing Joke album in 2003 started the current era of quality. After Paul Raven died it continued with Youth coming back into the band. After the classic 2003 album, Hosannas from the Basements of Hell was weak in my opinion (save for the brilliant title track), as they tried to rerun the 2003 album success by replicating but the production was crap. Since then though they have produced strong releases and continue to do so.

I always think NMA and KJ go rather hand in hand. Two bands that do well and chart, but should have been much bigger with their massive songwriting talents. But I'm glad they didn't as I think it might have ruined the diamonds they are.

Need any info on KJ. I'm your man!   8)
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2018, 07:21:31 PM »
Hey ldopas, good to hear from you, sir, hope you're well!

As I said, I've dipped in and out of KJ over the years but have never really indulged, like I am doing now!  Loving much of what I'm hearing.  I did have the extended version of 'Brighter' long ago, but I lent to to someone ages ago and never saw it again, probably should re-purchase it at some point.  And you're right, the 2003 album is superb. 'Democracy' is a personal fave, not least for the superb title track. 

Isn't it brilliant to get into a band with a massive back catalogue behind them?  It's nice enough to get into a new band with some fresh new sounds, but you run out of their stuff very quickly.  But when you've got decades of stuff to immerse yourself in, good or bad... love it.  I truly envy the NMA newbie who hears one track they like and thinks 'well, I'll check out the rest of their stuff...'   :D

Thanks for your post, i will be back to you for further advice, I'm sure!   ;)

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 09:43:53 PM »
Am I correct in that KJ have released some albums after 2000's as Internet release/mp3s only? A friend of mine once claimed so.  ???
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2018, 10:22:49 PM »
Rusco, after a bit of internet research, I can only seem to find a five track release called 'In Excelsis' that was originally released on MP3...  but three of those tracks subsequently showed up on 'Absolute Dissent'... seems like it was a trailer for the subsequent album.  A finer mind than mine can probably clarify.   ;)

No 'full album' as such.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2018, 01:50:36 AM »
....I always think NMA and KJ go rather hand in hand. Two bands that do well and chart, but should have been much bigger with their massive songwriting talents
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I don't see the two bands as going hand in hand simply because based on name recognition Killing Joke would be considered an A-list band while NMA would be lucky to crack the D-list. I am speaking as one from the States and over here Killing Joke were all over our new music radio stations and even had a healthy presence on MTV. I have never ever heard a New Model Army song on the radio over here and just once did I see an NMA video on MTV (and it was a song they didn't even write, "51st State").

No doubt there are similarities between the two bands - main one being sincerity - but over here in the US of Trump the two bands were light years apart in popularity. Heck, just think of all the Metallica fans in America. Every one of them has heard of Killing Joke, while just twelve people here have heard of New Model Army.

(Your post was a great post, by the way. A very nice summary of Killing Joke's career arc.)

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2018, 09:51:07 PM »
ldopas, seeing as I've being loving so much KJ stuff, I thought I'd check out the 'less than stellar' (as you put it) 'Outside The Gate', just to see if there was such a thing as a bad KJ album...  well, it's not as classic as certain others, but it's still a pretty solid effort.  And you're right, 'My Love Of This Land' is a cracking good tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GIhuFdaLCw

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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2018, 11:18:38 AM »
Thanks for all your nice comments about my post! Hi MR, yepp I'm still going strong, over two years since THAT event but I keep fit and limit my excesses now....I'm not a fool, when life fires a bullet across your eyes you take notice!  8)  Hows things with you?

Someone asked about Killing Joke stuff not on albums or "unreleased. Here are some;

I BUY, unreleased except on a compo disk with a magazine about 5 years ago KJ with Tim Burgess on vocals, its brilliant!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMrHDdlqvFs

FEAST Of FOOLS, one of my favourite KJ tracks should have been on the album MMXII.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVDlbQaZdqE

NEW UPRISING, again excellent and was a difficult to get bonus track on MMXII. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ238quPaLI

INFERNO, great track, limited bonus track on Killing Joke 2003 release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYoCRG0P1kg

DRUG, song recorded for a computer game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEnKwtb8Cs4

PENNY DROPS, B Side of In Cythera single, again rare. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8haktZDmO0s

SIXTH SUN, unreleased track from Absolute Dissent.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehVc0-RodoA

HOLLYWOOD BABYLON, unreleased track on KJ albums (NOT the Misfits song btw!!). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vsl5E1d54Y

AFTERBURNER, B Side of Hosannas single. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wff6fBSGLyo

TRANSIENT PLACE, KJ with Peter Hook on bass, only released on a compo disc with other bands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWL3JGYkUQs

MAY DAY, unreleased should have been on Outside The Gate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcDT6JNdnKQ

ZENNON, B side of Loose Cannon single. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95X_L3eiA0A

If I think of any others, or anyone else knows any please post!!!!!  :)
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Re: Killing Joke, anyone..?
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2018, 09:01:02 PM »
Hey!  Glad you're well and yes, my old ticker still keeps on pumping in a timely and regular fashion...  I still do a bit of 'excess' every once in a while, but it's a rare thing these days...

Thanks for your KJ rareties, I will check them all out, is anything on THIS Youtube post new to you ( I know you've already mentioned a couple)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-H96qJM4-4

If KJ ever tour the UK again, let me know.  I would bloody love to see them live again!

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2018, 09:41:29 PM »
This just in.  'Extremities Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions' is a cracking good listen.   :D

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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2018, 08:03:48 AM »
So glad you're enjoying the discovery MR. Money is not our god! On a current update Jaz is currently in St Petersburg recording Symphonic Killing Joke. A collection of Killing Joke songs performed by the St Petersburg Philharmonic Orchestra and Choir. Knowing Jaz's credentials this will be an epic undertaking, a fitting tribute to mark their 40th anniversary and yet another display of the band's diversity. I for one am looking forward to it and like you wondering where the time went.

Also thanks to Idopas for sharing those links!
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2018, 10:44:21 PM »
So glad you're enjoying the discovery MR. Money is not our god! On a current update Jaz is currently in St Petersburg recording Symphonic Killing Joke. A collection of Killing Joke songs performed by the St Petersburg Philharmonic Orchestra and Choir. Knowing Jaz's credentials this will be an epic undertaking, a fitting tribute to mark their 40th anniversary and yet another display of the band's diversity. I for one am looking forward to it and like you wondering where the time went.

Also thanks to Idopas for sharing those links!

Blimey, that sounds like a good listen, can't wait for that one!