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General Category => New Model Army => Topic started by: Gaijin on April 14, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
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I recently discovered that I still have a very old CD-R of demos by NMA. There are quite a few tracks present for which no details are available and I hope to discover more about them here.
01. Poem
02. 24 Hours (Inst)
03. Betrayal (Inst)
04. Roly (Inst)
05. Ballad 2
06. Crash
07. Billy
08. Forgiven (Inst)
09. London
10. ACAB
11. Gatlin (Inst)
12. Deliver Us (Inst)
13. Blitz (Inst)
14. Master Plan (Inst)
I would like to be able to place each with it's corresponding album if possible.
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This cd-r seems to be so rare, I can`t help you - Inst? 24 Hours? Gatlin?
Some more information, please - year of the producion of that cd-r or of the recording
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This cd-r seems to be so rare, I can`t help you - Inst? 24 Hours? Gatlin?
Some more information, please - year of the producion of that cd-r or of the recording
The cd is a blank - store bought item, with mp3's of various bootleg albums on it.
The bootlegs albums are:
The Attack Demos
The Curse
Betrayal
Once Were Warriors
The Rose.
That's as much as I know, as I'm looking for the production details.
(Inst) = Instrumental Version
I've found all of them again on the web, in the hopes that some might have the relevant details attached as metadata, but have had no luck.
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That`s easier - these bootlegs albums are better known
I thought I know all 5 - but the name of some songs are new for me ...
Can`t do a full check my archive before weekend, perhaps other fans can help you earlier ;)
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Is it really the whole band there or is it one of the Justin Sullivan and Friends gigs?
I've seen some old gig lists (there was actually a site dedicated to only NMA songlists at gigs) and think it's correct they have played ACAB as a cover song long, long, long time ago. It's not impossible but (said: ) very unusual if there is an odd oi classic in a songlist. Well, Justin is known to be into The Ruts too which isn't so far away.
They've played other covers too like We Gotta Get Out of This Place.
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Is it really the whole band there or is it one of the Justin Sullivan and Friends gigs?
I've seen some old gig lists (there was actually a site dedicated to only NMA songlists at gigs) and think it's correct they have played ACAB as a cover song long, long, long time ago. It's not impossible but (said: ) very unusual if there is an odd oi classic in a songlist. Well, Justin is known to be into The Ruts too which isn't so far away.
They've played other covers too like We Gotta Get Out of This Place.
None of the tracks listed are 'Live' to an audience. They are all studio versions Rusco. The site/s you refer to are still up:
http://128.130.177.2/~zych/privat/nma/nma-plist-cdr.htm
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http://www.rawmelodymen.net/nmane/selists/setlists.htm
At the very bottom of Peter's page you'll see some of the bootlegs I mentioned and you can click to see what they contain. I've long considered Peter's pages as indispensable.
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Just trawling the internet. found this version of a song called BILLY... good tune.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0RpSZkYAo
Will post some more if I find 'em...
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Oh, and POEM...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyZt6vaNrg
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Would be really interesting to know what era the songs are.
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I'd also love to know when they're from... found most of them via the internet and most of them are pretty good...
Hmm, with a bit of 'fairy dust sprinkled on the bastards...' ;D there's the start of another LOST SONGS album right there...
We can live in hope...
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Yeah. I'd see it so that these songs are kind of a focused list of "the most ever" unreleased NMA songs that no one hasn't ever figured out "where" they reside among the other production (now as the Lost Songs is done long time ago). I'm humbly asking: is there many of you who could recognize any of them?
Common knowledge? If discounting ACAB, I can't recognize any. :)
EDIT: Ok, poor me. Didn't even recognize ACAB. Different song than what I thought. :-X
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All working groups will have a small army of rejected song ideas, and nearly all the songs you are familiar with have demo's in various stages of production.
I'm confident that the quality controller at NMA HQ has already given us the best material available.
That said, there are quite a few demos that are worth repeated listening...
The list above is merely the 14 songs out of 60-odd demo tracks that I cannot locate/intuit further details for. They do not occur 'in the wild' in such a sequence and are just listed for reference.
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I agree. NMA have stated, on so many occasions, that they're not a band to constantly look to the past...
That said, there are so many good tunes out there on those scrappy little demos...
As I said before, it'd be nice if some of those songs were tarted up a bit and released... LOST SONGS is one of my favourite NMA albums ever...
:o
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hallo Gaijin - I think you`ve used and know the same sources as I to find informations, so I can`t help you with some new details :(
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24 hours instr. - can`t remember a song of nma or ?
so I´m interested to know more abaout it
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXw-Xr8e358
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yeah, loving those tracks...
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Some rare stuff linked to it on the right hand side also ;)
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I've just been sorting through some old back up stuff today and listened to The Rose bootleg earlier. Sprinkling of fairy dust is a good description.
Done a quick search just now and I have a copy of a track called 24 hours in a folder named Roly. I am in desperate need for sleep but will listen tomorrow and see if it's insrumental.
Edited to add. I should read to the end!
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Oh, and POEM...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyZt6vaNrg
Great song! Are the lyrics available somewhere?
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Oh, and POEM...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyZt6vaNrg
Great song! Are the lyrics available somewhere?
I haven't found an official version. This is my and a contributor called Monty's best shot:
http://www.ne-ne.de/nmasongs/op.html#poem
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Oh, and POEM...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyZt6vaNrg
Great song! Are the lyrics available somewhere?
I haven't found an official version. This is my and a contributor called Monty's best shot:
http://www.ne-ne.de/nmasongs/op.html#poem
Thank you so much!! ah if only the band could put this song on a next album! NMA must have a lot of other very interesting unreleased tracks for a future "B Sides and abandoned tracks" or "Lost Songs" second part!
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POEM? A lot of these song names seem to have been made up later. Certainly not the ones I remember them having at the time.
On the 2" master tape it's titled F#NY. Recorded at the Sawmill during first T&C sessions, so probably around December 1987.
Another, which we recorded at Brian Johnson's studio in a very snowy Newcastle (Lynx?) at the same time as Courage, so probably December '86, was called FBM because, when asked how it sounded, Mond Cowie replied "Howay man, that's ******* Bastard Massive!"
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On the 2" master tape it's titled F#NY.
This one is a different song it seems, not this mysterious "Poem" song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vioz4Ylgls
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Not familiar with that one, so it's possible the name got reused for a different song. What you know as POEM I definitely have as F#NY on a studio master. I have a box full of tapes run off of various mixing desks in my loft, so I went and dug it out.
It happens... Glyn Johns started to produce an abandoned version of Brave New World almost a year before working with us on Ghost of Cain, but again, the outcome of that session was not what we were looking for. Whirlwind wasn't always called Whirlwind. The first demo of the drum and bass idea recorded at the Sawmill in 1987 for T&C was titled Crazy Horses, after the Osmonds song. The 1988 demo we did in Wales before T&C was released was Let the Wild Winds Blow, which became Whirlwind after I'd left. By then, the original drum and bass parts had been hugely simplified, following another demo where, according to Robert and Nelson, Pat Collier said the song just didn't work. I think the final version has parts of the 1988 version, along with parts of London, another abandoned one recorded at the same December 1988 session. To be fair, the output from that session wasn't great, and played a small part in my decision to leave the band before we'd even started to tour T&C.
Higher Wall and Dead Eye went through similar development hell, the former being abandoned some time after I left, and the latter relegated to a B-side following numerous mixes and re-recordings. Justin and I had a fundamental disagreement on what I should be doing. I tried to come up with another bass part, but I felt the existing line worked, and I liked playing it. While I liked what I'd done, he didn't, and neither of us would budge, which is why the bass is quite low in the mix that was eventually used. Mike Gregovich's version (with the typewriter intro) that he and I did at a studio somewhere in West London when T&C was being put together is still my favourite. There's also a better Andy Wallace mix of I Love the World that wasn't used, and a version of 225 with a string arrangement at the end, which was also abandoned.
One day I might write all of this down. Anyway, I digress. I came looking for something else, but sometimes this forum drags me in.
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Please write it all down.........your posts have made really interesting reading...i am sure there are many other people who would also be pleased to read it. Many thanks. 8)..
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One day I might write all of this down. Anyway, I digress. I came looking for something else, but sometimes this forum drags me in.
You are very welcome to digress some more! Thank you very much for this very interesting inside view! I wish I could hear some of the mentioned versions...
All the best,
Karsten
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Yes, i agree with Ghosttrain and Karsten, it's always a pleasure, interesting to read about your memories of your NMA years, so thank you Moose!
There's also a better Andy Wallace mix of I Love the World that wasn't used, and a version of 225 with a string arrangement at the end, which was also abandoned.
Too bad we couldn't listen to them, because they are two of NMA's most beautiful songs. As much as I like all previous and subsequent NMA albums, "Thunder and consolation" and "The ghost of Cain" the two albums on which you played bass, remain my favorite albums of the band, the ones that I have the most listened to since my discovery of NMA in the mid-90s!
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Please do write it all down Moose. You were part of something very special, and such deserves to be recorded and shared with those who are interested.