The Love of Hopeless Causes 30th

[Gaijin]

https://www.discogs.com/master/138478-New-Model-Army-Living-In-The-Rose-The-Ballads-EP

It's a typo for sure.

I put the Tales of the Road and the Ocean Rising live recordings of Drummy B into a DAW side-by-side for comparison.
They are different recordings though neither release has any venue details.

[Winterwulf]

In addition there's the excellent, perhaps forgotten, collaboration with Sir Tom Jones on an interpretation of Gimme Shelter.

Is there any single version release of that song out there?

Dragging my mind back over thirty years, my recollection is that this was on a charity album (for the UK homeless charity Shelter) where different artists contributed their interpretations of "Gimme Shelter" but I could be wrong about that after this length of time!

[huwcamden]

The video to the "gimme shelter" single is fantastic...it was shot on Shepherds bush green just Infront of the shepherds Bush empire on a beautiful sunny spring morning in 1993...Rob Heaton is in particularly good spirits!
I think it must have been something that their management arranged without much band consultation as Justin says he didn't understand why his band had been paired up with Tom Jones for this single!..Tom takes it well really though..explaining he has been playing with bluesy rock and roll bands his whole career and that's how he started out...which is cool as f**k I reckon.
Sad to see 30 years later the homeless problem is no better though...Infact considerably worse.

[cthulhu]

https://www.discogs.com/master/138478-New-Model-Army-Living-In-The-Rose-The-Ballads-EP

It's a typo for sure.

Oh no, please don't tell me that, i just spent 225€ for the limited edition of:
The Ballards Ep
Tracklist:
- The Ballard of Bodmin Pill
- Ballard (exclusive Whirlwind-best-version-ever-mix)
- Lust for Powder
- No Restroom
- See You In Hellsinki

Maybe i made a mistake..
 

[Gaijin]

https://www.discogs.com/master/138478-New-Model-Army-Living-In-The-Rose-The-Ballads-EP

It's a typo for sure.

Oh no, please don't tell me that, i just spent 225€ for the limited edition of:
The Ballards Ep
Tracklist:
- The Ballard of Bodmin Pill
- Ballard (exclusive Whirlwind-best-version-ever-mix)
- Lust for Powder
- No Restroom
- See You In Hellsinki

Maybe i made a mistake..
 

Lust for Powder   

[Gaijin]

The NMA/TJ collab is on these releases:

https://www.discogs.com/master/549717-Various-Gimme-Shelter

https://www.discogs.com/release/1555897-Various-Gimme-Shelter-Alternative

https://www.discogs.com/release/683715-Tom-Jones-The-Definitive-Tom-Jones-1964-2002

The second link has some resales listed for decent prices. Get them while they're cheap(ish).

The Tom Jones box has loud mastering. Also track 4.08 is TJ with The Wolfgang Press as his backing band. (They're a favourite of mine too).

[cthulhu]

Wow, thanks a lot, very good sources of information. And i checked out the link with the resales, but i won't go for it. I was more curious about the release but the site you linked seems like a very good organized place, if you search for something. Never been to Discogs before. Very cool feature, that you can choose the country of an offer. For Germany there is one CD available, abou 12€ including shipping, but for GB there are even more cheaper ones available, for a shipping to germany you must include VAT.

I put the Tales of the Road and the Ocean Rising live recordings of Drummy B into a DAW side-by-side for comparison.

What is a DAW?

[Gaijin]

Wow, thanks a lot, very good sources of information. And i checked out the link with the resales, but i won't go for it. I was more curious about the release but the site you linked seems like a very good organized place, if you search for something. Never been to Discogs before. Very cool feature, that you can choose the country of an offer. For Germany there is one CD available, abou 12€ including shipping, but for GB there are even more cheaper ones available, for a shipping to germany you must include VAT.

I put the Tales of the Road and the Ocean Rising live recordings of Drummy B into a DAW side-by-side for comparison.

What is a DAW?

DAW = Digital Audio Workstation

[cthulhu]

Ah, ok..so you compared the waveforms or did you listen to it concurrently? Anyways..the question remains: what are the original lyrics?.....

[MickC]

Thanks for all of your replies. I’ve heard most of the songs from B-sides and abandoned tracks but I somehow thought there were other songs unheard. Knife is the one song I’m not acquainted with so I’ll look for that one.

 I’m glad I’ve given you lot something to chat about. Please keep the NMA family informed.

[Gaijin]

Ah, ok..so you compared the waveforms or did you listen to it concurrently? Anyways..the question remains: what are the original lyrics?.....

I did a side-by-side comparison of the waveforms and toggled between the recordings while playing. The same instruments in the same places. I was quite interested to see just how close the two recordings are (The time keeping is so tight) - speculating to myself that EQ and compression on the live Bside could bring it very close to the live album version.

[cthulhu]

Thanks for all of your replies. I’ve heard most of the songs from B-sides and abandoned tracks but I somehow thought there were other songs unheard. Knife is the one song I’m not acquainted with so I’ll look for that one.

 I’m glad I’ve given you lot something to chat about. Please keep the NMA family informed.

I's on Lost Songs, great compilation..
Disc 1
1    Brother
2    Sunset
3    South West
4    Song to the men of England
5    Refugee
6    Higher wall
7    Far better thing
8    Rainy Night 65
9    Caslen
10    Bd 7
11    F (Sharp) NY
12    See You In Hell
Disc 2
1    Freedom
2    Wanting
3    Still here
4    If You Can't Save Me
5    Falling
6    Trees in winter
7    Knife
8    Burning Season
9    Coming up
10    Over the wire

I just totally dislike Over The Wire in that mix (think its called french remix) on the Album.

You can listen to Knife here:

NMA - Knife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJ5vvoA6JE&list=RDhXJ5vvoA6JE&start_radio=1

[Gaijin]

All Over The Wire (French Mix) done by Nemo Sandman aka Sebenza (I can't remember the person's real name)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_YRgddtnq8

He did mixes of other tracks and directed some more NMA videos

Examples:
A symphonic mix of White Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC7E8DJAyEw

A remix of Over The Wire
https://www.discogs.com/artist/361474-Sebenza

Videos

WWTG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwMaTZInxGo

Over The Wire (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3eBqETmxjI

Purity (Alternate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6wXLFzB8yA

Refugee (Remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEG9BpCh-B4

51st State (Alternate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rzYvW8vwrk



There are others no doubt.

[cthulhu]

Great gathering of information, thanks Gaijin for your effort!
I saw some of the videos before, just had a look into older ones and it totally reminded me of my experiments in the vhs days..bad quality;-) and the huge logistic effort to prepare and synchronize images. I also did a video to Wipeout later, still on analog equipment, shot on DV but edited on an analog workstation around 2002.

But i think that Nemo didn't do the French Mix he just made the video to it.

BTW..did you ever compare and analyze the differences of the Carnival Redux versions? I'm still blown away by this transformation of the sound and feeling.

[Gaijin]

Great gathering of information, thanks Gaijin for your effort!
I saw some of the videos before, just had a look into older ones and it totally reminded me of my experiments in the vhs days..bad quality;-) and the huge logistic effort to prepare and synchronize images. I also did a video to Wipeout later, still on analog equipment, shot on DV but edited on an analog workstation around 2002.

But i think that Nemo didn't do the French Mix he just made the video to it.

BTW..did you ever compare and analyze the differences of the Carnival Redux versions? I'm still blown away by this transformation of the sound and feeling.

I'm certain Nemo Sandman did the remix.
BTW - his real name is Jean Manuel Moreau. His name appears in the liner notes for the Anthology DVDs (which you can see in this link: https://www.discogs.com/release/8541096-New-Model-Army-Anthology-1980-2010/image/SW1hZ2U6OTgzMTg0OTk= )


I've not compared Carnival to the Redux version in the same way. I appreciate the differences on both but the songs from Carnival work best live IMO.
It's standout feature of Redux is the inclusion of Stoned, Fired and Full of Grace IMO - Previously a track that JS & Friends played on tour in 2004 and on RSC Vol 5