Operation Vendetta

[Toronto Popular Front]

See? I'm not the only one. There has to be something, somewhere that recognises this and gives voice to it in some sort of meaningful way. In a proper late night insomniac drunken way I even thought of standing as an independent candidate for MP under a "None Of The Above" banner - even worked out how that could actually work. But being angry and pissed is one thing. Actually fitting it in to real life and doing something is a different kettle of fish. I dunno' where the hell do you go with this impotence with how the world is?

that's kinda where i was coming from, i tend to be very synical about everything until i have had a chance to give it a good look over, I do like Anonymous in a strange way, it's just that some things within it are very contradictory - for example they don't have leaders but there seems to be a main group who post videos, mmmmmmmmmmm kinda the leading group within the group?

anyway, watch Chaplins speech at the end of The Great Dictator. Now that is someone I would like to vote for.

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Fellow insomniac aye. All my best Ideas come to me in after about 4am when I just about given up and decide to go down stairs for the next couple of hours till time to go to work. HATE the all nighters. Zombie the next day.

Even started writing poetry again in the small hours, not done that for years. Even keep a pad under the bed for when something pops into my wide awake  brain. 

Hey you like me!! Not poetry for me tho, just reams and reams of.....stuff....  half baked ideas, stupid streams of consciousness and files that should be marked "don't read if if I died and you've found this". Oh look it's 20 to 1 and we're wide awake !!! x

[Master Ray]

Chaplins speech from The Great Dictator, one of my favourite film scenes ever... this is mixed with some music from Inception, but it works... bloody brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FMNFvKEy4c

[Anna Woman von NRW]

That is brilliant - and from 1940 too! Did he have a touch of Nostradamus in him? Could have been written for today I reckon. Says it all really - if only he could have done a part 2 to tell us where to go from there. Thanks for sharing dude. x

(p.s. made me giggle that that the first suggestion is The Revolutionary Speech from V For Vendetta  )

[ldopas]

I logged in tonight to see how the discussion was going and not for the first time here, my heart sank.

Recap, the original post mentioned Anonymous. My post was aimed at people like them. If anyone cares to read my post you will see its aimed at people like them. TPF replied in kind, there was no heat or personalisation at all in this thread until later posts.

But if every time people post, its going to get personal and start ranting, its not worth the hassle is it. Nowhere in my original post for example did I refer to you Anna, but you call ME directly "deluded".

I despair sometimes I really do. Its a phyrric victory even having an opposing view on this board.

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Idopas - you have a very fair point to make. If I mistook your post as personally directed as opposed to the content of the link and over-reacted in a fiery way then you deserve a full apology and I'm sorry.

Perhaps it's down to the impersonal nature of this way of communicating. I can't see you and you can't see me. All the real personal context is missing and it's far too easy to miss the real intent behind what someone is saying. I did you a disservice.

Anna
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[Toronto Popular Front]

Perhaps it's down to the impersonal nature of this way of communicating. I can't see you and you can't see me. All the real personal context is missing and it's far too easy to miss the real intent behind what someone is saying.

forums etc are a bit cold & impersonnel when trying to have a discussion such as this, also, i don't think peoples individual sense of humor comes across propperly, easy to be offended when none intended, when only a little joke was intended.

i would like to say i have enjoyed reading peoples thoughts on this subject though

[Toronto Popular Front]

OK, here is something that sums up one of the things i was getting at earlier, humans not fully thinking. Greenpeace staged a demonstration at yesterdays Grand Prix in Belguim against Shell. One of the first things they did was to parachute over the circuit with a banner. How did they get in the air to parachute, by chartering an entirely unnecessary plane to make an environmental protest of course. But wait don't planes run on the stuff Shell produces? and those banners they used, they looked like they were a plastic type material, made using OIL. ok, so you maybe thinking i'm a little an@l, but if you want to stop Shell drilling at the North Pole stop helping create a larger market for oil products!

Rant over

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Liking that F1 thing.

Makes quite a vivid example of the contradictions we seem to have to live with . I mean you couldn't make up a clearer something or other (sorry grammatical terms were never my strongpoint - similie, metapor or something).

You can understand the decision to make a protest at a F1 race, it's pretty much the apex image of wanton oil consumption. But as you say,to carry that out by doing the same thing, well could say naieve, you say hypocrisy or you could say just pretty damn stupid.

Then the other voice starts talking and it says but at least they got the point out there, maybe with the whole X Factor culture that's all it needs to make a connection. The deeper arguments and nuances just aren't part of the mix. Bet that sounds elitist and condescending but it's not supposed to. If anything it should read despairing.

Now I'm just shooting the breeze here, thinking aloud really. I'm not saying I'm right , I don't suppose I will really support all the things I'm saying. I guess I'm just asking questions that pop into my head whilke thinking about this stuff.

Then another little chap pipes up and says but you have to live in the real world around you. The tools that "the enemy" can use are so global, powerful and widespread that unless you can find a way to use them for your own advantage the ou have no chance of making a "big enough splash" to cut into the "zeitgeist". So on balance small pain for larger gain?

I dunno' it sems like you find yourself uptight about something and you're dragged off into all thse rational tangents 'till you find yourself lost.When really all you wanted to do was shout "AAARRRRGGGGHH" I want something better.

Really I guess that's the crux of the frustraion I feel. There's no other ideas being chucked about out here. It's variations on the same shade of media grey and keep ******* going.  Politically I feel reduced to just going with anything that allows to me merely register that desire to want something else and I think that's sad.

Maybe thats why Anonymous appeals to me because I see it as a chance to make that shout. to try and get someone to at least realise all the questions we should be asking. Having an answer seems like too much to ask for.

Then again maybe the cumulative effects of a really good bank holiday weekend have got the better of me and i have shamelessly indulged my propensity to talk complete and utter bollox.
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[Toronto Popular Front]

Anna, can't argue with you.
on one hand though the crowd were booing Greenpeace, not sure they got the x factor with the crowd.

greenpeace also own a large ship, ships are notorious for spewing oil & fuel directly into the oceans, i would argue that surley it would be better for greenpeace to set up their own science wing that looks into alternative fuels that would reduce oil consumption

"Then again maybe the cumulative effects of a really good bank holiday weekend have got the better of me and i have shamelessly indulged my propensity to talk complete and utter bollox."
no, or, we both are talking loads