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Re: Knievel
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2013, 02:31:59 PM »
I don't get it. You could apply the same logic to "nothing touches". a point of view from an elitist, royal son of empire. bastard!
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2013, 02:58:32 PM »
Oh come on...
I know this isn't going to be popular but...
I believe nothing should be taboo in the arts. But if you write or sing about a person or subejct that is emotive then it needs to be in perspective or qualified.
The recent comments give me the impression that it is ok to sing about Evel Knievel because the song is about his daring-do or his personal challenges. Denis Nilsen and Myra Hindly had poblematic lives and faced personal challenges. Howzabout a song about that nice Mr Saville. I've always admired his work for charity and he had personal challenges working in the mines as a Bevin boy during the war.
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2013, 04:11:40 PM »
To be honest, there is no doubt he was right bastard. But then the song doesn't say he was an angel does it?
"You only get from me, what you pay me for!".....
It just just lays out a collection of interesting trains of thought, about him, in the third person and sometimes from the first person. The chorus "Do they come to see a man fall, or to see him fly?" is such a strong and very prophetic question on all the high octane motor sports. Let's be honest, Formula 1, Superbikes, Motorcross, Stock Cars, Rallying... What ever sport it is, the corners are where the stands are most full. The straights are full of corporate guests 90% of the time, those people are the passing interest folks. The punters who pay their own money, regularly will be on the corners, "where the action is!"... Or "where there is crashes...", that's a well known fact........
What ever drove him to using a baseball bat who can say?
None of that should detract from the validity of what I see as a great song, that chorus carries so much weight, melodically and more importantly philosophically that alone gives the song alot of weight. To me anyway. Interesting topic for sure........
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2013, 04:22:42 PM »
Oh come on...
I know this isn't going to be popular but...
I believe nothing should be taboo in the arts. But if you write or sing about a person or subejct that is emotive then it needs to be in perspective or qualified.
The recent comments give me the impression that it is ok to sing about Evel Knievel because the song is about his daring-do or his personal challenges. Denis Nilsen and Myra Hindly had poblematic lives and faced personal challenges. Howzabout a song about that nice Mr Saville. I've always admired his work for charity and he had personal challenges working in the mines as a Bevin boy during the war.

You make an interesting point. Before he died, Saville was regarded as a Saint, not the most prolific sex offender the country has ever suffered 

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Re: Knievel
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2013, 04:26:10 PM »
In fairness, I always thought Saville was a creepy bastard. My mum n dad met him a few times at St Gemmas Hospice do's and we've had some rows about the "revelations"......... They won't have it that there was unpleasantness in the creepy get. I've met folks who saw him going into his St James Hospital "flat" with teenage girls in the early hours alot........ Sick old get, good riddance.
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2013, 04:31:47 PM »
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2013, 07:43:41 PM »
To be honest, there is no doubt he was right bastard. But then the song doesn't say he was an angel does it?
"You only get from me, what you pay me for!".....

no, but the last line does say he is in heaven

in all honesty i think it is that line that doesn't sit right with me.

p.s. Stoney, was that you in Bishop car park on friday afternoon?
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2013, 10:29:15 PM »
It was indeed mate, you shoulda said sumat, I was enjoying the dubious pleasure that is Bishop Auckland on foot mate........ Afriendly face makes all the difference! lmao
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2013, 08:26:30 AM »
It was indeed mate, you shoulda said sumat, I was enjoying the dubious pleasure that is Bishop Auckland on foot mate........ Afriendly face makes all the difference! lmao

i wasn't sure it was you as i think your beard is much longer since last i saw you, neither did i have my glasses on so your little group were a little blurry , plus as i'm sure you are aware the faster you get out of bish town centre the better
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2013, 11:01:03 AM »
To be honest, there is no doubt he was right bastard. But then the song doesn't say he was an angel does it?
"You only get from me, what you pay me for!".....

no, but the last line does say he is in heaven

in all honesty i think it is that line that doesn't sit right with me.

p.s. Stoney, was that you in Bishop car park on friday afternoon?
Since the song was written as if Knievel is telling the story,he probably expects to go to heaven(if there's such a place)Bet hell is full of people who expected to be in heaven.Christian Militia springs to mind.IMHO it's a great song and an interesting thread.Suppose there's loads of songs with touchy subject material.Diane by Husker Du/Therapy springs to mind
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2013, 01:25:56 PM »
So, as long as it is "a good song" then thats ok then. Sorry.
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2013, 02:35:58 PM »
At the end of the day I don't think the song is deifying Knievel, perhaps we're looking too deeply into this subject...if you look deeply into anyone's life you will see things you don't like. I'm vegan and despise mistreatment of animals but that's not to say I refuse to associate with mere veggies(!) and meat eaters...I don't, for one second, condone the bad things Knievel did....I just think that we maybe shouldn't dwell too much on the man's life, from high upon our saintly perches. None of us is perfect, we've all caused suffering, directly or indirectly to other beings.

If people don't like the song or subject matter, fair enough. But I don't think it's meant as some glorification of nastiness.....I don't assume the band hyper-analysed the man before writing it.





 
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2013, 02:57:52 PM »
Barty, I love this and may just steal it as a quote mate!

I just think that we maybe shouldn't dwell too much on the man's life, from high upon our saintly perches. None of us is perfect, we've all caused suffering, directly or indirectly to other beings.
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2013, 03:23:34 PM »
Be my  guest, Stoney  ;)
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Re: Knievel
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 04:48:38 PM »
So, as long as it is "a good song" then thats ok then. Sorry.
IF Justin hadn't penned the lyrics to this song,I(for one)would never have known more about Knievel(via this thread)To me he was just a bloke who drove over buses etc.I now know all about the baseball bat attack etc and what happened afterwards.Yes he was an unsavoury character,but should that mean we can't write a song about him.The song doesn't glorify him IMHO,it just tells a story(or part of a story)of a man who put his neck on the line every time he went to work,knowing that most of his income came from people half hoping he'd fail.
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