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The Destruction of the NHS...
« on: March 28, 2014, 09:24:14 PM »
OK, as someone with years of service in the NHS and, who got recently thrown onto the dole queue thanks to idiotic cutbacks, I can't deny that I'm a bit biased when it comes to this topic... but read this, it's all backed up by absolute facts...

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-destruction-of-nhs.html

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2014, 12:16:52 AM »
Typical dirty tory back stabbing bastards they don't give a shit about the poor and the working class. A multi millionaire pm who hasn't got a clue about the real world. As the song says (nearly) they wanna kill the poor.
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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2014, 12:17:29 AM »
Well, as a Nurse in the NHS I agree totally!

I have seen a massive difference since the Tories took power, and not for the better.

only a matter of time before we have a private service

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2014, 02:51:28 PM »
I worked in the NHS, I now work with the new and evolving NHS. Its an emotive issue that raises ire and emotion.

Having moved away from its original concept the NHS had to evolve and change. It might be that you go to a GP or Hospital in the future that is administered by a private company but still free at the point of contact, but to be honest that was set in place under Blair. If you mean Private as in you have an operation you pay for it , I think we are still along way from that. Unfortunately the NHS has be come a Behemoth that most of us will use when we need it, but one that is also abused and taken for granted. Next time your in your GP's look at the Number of appts missed , not attended. Then look at the amount of Medicines wasted  year on year. The NHS has gone from being a respected service to an expected right that in this day and age in its current form simply cannot be allowed swallow money without recourse

My wife still works for the NHS, long hours in a job that she trained to for but bears no resemblance to actually what she does.

They say that prevention is better than cure….the sentiment was the basis of the NHS founded by Bevan, Now all it does is crisis manage people and their expectations, and that is wrong

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2014, 07:43:01 PM »
Good post, Garyah, and a respectable response to my original point...

... and I certainly agree that the NHS is seriously in need of reform.  I've never seen an organization throw so much money away.  I won't bore you with my stories, but so many times, during my time there, myself and everyone around me were shaking their heads...

But I truly don't think that priviatisation is the way forward.  I don't think privitasation of public services ever helped anyone.  Just look at the bloody railways.  Stupidly expensive and yet STILL in need of constant government bailouts...

I have family in the US and they tell me horror stories... I see the UK going the same way, without a doubt.

IMO, we need more clinically-trained staff attending to patients, not managers and consultants... but you don't need me to tell you which NHS folks are being screwed over, made redundant or accepting unacceptable pay just so they can keep their jobs... and which are not only keeping their jobs, but flourishing and multiplying...  >:(

And, referring you back to my original link, The NHS is NOT for the Tories to sell!!!  It doesn't belong to a bunch of public school rich-boys, it belongs to the tax-paying people!  This is grand theft on a grand scale!!!

Anyway, rant over.  For now.   ;)





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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2014, 10:04:59 PM »
Cheers Master Ray
I'm not sure that Privatisation is the right way forward either, the free at the point of contact concept is what makes it the special service it is. I do think that the idea of any willing provider, providing that service paid for by the taxes we all contribute too could  work, in some areas it already is, to the benefit of the communities they serve and to the Tax payer delivering high quality care within the budget given to them.

The problems I see is that Dr's Nurses and other HCP's used to be respected individuals providing high value care to those that need it. Patients are now consumers and staff perceived as public servants, and you don't me to tell you that some believe because they have paid their taxes they feel entitled to no longer treat  these individuals as valuable assets and believe that the NHS is not a privilege but a superior being given right to be used as and when they see fit. I have seen it all too often services used inappropriately because the caring NHS is seen at he place to send people when everything else fails. That said the majority of the staff do a sterling job in difficult circumstances with what they have available to to them

We could then start a whole new discussion about whether current reforms are affecting quality care or improving it.

But I'll leave there for now  ::) ::) ::)

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2014, 01:31:27 AM »
Politics  aside, everyone I personally have encountered in the NHS is a credit to the profession they are part of. Clearly there must be a good recruitment process involved to get the right people involved with the work they are going to perform

It is no surprise to me that a lot of the "developed" World is in envy of our NHS    8)

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 06:20:11 PM »
Ok deep breath................

As others have noted, the individuals in the NHS on the whole, seem to be dedicated and professional. Certainly I've had my fair share off the NHS in the last few years with more to come. I couldn't fault any of it really. Sure there have been a couple of minor grumbles but it's a huge organisation and I doubt very much whether any system is infallible. And yes, there is always room for improvement or modernisation.

But the ideological basis for what is going on comes from a very different place. Forget about anything coming from within, this is an imposition driven by a government with it's own agenda. This is nothing to do with improvement or patient care, it is (from their point of view) simply the next golden egg to sell off. The belief is that there is nothing that should not be "commodified" there has to be money made or else a thing has no value. End Of.

Now we are being asked to pay £10 a month each to fund OUR NHS on top of the NI & tax we already pay. Mark my words we won't get that back when it's sold to the lowest bidder. Nothing is worth a spit if you can't make profit. Sorry but for me that really sticks in the throat. Our forebears did not create the NHS to build a business to sell decades later for profit - they set it up to create a National Health SERVICE.

For what it's worth I don't believe any of the other "shades of grey" parties would/will be any different because they are all in bed with the deity of profit. And another thing - wait until our Police and Armed Forces are a profit chasing private enterprise then we really will be fucked.

As for the lies and lies and lies we're all sold in regard to what "they" are going to do "when" elected? Don't fool yourself it's not directed at "us" - it's directed at a tiny handful of swing voters in a even tinier handful of marginal key constituencies (if I remember correctly it works out that around 120,000 people in the UK are all that matters to any of them) Where is the None Of The Above voting box? (that's a whole different load of waffle in the making right there  ::) )

And in relation to the NHS being the envy of the world - yes to your average Joe/Joanne it probably is as they cannot help but look at us with envious eyes (wouldn't you if you couldn't get your child treatment because you had no money?). But to the spawn of Mammon in the corridors of power in those countries? They just see it as a money making opportunity same as our rapacious, self-centered bastard politicians.

Sorry if that's a really gloomy opinion but I'm afraid it's the only one I've got.

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 07:12:36 PM »
Bloody great post, Anna, far more erudite than anything I could come up with... big internet hug coming your way.

Just read the thing about the £10 a month to use the NHS today... mind=blown.

There should be massive outrage about this, but lets face it, so much of the UK population are more concerned with so much silly shit that the media drown them with .. what's Simon Cowell doing nowadays?  Hey, Kelly Brook got engaged again!  And now, giant German rats (who can chew through concrete  ???) are coming to eat our major appliances and, possibly, our children (heck, those killer spiders are SO last year...)

I'm too old and (hopefully) intelligent to think anything approaching a revolution could ever happen. A stupid concept anyway, too many folks would get hurt with no result at the end of it.  I just wish that such a large percentage of the UK populace weren't so blind, deaf and dumb... they might figure it out when it's far, far too late...

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 10:13:03 PM »
Aw, thanks Ray - hugs received with a smile. You're never quite sure how these posts are gonna' read from the other end.

so much of the UK population are more concerned with so much silly shit that the media drown them with ..

Says it all don't it?

  I just wish that such a large percentage of the UK populace weren't so blind, deaf and dumb... they might figure it out when it's far, far too late...

Nope - now we said it all!

Tragic.

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2014, 05:47:04 PM »
Thousands of people killed every year by acute kidney failure due to bad care ie not getting enough fluids whilst under the 'care' of the nhs !
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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2014, 06:22:44 PM »
Thousands of people killed every year by acute kidney failure due to bad care ie not getting enough fluids whilst under the 'care' of the nhs !

Totally agree, mate... as I said, the NHS needs a serious revamp... but can you imagine when the 'higher-ups' are figuring out 'how much money can we make from selling those fluids...'?

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2014, 10:24:45 PM »
Need to get back to basic hands on care instead of focusing on targets

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2014, 09:26:14 PM »
Getting back to the point I originally made... ******* hell, this makes me want to go all Lee Harvey Oswald on that c.u.n.t Cameron...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/17/nhs-taken-over-wall-street-cameron-health-service-privatisation

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Re: The Destruction of the NHS...
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2014, 08:39:07 PM »
Follow the links from that article and do your own googling. The TIIP is a truly colossal beast and in essence equates corporations with nation states. Frightening.
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