Scottish Independence

[Pol]

Would like to hear other peoples opinions about this
What would this mean for the rest of the UK would the north of England demand more powers either way Would certain Spanish and Canadian regions demand a vote of there own.Would Scotland be able to make a go of it on its own.
Ok before i give my opinion i will give you a bit of my background. I was brought in a labour voting moderate left wing working class family in a council estate in Kilmarnock.When i first left school i voted labour like most other people in the town. As i got a bit older my father in law was a SNP local councillor and listening to him i started voting SNP. At the last European elections i voted for the Green Party.
So its probably hardly surprising that i will be voting yes on Thursday. My main reason for this is that hardly anyone voted conservative in Scotland yet we again we ended with them in Government. Tony Blair also sold the sole of the Labour party with getting into bed with George Bush its certainly not the Labour party that my parents voted for.
Now im not saying for a second that if it happens everything will be great, yes there might be hardships along way but lets face it things aren't too great right now. A yes vote would be the opportunity to change things and if it did go tits up at least we took the chance If we vote no we can never complain again when the torys hit us with another bedroom tax or anything else
Can't believe some of crap some people have been saying the last week or so Asda n co trying to frighten us by saying prices might go up, why the Fck should they and why the Fck would we shop there if they did Anyone else hear that German banker saying Scotland would turn into pre war Nazi Germany if we vote lol n wtf
One bad thing though the rest of the UK would probably be left with a conservative government for good if we do vote yes
Lets hope after Thursday whatever the outcome we can all get on and build for the future

Say Aye  !

[Master Ray]

Good post, Pol... and I think that if the Scottish folks truly demand it, they should get what they want.

I can't claim to be an expert on Scotland and all things Scottish... so if anything I say is ignorant, please don't take offence!

I just worry that much of the 'yes' vote is based around being ruled by a government that the vast majority of English folks aren't very happy with... the Scotland independence vote isn't something that can be reversed by a new government coming in next year.  It's permanent.  And I'd love to know how the Scottish economy will react if all UK funding is cut off... what is the principle industry there?  I know that there are oil fields out there somewhere.. is that enough?

I'm sure that Scotland will then go to the EU... well, that hasn't worked out well for other countries, assuming that Scotland get in, which is not a guarantee seeing how the likes of Greece and Ireland have gotten on recently... the EU overlords might be looking at those countries and thinking 'hmmm, perhaps we should be a bit more selective...'

And it seems like there's a bit of unpleasantness going on if people want to vote 'NO'... OK, it might be media hyperbole, but if someone is being threatened for their opinions then that's bullying and I ******* hate bullies...

Bottom line... I'm not convinced that it might be the best way to go.  But if what the Scots want, then that's  what they should get.  If Hadians Wall needs to be rebuilt, then so be it.  And I wish Scotland all the best, I genuinely hope it all works out well for you guys.

 

[Pol]

The other big earning industries are whiskey food and tourism
And yes nobody should feel bullied or intimidated into not expressing their opinion

[ldopas]

Pol,you seem to be basing your vote on protest grounds? This thing is bigger than that, and will be historically significant surely? 

Im half Welsh and half English, and also want to vote yes. England doesn't usually get what it votes for either as far as parties are concerned, Scottish people tend to forget that. plus it is totally outrageous that Scottish MPs sit in Westminster voting on issues that effect me, and I have no say on what is decided in the Scottish government. It is also disgusting and undemocratic that Cameron/Milliband/Brown are going to give huge powers to Scotland if you vote no, powers the Welsh, Irish and English will not get and did not vote to give away. So I'm sorry but it very much feels like a win/win for you either way.

I think you should vote yes and lets get started on our own destinys as friends, not siamese twins! 

[Anna Woman von NRW]

In Great Britain you can't get much further south from Scotland than me! To set my own stall out. I feel an affinity and identity to Kent - it's where I was born, bred and live. Beyond that though I don't feel English, British, European or anything. Personally I don't get it but I certainly do understand why it's important to others.

But I am English and within this United Kingdom/Great Britain it's probably fair to say that out of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, on balance England came out Top Dog. Not a boast or sneer, just how I see it. So if I came from one of those parts of the Union that had been co-opted in and not done quite so well I'd probably look and see myself as living in one of the last crumbs of the British empire and wonder why the rest of the bleedin' world had got independence but we were still governed from Westminster. I don't think I'd like that. I'd have to vote yes.

What practical difference it would make and what the implications of a Yes vote would be I have no idea, quite frankly no-one seems to really know and it all depends on whether they are trying to inspire people or frighten them and seeing as I don't get to vote I cant't be arsed to follow it all 

[Heno]

i'm sort of the fence on this one. i'm concerned for peoples future if they cut the cord with england. national pride doesn't put food on the table for those that don't have a job. its the start of an economy and so there will be massive incentives for companies and entrepreneurs to start there. but the consequence must be increased taxes and less benefits, which is a real problem for those who depend on the state.

why wouldn't they propose a proper steadfast plan that eases scotland to standing alone over an extended period of time?

i get the idea that scotland has no love of tories so where will the opposition come from in their own parliament?

[Bunny]

Its an interesting one. The UK is pretty much what London wants but a million miles away from the rest of England, so for Scotland I can only imagine how alienating it is. I guess its already got its own laws and I can see how its appealing to self govern itself.

[Heno]

read this morning that the bookies are offering 5 to 1 on for a no vote

i think everyone with a sterling business is in favour of a no vote and between banks, bookies, industry, they are all looking at economics and not nationalism as being the issue. one more step to a global government i guess

[ldopas]

"quite frankly no-one seems to really know and it all depends on whether they are trying to inspire people or frighten them and seeing as I don't get to vote I cant't be arsed to follow it all "

Best sentence I've read here. Fantastic. I cant and wont, as I am not Scottish, say what will happen to them in depth if it a yes vote. I think they will struggle, but it wont be my business. Fact is as Anna says for the rest of us I suspect we just carry on carrying on and xmas is on the way! 

[Master Ray]

To be honest, I'm trying to get to the bottom of what would be a good idea for Scotland, but it's getting pretty muddy the more you read up on it... 

Now I'm no economist (to put it mildly) but my understanding of the situation so far is that Scotland wants to be independent from the UK... fine... but they're still trying to wrangle it so that The UK will still have to bail them out if it all goes tits-up... not to mention expecting guaranteed acceptance into the EU (excuse me, The UK is a member of the EU, not Scotland, you're a new country, you'll have to make do until you're accepted... no guarantee that will happen...)

Um, sorry guys, if you want to be out on your own, then you're out on your own! 

Again, please correct me if I'm being stupid, but it seems like they're wanting it both ways...   

[Pol]

I got to disagree that we would expect anyone to bail us out if it all goes tits up. Its a big gamble we could end up doing well for ourselves. Think you may be referring to the banks moving their names plates to London so that they can have Bank of England lender of last resort.
On the European issue yes i think most people expect to allowed into the European union fairly quickly the flip side to that is if Ukip and the tory back benchers get their way we will get voted out of Europe and most Scots definitely don't want that.
Look its a matter of who you trust and who you don't for every negative there is a positive There will be a whole load of issues to work out if it does happen UK , European and worldwide

[Master Ray]

I got to disagree that we would expect anyone to bail us out if it all goes tits up. Its a big gamble we could end up doing well for ourselves. Think you may be referring to the banks moving their names plates to London so that they can have Bank of England lender of last resort.
On the European issue yes i think most people expect to allowed into the European union fairly quickly the flip side to that is if Ukip and the tory back benchers get their way we will get voted out of Europe and most Scots definitely don't want that.
Look its a matter of who you trust and who you don't for every negative there is a positive There will be a whole load of issues to work out if it does happen UK , European and worldwide

As I said, Pol, I'm not an expert so hopefully no offence caused. 

Lets see what tomorrow brings, eh?  All the best, whatever happens.

[Anna Woman von NRW]

I said up there how I felt about this. And that is my truth but if I was being selfish I'd have to plead with every Scottish Person to vote Yes. Purely in the hope that a Yes win might kick off a wave of change across this whole bloody Island. It might just force us out our apathy. Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, England - yeah lets all grab power back from the greedy slugs in Westminster. Because as it stands none of us get the government we vote for - it was rigged back in history.

Have a good day tomorrow Pol, hope the Sun shines for you all up there 

[Pol]

No offence was taken Ray I don't proclaim to know half of it either
Thanks Anna i believe your right things definitely need to change

[Shush]

If Scotland leaves Great Britain, will we then be

  Little Britain