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Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« on: December 27, 2014, 06:24:42 PM »
For Christmas I received "Wine and Blood" and "High" (after one disappointing release after another, I decided to skip "High" upon its initial release). Like most NMA albums they will take time to get into, but I can already see they ain't going to be as mind-blowingly great as the early albums. So I listen to this newer stuff....and then run to my cabinet, grab an old NMA album, and listen to "No Rest For The Wicked" for the millionth time.

This happens with every NMA release -- the new stuff makes me listen to the old stuff. Because I got into the band in the early days I guess I am doomed to never enjoy the new releases as much as I see some here do. Those early albums had one great tune after another; the new albums...it is hard to find even one top song. I think the last great song the band had was "Long Goodbye" --  that goes back to 1998!

I'm doomed. I'll always get NMA albums, but the adrenaline rush I got from listening to a new NMA album is a thing of the past. Yes, I admit I played air-guitar in front of the mirror to many a NMA album. That sure didn't happen last year with the "Dog And Wolf" album. Ain't happening with "Wine and Blood" either.

Crucify me for complaining, but a NMA album release was as fantastic as your team winning the Super Bowl. You'd walk around with your shoulders straighter, your head higher, and you'd have attitude! Now I just get a little bit sadder with an NMA release, and I fall back into nostalgia and play the older records.

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Re: Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2014, 06:40:45 PM »
Such a shame you feel that way, mate... if you've read any of my ramblings, you'll know I feel the exact opposite... but each to their own and respect for your opinion.   :)

Nostalgia is a wonderful thing (God knows, I spend enough time dwelling on the past) but can I ask... do you feel the same way about other bands from your past? Their new stuff not working for you?  And, if so, is it possible that you are just feeling a bit older and missing the same buzz that you got about things when you were younger?  I can apply that to music or movies or life in general...

Do you go and see NMA live? If not, you should see how great the newer stuff goes down... something like Today Is A Good Day hits just as hard as the likes of No Rest...

Again, no disrespect for your views, but good as the older stuff is, the newer stuff has so much to offer...


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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2014, 07:40:36 PM »
.. do you feel the same way about other bands from your past?
Yeah, I feel this way about others musicians. The new stuff that Paul McCartney is releasing is no way as good as what he was doing with The Beatles.

On the other hand, I've been a Prince fan since the beginning and though his new stuff is not on the same level as his late '80s brilliance, his new output is still very interesting and good. And then take someone like Clint Eastwood -- he is making far better films now then he did back in the '80s. His work actually improved. I certainly am not nostalgiac for "Space Cowboys" or "The Rookie."

Wish NMA could still deliver the quality of their past. I understand an athelete can't maintain his level of talent, but I honestly don't know why a musician can not.

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Re: Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2014, 07:56:55 PM »
Sir, you said 'Prince'...  :o

Bloody love 'His Royal Badness'.  From 'Dirty Mind' to '7'... all so good.

But, surely, you can't equate 'Planet Earth' with 'Sign O' The Times' like you can put 'High' against 'the Ghost of Cain'?  Prince hasn't put out a great album in 20 years, whereas NMA are constantly sticking out great and innovative music that gets people going mad at the gigs?

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2014, 08:19:08 PM »
Come on, Prince's new release - just a few weeks ago, the album with the girl band - is far more interesting than NMA's new release. His album from a few years ago "3121" is an absolute Prince classic; and something like "The Rainbow Children" -- his jazz concept album -- well, yeah, I know a lot of people hated it, but I loved it and surely all can appreciate Prince's ambitious and bold move with that release.

When NMA tried to break out of their mold, the results were astonishingly awful. When I first heard those horn blasts that started off "Gigabyte Wars" my jaw dropped, I started shaking, and I wanted to throw my CD player against the wall. Take the worst shit that Dexy's Midnight Runners did and multiply that by a thousand -- you get the horns in "Gigabyte Wars." Oh, you've no idea how that song affected me. Those horns on "Gigabyte Wars" actually made me angry that I followed NMA for so many years. I figured that if the band thinks this brass arrangement is good, then they surely don't know a thing about music and have just been purely lucky with the good tunes they came up with.  That "Gigabyte" song turned me off so much from the band. How can a band I love be this awful?

Prince can break away from the norm and still deliver the goods, NMA can't. Which is why I find the new "Dog and Wolf" release a bit frustrating. It isn't Gigabyte-horrific, but where are the f***ing GUITARS!?! No guitars is not what New Model Army do!

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Re: Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2014, 08:32:58 PM »
Wow... umm...  :-\

So, NMA do something a bit different and it's awful, but Prince (who, again I have so much admiration for) does a 'jazz concept album' and it's OK?

Starting to struggle now, mate.  NMA throw is some horns and it's bad, but throw in mellow stuff like 'Someone Like Jesus' and it's shit because it doesn't have BIG guitars in it?

With respect, mate, we're getting dangerously close to trolling... any of the usual posters got anything to say on this one?   ???




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Re: Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2014, 08:55:59 PM »
Gigabyte wars is a fckin excellent tune. I've always liked it and i can respect others might have not. Well done to the band for trying something different and pulling it off.Don't really agree that the older cds were better either and I've been into nma since 84 and yes it was brilliant to hear a few tunes from the vengeance era played live recently. There is just as many  "newer" songs that are just as excellent, played live recently we had rumor and rapture to angry planet and everything in-between.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2014, 08:57:57 PM »
Dude, the point is simply that Prince CAN stretch, while NMA may not be as capable. Do you really think Justin Sullivan is a musician equal to Prince?

Prince has an otherworldy ability to stretch musically. The guy is the one musician born who can most easily move from one genre of music to another. Rock, pop, dance, funk, jazz, soul...if Prince wanted to do a grunge tune he'd put out something great.

(I will admit that Prince did have one monstrous failure when he tried a different genre. He actually wrote a fight song for his favorite football team the Minnesota Vikings. Oh, boy was it shockingly awful.)

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2014, 09:09:00 PM »
Dude, the point is simply that Prince CAN stretch, while NMA may not be as capable. Do you really think Justin Sullivan is a musician equal to Prince?

Prince has an otherworldy ability to stretch musically. The guy is the one musician born who can most easily move from one genre of music to another. Rock, pop, dance, funk, jazz, soul...if Prince wanted to do a grunge tune he'd put out something great.

(I will admit that Prince did have one monstrous failure when he tried a different genre. He actually wrote a fight song for his favorite football team the Minnesota Vikings. Oh, boy was it shockingly awful.)



I think Justin is an incredible musician and very adaptable

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Re: Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2014, 09:15:27 PM »
I don't like prince though never have and never will. You really think that he could do angry planet or any decent rock tune. Maybe I'm narrow minded but its a nma forum and I proudly love the band, nobody else comes anywhere close for me.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2014, 09:15:47 PM »
Don't really agree that the older cds were better either
No, this is not a better issue. It's music, subjective, how can we really talk about better?

My point is this: When we get into a band, there are specific things we like about that band. Their sound, their members, their point of view. Take The Beatles. Early days, great rock and roll. Now if they got a new member around '66 and just started putting out reggae tunes, would a Beatle fan be wrong to say "I liked them more in the early days"?

With New Model Army - the things that I liked were the savage guitars that knocked you out, the amazing rhythm supplied by the drummer behind that, the sharp songwriting, and most of all that bass. It was a bass unlike anything that was out there. Stuart Morrow is the greatest bass player no one knows. What he did on songs like "Frightened" defy description. It was bass playing guitar lines, it was a BIG sound, it was manic...it was basically like if you gave Keith Moon a bass guitar. Morrow created a controlled chaos that was absolutely extraordinary.

Now the drummer, the bass player, and the savagery of the guitar are no longer present in the band. Am I wrong to say I liked the band more back then? Those things - the drummer, bass player, and guitars - is what attracted me to the band. What I loved most about NMA.

Once again present NMA vs. older NMA is not about better. It is simply a matter of different. I was attracted to what older NMA put out, others may be attracted to what this version of the band puts out. No issues.

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2014, 09:24:37 PM »
You really think that Prince could do angry planet or any decent rock tune.
Boy, how'd this getting into a Prince thread?

I will say this: Prince can do any rock tune better than 99% of any rock musicians. Even Justin Sullivan would admit that Prince's lead guitar playing is miles ahead of his own.

You're not a Prince fan, that's cool. But anyone who has a number of Prince albums knows that when it comes to rock and roll, Prince can put most rockers under the table. You don't have to believe that, but it is true. There was a reason why when George Harrison got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall Of fame, it was Prince who was asked to perform the guitar solo to "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" as that night's finale. There are only one or two guys on Earth who can play rock lead better than him.

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2014, 09:34:37 PM »
OK, lets take Prince out of the equation...

Justin and NMA ain't adaptable and can't 'stretch'?

Can you see no difference between 'Vengence' and, say, 'Someone Like Jesus'...  :o

NMA are so diverse....


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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2014, 09:35:05 PM »
I'm attracted to everything that the band have put out though. Yes Stuart was a brilliant one off bass player but he choose to leave the band well over 25 years ago now. Yes the band had to change their sound and slightly re-invent themselves. But that's what nma such a great band the constantly changing and evolving sound. Maybe if Stuart had stayed things might have got a bit stale. As for Rob yes he was a fckin brilliant drummer but in my opinion Michael is equally as good. As for the guitars Marshall is a excellent player and Justin is even better, and Justin song writing and singing have gone from strength to strength.
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Re: Every New NMA Album Makes Me Play My Old NMA Albums
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2014, 09:39:43 PM »
I would be interested to know how many times 'Space' has been to a live gig in the last 10 years ?