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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2015, 11:49:43 PM »
I was at the legendary Clash shows at Bonds in Times Square. That place held about a thousand people but they packed in four thousand. Fire marshalls soon shut down those shows...Clash played 17 nights to make sure all ticket holders got to see them...but, man, those early gigs when there was no air to breathe were insane. Only a miracle that no one died. Pure insanity. It was like being in Hell. But it sure was fun.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2015, 07:07:59 PM »
I was at the legendary Clash shows at Bonds in Times Square. That place held about a thousand people but they packed in four thousand. Fire marshalls soon shut down those shows...Clash played 17 nights to make sure all ticket holders got to see them...but, man, those early gigs when there was no air to breathe were insane. Only a miracle that no one died. Pure insanity. It was like being in Hell. But it sure was fun.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2015, 08:43:56 PM »

You saw The Clash live?
Yeah, countless times. The Clash at Bonds shows are legendary for a reason. The Clash at the peak of their powers, I was at six of those shows. But my older brother has me beat, though. He was at the show that is the famous cover of the "London Calling" album.

Incredible live band. Great energy and passion. Also knew how to create a set list.

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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #78 on: February 22, 2015, 09:19:26 PM »
tv club  dublin

1982 or something like that

only time i saw the clash

it was enough
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #79 on: March 02, 2015, 03:42:22 PM »
It's an interesting subject, this. In the 90's I worked for a PR company that promoted various bands of NMA's ilk, them included. The important thing to remember is that it is serendipity that gets bands a rollout of exposure, if the have no strong patronage from somewhere above, which NMA do not. As such, there may be writers who'd put them in every issue of a rock mag, but if the editor only feels they warrant an album review during the launch of a new product, that's all they'll get. No double spread, no cover lines, maybe a live review. So they could hit all the major rock publications in the UK and still not have a raised profile. But whatever band you promote, the press release and the CD goes out to all the magazines just the same, and everyone at those mags at that point knew who they were. Were they dismissed out of hand sometimes by the staff there? Did nobody at some publications pick up the CD for review? Probably. But I'm sure the bands that got coverage instead aren't complaining.

Of course, an editor's job is to sell as many magazines as possible, not to do NMA a favour, so he's not going to stick them on the cover when Kid Rock is already selling magazines because of his radio exposure, which brings me to...

I presented a radio show when Strange Brotherhood came out. I played WWTG a couple of times, I didn't get any of the audience feedback that popular tracks usually generated, so I don't play it much further. When there's always more good music to play than you have hours in the show, a couple of plays is good for a band no-one is asking you to play again.

Now, I have no idea what the turnover is like for NMA these days, compared to back then. But we could put them on in our venue and sell it out, and the same seems to frequently happen now, so one can only assume album sales are similar, adjusting for how that's changed across the music business in the last 2 decades.

The conclusion I've reached with this band is that what they do (and who they are) appeals to sufficient people to allow their ambient level of success, and that is more than most talented musicians could ever hope for. Certainly for three and a half decades or so.

On the flipside, they also aren't unpopular enough. To pluck some low-hanging fruit, Limp Bizkit (a band who made very bad music) got very successful with an almost perfectly balanced discourse in which they were equal parts awesomesauce and horseshit. If everyone hates you, you can have a cover line. Maybe you can even have the cover. But people who don't like New Model Army just don't like them. They aren't vocal about it, particularly. The tribal rivalry between groups of fans (which the media will always promote because it puts food in their children's mouths) was all but over for the 80s alternative bands by the end of NMA's second decade, and the band never played up to it anyway. That's the stuff that keeps you in the media.

I think also Hopeless Causes should have been a virtual relaunch for the band, re-positioned them in the brave new decade of British alternative, but Sony didn't know what the **** to do with half the excellent bands they had on their books in those days. The neo-mods of Britpop had Paul Weller, Mr. Sullivan could have been that guy for the for the alt-rock sphere. The Almighty were briefly enormous, surfing the same wave as Therapy? and the Wildhearts. Even though LOHC charted higher than Impurity and almost as high as T&C, that link was never made.

Everything except the musician and the noise they make is a story, and NMA have always been keen to tell their own. It doesn't leave much for the media to create.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2015, 07:05:37 PM »
Interesting subject Mike? That's a damn fine interesting post. Thanks  :-*

The conclusion I've reached with this band is that what they do (and who they are) appeals to sufficient people to allow their ambient level of success, and that is more than most talented musicians could ever hope for.

Everything except the musician and the noise they make is a story, and NMA have always been keen to tell their own. It doesn't leave much for the media to create.

I think you've got it pretty much bang on there.

Given what else you said can you think of another band that's done a similar thing to a similar level?
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #81 on: March 02, 2015, 07:28:38 PM »
Interesting subject Mike? That's a damn fine interesting post. Thanks  :-*

The conclusion I've reached with this band is that what they do (and who they are) appeals to sufficient people to allow their ambient level of success, and that is more than most talented musicians could ever hope for.

Everything except the musician and the noise they make is a story, and NMA have always been keen to tell their own. It doesn't leave much for the media to create.

I think you've got it pretty much bang on there.

Given what else you said can you think of another band that's done a similar thing to a similar level?

I can.  Marillion.

Started roundabout the same time as NMA and, to be honest, became far more successful.  NMA never headlined Milton Keynes Bowl in front of 35000 people... although they should have done...   ::)

But they split with original singer Fish, changed their sound and their album sales went lower and lower (despite, IMO, making some great music) and seemed like they were destined for the gutter...

... until they split from their record company, took matters into their own hands, bought their own studio, started a real fanbase thing, asked their fans to pay for the album a year in advance (a real act of faith) and have, in recent years, become more and more highly regarded thanks to doing exactly WHAT they want WHEN they want to do it...

Sound like anyone we know?   ;)




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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2015, 10:25:29 PM »
There are lots of great bands out there that don't get the attention they should From the same start off era and same area as nma the cult , the mission, sisters of mercy to name a few
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2015, 12:20:38 AM »
The neo-mods of Britpop had Paul Weller, Mr. Sullivan could have been that guy for the for the alt-rock sphere.
That's so right. Kobain then Vedder eventually became the go to guy for the alternative nation. Prior to their emergence, Justin Sullivan could have been that guy.

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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2015, 02:20:13 AM »
There are lots of great bands out there that don't get the attention they should From the same start off era and same area as nma the cult , the mission, sisters of mercy to name a few

Yes but they are nowhere as good as NMA. they can't even touch them with a long stick.  That's like old 80's goth rock or something. NMA are not that. In fact they would fit more into the indie catagory or even none at all.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2015, 06:02:20 AM »
The cult aren't a Goth band definitely more a alternative rock band
And as for who is better, come on its the nma forum but you won't hear me arguing
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2015, 09:29:32 PM »
OK sorry.  I just get a bit touchy as I too often hear poeple label NMA as goth and they are not.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2015, 01:29:42 AM »
The neo-mods of Britpop had Paul Weller, Mr. Sullivan could have been that guy for the for the alt-rock sphere.
That's so right. Kobain then Vedder eventually became the go to guy for the alternative nation. Prior to their emergence, Justin Sullivan could have been that guy.

I'd disagree. I was being anglocentric, as I'm only qualified to speculate about the UK music scene. Which, while it hold it's own superbly, is hardly equivalent to a worldwide scale. But in the UK at least, Justin might have had a higher profile, the band a more widely spoken respect at a time when they were the musical Gandalf the upstarts were crying out for. As for Europe, different things are cool there.

It's a band fronted by a fairly regular fellow who has cultivated an exceptional musical eloquence in himself, and he'd much rather just get on with that, I think.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2015, 01:31:21 AM »
OK sorry.  I just get a bit touchy as I too often hear poeple label NMA as goth and they are not.

It is, inasmuch as it's music that goths like. Early Chemical Brothers and Josh Wink aren't remotely indie music, but it was those crowds who embraced the music, so many will rightly lump it in.
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Re: Why Are NMA So Out Of The Public Eye?
« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2015, 01:36:31 AM »
I can.  Marillion.

Marillion basically invented Kickstarter, pledgemusic et. al. NMA are pretty commercially conventional by comparison. Other bands who might reasonably be compared to both would include Hawkwind, The Wildhearts (or at least Ginger) and possibly Anathema, who I'd like to lock Justin in a studio with for a couple of months, in an Eno-y role.
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