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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2015, 01:38:03 PM »
I don't dislike them but for me the best songs are mostly by the underrated Beatle. George Harrison had the best song and that is "While my Guitar Gently Weeps". 

I am not saying that they didn't make an impact but come on "Love me Do", "She Loves you" and "I want to hold your hand."  have not lyrical and emotional depth. At least for me.  I hear some of the early songs and think How is this considered genius.

Now, Eleanor Rigby was among the best early Beatles song because it had emotion.
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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2015, 06:02:04 PM »
I think they fully deserve all the accolades. As individuals, they were quite a mixture, each of whom gave their own priceless contribution in one way or another.

Where they did have the sense was to call it a day before things got absurd. If you listen to the solo material, each of them was on a different planet by 1970. IMO, Harrison was by far the most interesting by this point.

The fact that the Stones didn't realise when to call it a day has damaged their legacy somewhat. The early stuff can be just as good and even better than The Beatles, but most of the later stuff an outright joke, sorry to say....

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2015, 07:26:00 PM »
Amandistan... IMO, those songs weren't supposed to have 'depth'.  They were just silly pop songs from a bunch of young lads... and perfect ones at that.  The concept of 'pop music' has been so degraded in recent decades, drowned in hype, fashion and bad imagery... sometimes, all that is needed is a simple concept and simple instrumentation.  And the likes of IWHYH is just a perfect example...

Pumpkin... couldn't agree more.  I started a 'Beatles vs Stones' thread a while back and I always came down on the side of The Beatles because they didn't disgrace their legacy in pursuit of more cash.  The Stones were all richer than God by the end of the 70's, yet they still threw out album after album that pissed all over the memory of their very fine earlier tunes... and still had the nerve to charge people over £100 for tickets to their last tour... seriously, how much ******* money do you need?

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2015, 09:35:42 PM »
Amandistan... IMO, those songs weren't supposed to have 'depth'.  They were just silly pop songs from a bunch of young lads... and perfect ones at that.  The concept of 'pop music' has been so degraded in recent decades, drowned in hype, fashion and bad imagery... sometimes, all that is needed is a simple concept and simple instrumentation.  And the likes of IWHYH is just a perfect example...
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The Perfect answer Master Ray. They were pop songs in the mid 60's all theses songs were on AM Radio so the length of the music was not supposed to go over 3 minutes.
 
 Let me say as an American growing up in that time You may not realized just what the Beatles did. Popular music that time was very different for one music radio  there was color barrier. Some stations did not play music by black artist That was policy in some places the top acts at least around the time just before the Beatles crossed the Pond  consisted of the remains of the Doo Wop Groups. Of course Bill Haley, Chuck Berry, of course Elvis was the King and probably Franki Valli & the 4 seasons The sound coming out of Cali was surf music with the Beach Boys and Jan &  Dean for the blacks Chubby Checker and the Motown sound was our staple with the exceptions of a few TV variety shows most of those acts Never played together in shows Read up on the Chilitin Circuit that Black Acts had to go on some real good stories.

The Beatles changed all that in one show on  Ed Sullivan. Because of the Beatles they helped every other band in England as the changed in the sound of the music and the thirst of American audiences for something new every band that was from England came and made the Sound of Rock & Roll change. from the Stones  the Kinks, Freddy & The Dreamers, Hermans Hermits, The Who, The Animals, The Yardbyrds, The Zombies, All these bands can thank the Beatles for expanding and changing the music The 1st British Invasion I am a witness to it I saw and grew up in it.

Not only that but it made American acts travel over to Europe and the stories I heard from the Black musicians who toured Europe and how warmly they were greeted and the huge audiences they had at their shows most of them never played before white audiences before It was because of the Beatles and the other British Acts who grew up on Chuck Berry or Fats Domino, Miles Davis, Muddy Waters, BB King and said that they got their inspiration by these  Black music acts.soon some Radio stations started to play both Black and white music in their setlist that's how FM came into being the place to hear all this great music. 8)
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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2015, 09:40:54 PM »
Amandistan... IMO, those songs weren't supposed to have 'depth'.  They were just silly pop songs from a bunch of young lads... and perfect ones at that.  The concept of 'pop music' has been so degraded in recent decades, drowned in hype, fashion and bad imagery... sometimes, all that is needed is a simple concept and simple instrumentation.  And the likes of IWHYH is just a perfect example...
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The Perfect answer Master Ray. They were pop songs in the mid 60's all theses songs were on AM Radio so the length of the music was not supposed to go over 3 minutes.
 
 Let me say as an American growing up in that time You may not realized just what the Beatles did. Popular music that time was very different for one music radio  there was color barrier. Some stations did not play music by black artist That was policy in some places the top acts at least around the time just before the Beatles crossed the Pond  consisted of the remains of the Doo Wop Groups. Of course Bill Haley, Chuck Berry, of course Elvis was the King and probably Franki Valli & the 4 seasons The sound coming out of Cali was surf music with the Beach Boys and Jan &  Dean for the blacks Chubby Checker and the Motown sound was our staple with the exceptions of a few TV variety shows most of those acts Never played together in shows Read up on the Chilitin Circuit that Black Acts had to go on some real good stories.

The Beatles changed all that in one show on  Ed Sullivan. Because of the Beatles they helped every other band in England as the changed in the sound of the music and the thirst of American audiences for something new every band that was from England came and made the Sound of Rock & Roll change. from the Stones  the Kinks, Freddy & The Dreamers, Hermans Hermits, The Who, The Animals, The Yardbyrds, The Zombies, All these bands can thank the Beatles for expanding and changing the music The 1st British Invasion I am a witness to it I saw and grew up in it.

Not only that but it made American acts travel over to Europe and the stories I heard from the Black musicians who toured Europe and how warmly they were greeted and the huge audiences they had at their shows most of them never played before white audiences before It was because of the Beatles and the other British Acts who grew up on Chuck Berry or Fats Domino, Miles Davis, Muddy Waters, BB King and said that they got their inspiration by these  Black music acts.soon some Radio stations started to play both Black and white music in their setlist that's how FM came into being the place to hear all this great music. 8)

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2015, 09:57:22 PM »
Interesting post Ron.

I suppose to some extent back then anyone from the States in the U.K. was a bit exciting, a bit different. Didn't mater what colour they were. During the war, black G.I.'s I remember hearing were surprised they were treated the same as their white comrades, expecting to be treated differently. I think the States more so in past U.K. popular culture has been seen as the exciting and happening place.

I have always thought that Buddy Holly opened many doors State side to black music, people not having heard such before assumed he was black when listening, - or at least, that was the impression given in the film about Buddy. Would you say there is any truth in that Ron ?

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2015, 11:01:58 PM »
Interesting post Ron.

I suppose to some extent back then anyone from the States in the U.K. was a bit exciting, a bit different. Didn't mater what colour they were. During the war, black G.I.'s I remember hearing were surprised they were treated the same as their white comrades, expecting to be treated differently. I think the States more so in past U.K. popular culture has been seen as the exciting and happening place.

I have always thought that Buddy Holly opened many doors State side to black music, people not having heard such before assumed he was black when listening, - or at least, that was the impression given in the film about Buddy. Would you say there is any truth in that Ron ?

An interesting thought  Shush although Little Richard  will always claim that he was the real inventor of the Rock and Roll Sound Buddy Holly I would not consider  opened the doors for Black music as their were always Jazz and Coltrane and Miles Davis were around and you know for the true music  Lover they had plenty of Jazz clubs see  Buddy Holly was big right around the time I was Born so I remember nothing about him My earliest recollections of music are of the 4 seasons , Cubby Checker, Beach Boys, Jan  & Dean this was maybe 1962 1963 before Kennedy was assassinated  8)
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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2015, 11:47:44 PM »
Well, maybe the fact that I wasn't born until the late 80's is why I can't fully appreciate it.
I guess if you were a kid at that time, It's different.
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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2015, 03:20:36 PM »
Yes, Amandistana, you are too young - you can`t know the world beeing young and a tv, a phone, a car or a record player wasn`t standard at home or in the neighbourhood , and Internet or a PC - that didn`t exist ...

The success of the Beatles opened the doors in many others states for other artists - in that way they (and the music business behind them) started a wind of change - it that way they can`t be overrated !
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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2015, 06:09:46 PM »
Yes, Amandistana, you are too young - you can`t know the world beeing young and a tv, a phone, a car or a record player wasn`t standard at home or in the neighbourhood , and Internet or a PC - that didn`t exist ...

The success of the Beatles opened the doors in many others states for other artists - in that way they (and the music business behind them) started a wind of change - it that way they can`t be overrated !

I think you've nailed it there Lotus.

As a cultural phenomenon The Beatles cannot be touched.

There was nothing like them before and nothing like them since: modern day "pop" acts that sell zillions and get everywhere don't kick open doors in society like those 4 scouse buggers did.

As for the music - well that's down to personal taste like every other band that's ever put a record out. Either you like it or you don't. Judgements as to whether the music is over/under-rated are purely individual. Any pronouncement by me is just as valid or absurd as anyone else's. Nobody will change my response to a piece of music and neither will I change anybody else's.

Personally - they do frack all for me, nothing that hasn't been done better by some other band somewhere along the line. There's a couple of tracks I really like but they seem to be the 2 covered by Siouxsie & The Banshees. Mind you I have to say that the version of Helter Skelter that McCartney did at Glastonbury a while back was ******* brilliant. But overall - totally overrated

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2015, 11:57:07 AM »
Well as a rock fan I've got no Beatles albums. But they did write some of the best songs ever written; A Day In The Life for example had depth and melody.

And I agree it is subjective. For example some of the artists mentioned as "better" than the Beatles here; Bob Dylan I think is pretty much shit (very small number of songs of his I like and the dude cannot sing at all). And Leonard Cohen makes me want to slit my wrists.

But people are also right, its about time and place as well!

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2015, 01:31:45 PM »
Not a big fan of theres was it Ringo who wrote yellow submarine remember Bill Hicks rip saying he did and they had to scrape him off the ceiling he was that ******* high

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2015, 08:58:53 PM »
And just to go off-post for a bit... anyone else know Beatallica?  Always makes me chuckle...  :D

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Re: Do you think that The Beatles are overrated?
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2015, 01:41:15 AM »
Nope - Not over-rated.  A great band, great solo artist, great influence.

And who's slitting their wrists over Leonard Cohen?

The person/band I can't get into is Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.  A couple good songs, but most make just shake my head.  And don't get me started on Birthday Party!