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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2015, 07:10:46 PM »
I think demand not ask. Kicking in someone's head is sick. I am guessing they would shout at them to stop. possibly even get off of the stage. That could kill somebody.
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2015, 07:14:51 PM »
Really rather glad I started this thread... such a passionate debate that I've hugely enjoyed reading...

Firstly, it confirms what I've always thought, that this Forum is far and away the BEST place to come and be part of an NMA community... anything untoward gets stamped on pretty quickly... cheers, not just to Viv but all the other fine folks who share the same ideals.  We might squabble a bit but we get through, in the end...

Secondly, it's a reminder about how we all might like to think 'we are old we are young, we are in this together...', there is still a tiny faction who take the music of this magnificent band and twist it to their own opinions / ideals... and not in a nice way.  I haven't seen a fight break out at a gig in a good long while, but it deffo happened back in 'dem old days'. Seems like it still happens, just on the internet... well, gotta be better than kicking someones face in, eh?

I think I'm gonna check out the NMA FB pages.  I suspect I won't stay there long.

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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2015, 07:47:36 PM »
This forum is a lot more civil. In the other place, this would be a nasty debate but not here.  You can have a serious, deep conversation here.
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2015, 09:38:14 PM »
yep, theres another one fooled

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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2015, 09:43:03 PM »
Oh Ray, did you have to reawaken "Forum V Facebook"  ::)

I have looked in the past at the F/B NMA group in the past via my Son's F/B account.  To me the discussion looks very similar to here - NMA trivia that no one outside of liking the band would be remotely interested in. No longer feel I am missing out on anything. At the end of the day, you cannot meet every other NMA fan and get involved with every group and discussion. This forum provides enough interest for me. I am aware there is a well attended NMA forum in Germany. I do not feel I am missing out not knowing what is happening there either.

When it was mentioned here that more nastiness had occurred on the F/B group, I went to have a look out of morbid curiosity, and found that it is now a closed group. Personally I am glad - now I know there is no point me giving it a second thought.  I accept there are things I may be missing out on such as meet-ups before gigs, etc, but even from being on here, I have only met up with 4 people in the flesh having arranged it here. At gigs I regularly see several people that I have only contacted at the gigs themselves.

If some people like to do both forum and F/B then fair enough. Personally I agree with Heno. I like the umbrella of common sense provided here by V/S to make sure we all play nicely  ;)

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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2015, 10:15:35 PM »
Too be honest Im not connected with fb so I was wondering right now is this theme still active ? Talked about it with Joolz 1 year ago ......
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2015, 10:23:13 PM »
Depending on old fans, aggression in eighties etc. the bands cannot choose their fans in a long term. It would be ridiculous to think what would had JS & co do if they'd see someone kicking someone's head. Although it's not unreal to happen in this crazy world, but I'm quite sure at least they would ask them to stop it of course.

Yes and no. If NMA had written pop songs about love and peace and flowers they would have ended up with an entirely different audience. That doesn't mean that they are responsible for every idiot that follows them. But if you write a lot of songs about hate, anger and frustration you are setting the scene for some of those emotions to manifest themselves in ways that you may not have intended. The band have long since moved on but a small number of their fans haven't.

And as for the FB page, I think we all agree that this forum is a far better platform for interesting discussions. To me it's an 'as well as' rather than an 'either/or' thing. The group has over 5000 members and only a small but vocal minority give it a bad name. Bottom line: You're really not missing anything special but it does have the odd interesting thread.

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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2015, 08:43:32 AM »
Too be honest Im not connected with fb so I was wondering right now is this theme still active ? Talked about it with Joolz 1 year ago ......

Not the same. I am now the one who is hated.
I didn't get their English sense of humor.  I took it as offensive and then they attacked my mental health. They used stupid jokes and banter in between to hide the nastiness. But got really personal. one person even asked who had met me. It gave them an excuse to
attack my personality.  I think the feeling is worse than being shoved against the wall by a school yard bully.

Then people who I have blocked all chimed in on the several gossip posts that spun off from the argument.
I asked someone to please stop posting about me indirectly and am accused of telling someone how to behave.
They don't try to listen at all. Bystanders say it's two sides. Well, no I didn't call anyone stupid *****, of inferior intelligence and attack their mental health.  I would never.

I am actually very glad to read Vivs post that this is behavior is no approved by the band.


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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2015, 01:23:13 PM »
Your better off out the Facebook group Amanda. Everything in life is an experienced gained good or bad. I'm saddened to think that such a group exists, in the real world I've always found nma fans extremely decent people and I've got nothing but good to say about the people who follow the band. This is the only social media that I use twitter Facebook etc just isn't for me maybe I'm a bit old fashioned and from last non cyber generation n don't really get it
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2015, 07:00:12 PM »
you know amanda, i like the way you cause us all here to think over our reasons for doing things. and for some there is an obvious generation gap both in terms of age and also in terms of how long people have followed nma. i was introduced in the late 80s so do not have the longevity of others but am still as aged as most.

you also must comprehend why people react a particular way. you see folks here react sometimes to what we ask or say and we can't comprehend the response. and here we are the most inclusive group of cyber friends i have ever known to exist. and it can still get heated.

and 90 per cent of human communications is not oral. and facebook is almost exclusively oral. go figure just how much people can determine the context of what you say if they can't see, hear (tone) or sense you when you are typing. but if people take the time to listen, debate, accept, understand, and even meet occasionally like members here then that goes some way to negating the lack of the 90 per cent we miss online. you have probably heard the term mindblind. well everyone on the internet is mindblind. now imagine the whole world was mindblind? well on facebook they are. social media? once again the real power of technology has been hijacked for corporate profit instead of social inclusion and the trolls only keep the hits high. facebook preys on the emotions and insecurities of people in way that is worse than tv. and with mobile people have it with them 24/7.

what i learned about facebook when looking at the social intelligence side of it was that there is nothing social about fb. and that anyone can pretend to be anyone without fear of being found out. i am not saying that anonymity is a bad thing. but it shouldn't be used to do or say something you wouldn't otherwise. i tried some time to even my wit on facebook and other places. there is no way that can happen. you can think you are right. you can think your logic stands up. you can think more people might support your view because it makes sense. you can think again.....but i pretty much guarantee you that the people who are so nasty in these groups are also striking fear into the vast majority of good people whose natural instinct is to step away for fear of attracting the next insult to themselves. its exclusive media for those who can shit out more crap faster than anyone else.

i live in a small town. lots of people i know in real life were friends on facebook. i started to dislike people because of what they said about others i know. i thought it unfair because the people they were putting down had no power to reply. there were things being said that if said in front of me i would have to say you are bang out of order. but facebook doesn't really get the message across. they can't see your eyes or notice that others have the same opinion and they can continue to be insulting. and you can get frustrated because it is not natural to be as big a prick as the person agitating. you end up having to be a bigger prick to get anywhere. you suddenly find you are someone you don't want to be. and for what? not to be seen to back down? nah, the best thing to do is to back down permanently. get out of dodge. fast.

facebook is the perfect place for people to project what they want you to see. there is nothing genuine in that. nothing real. and certainly nothing social. and when you look at the amount of people that are using it, seeking the constantly updated content, consuming anything that is new, feverishly checking for updates to stave off the anxiety of Fear Of Missing Out, it is fairly apparent to me that people are addicted and in denial about it. and as with any abuse of something, there are those that have a higher tolerance than others, and those that have no control over their habit, there are those that get more of a kick from your reaction when they provoke it than most do out of having a fb post liked by 50 people. it is these almost psychopathic people that are the real problem due to their lack of empathy with someone's feelings in a social setting. they spot nice people a mile away, know they will have no defense, and go for the kill.  a kill from behind the safety screen of their computer. sounds more like something a coward would do. probably relates to the fact that they have been mistreated in real life when younger and now have to transfer that onto others. complicated stuff i know.

but be sure it is not your fault that they are idiots. it is your fault if you keep going back to verify that they are idiots. if you know what i mean.
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2015, 08:45:56 PM »
or maybe i'm just not suited to facebook

i guess there is much less privacy on facebook and much less protection. read somewhere that you don's see all your friends updates. you only see a selection. that would be weird. and there are wonderful people and some stunning content. and probably only certain groups get hijacked. and there are only so many trolls.
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2015, 11:30:40 PM »
You don't like it much, do you  ;).

At the risk of repeating myself, I still maintain that Facebook is what you want it to be. If your 'friends' fill your news feed with unpleasant, random or plain boring content then that says more about your friends than about Facebook.

I probably use Facebook in a slightly different manner than the average user. For example, I run a sighting network for some endangered whale species that we get here off New Zealand. Facebook enables me to reach hundreds of people for free who will happily tell me what they see out on the water. These sightings make a lot of my research possible and ultimately help the protection of these whales. Furthermore, it gets everyone directly involved in the project and raises public awareness. Without Facebook, this would be a lot harder and far more expensive. Facebook helps me to keep up with the work of groups that I am interested in without having to go into lots of different websites all the time. It's a great tool for spreading and obtaining information but not so good for having discussions. The downside of course is that it is also great for spreading misinformation but so is any media.

That's what I mean when I say it is what you want it to be. I have no interest in people's squabbling but that is easily avoided. Don't like a group? Leave it. Somebody annoys you? Block or unfriend them. Life is too short to get caught up in the negative stuff. Luckily I am old enough to know which battles to pick and which to walk away from. Why have a fight with a fictitious stranger when you could learn something interesting or get some support for something that means something to you? Facebook is all those things.

I agree that to many people it is like a drug and it's not very 'social'. It's also the perfect platform for bullying and other nastiness. I still think that the bullies are the real problem though. So in that respect Facebook gives you an unfiltered view of the people that you share this planet with. And that is both frightening and heartening.

It also seems to have peaked and I fear that the next big thing won't be any better.

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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2015, 08:56:12 PM »
The page is now "unofficial", this was explained by admin and every person that commented on the name change asked reasonable questions, tried to view it as a fresh start for the page.....all except one person who was quite persistent in trying to drag up past arguments, no one took the bait, one person remarked 2 or 3 times that we should move on but no, this one person kept on agitating, I'll give you 3 guesses who? Happily it didn't work and they sloped off in a huff. Quite rightly the band don't want to be associated with it in light of the bickering but as for viciousness etc well that is open to opinion.
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2015, 09:40:20 PM »
Actually,no.  I was trying to get them to address past bullying behavior.  But no, they won't because the admin only cares about harmless spam not hurting an actual person.
I actually have a name and it's not "a certain person."  I walked away from it and enjoyed the sunshine because that's what I enjoy.

Now, I left the ******* hate group as nobody will recognize the behavior.
 
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Re: NMA on Facebook... any recommendations, good or bad?
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2015, 09:58:13 PM »

Amandastan, hun, it is safe to post here. 



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