Banned in the USA ?

[Unruh]

  I suggested George W Bush specifically was antagonistic to New Model Army. As someone who is unwilling to cut Bush slack on any issue, in this one instance it just feels true. GWB didn't need to have a specific opinion NMA. If corruption really is a top-bottom proposition, then NMA arrived when the Bush people were at their height. They dealt out media crucifixion and character assassination by the week. Each crisis more craven than the one that came before. No one needed to tell one low ranking federal official what to think of New Model Army. That official anticipated his employer's opinion. I very much doubt Bush himself, or even anyone within cabinet range were even aware of it. But if it wasn't a Bush appointee, I'll eat your hat with ketchup.

[Johnz]

I remember reading somewhere that the original case in the mid-80s was a bit of tit-for-tat between US and UK authorities and NMA got caught up in it.

JS talks about it in this article from the 80s: https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=komIU8HDrboC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=New+Model+Army+lack+of+artistic+merit+US+visa&source=bl&ots=1zMO1UA1tP&sig=H3gI_dZIMGlQ6NXEhEXtSo3U4a0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAWoVChMIq-Cm2feHyAIVwRWUCh2YpwTj#v=onepage&q=New%20Model%20Army%20lack%20of%20artistic%20merit%20US%20visa&f=false

[szmurf]

  I suggested George W Bush specifically was antagonistic to New Model Army. As someone who is unwilling to cut Bush slack on any issue, in this one instance it just feels true. GWB didn't need to have a specific opinion NMA. If corruption really is a top-bottom proposition, then NMA arrived when the Bush people were at their height. They dealt out media crucifixion and character assassination by the week. Each crisis more craven than the one that came before. No one needed to tell one low ranking federal official what to think of New Model Army. That official anticipated his employer's opinion. I very much doubt Bush himself, or even anyone within cabinet range were even aware of it. But if it wasn't a Bush appointee, I'll eat your hat with ketchup.

Do you know anything about the US bureaucratic system?  The people at the bottom are life long employees and don't give a shit about who's in office.  All they care about is getting in at 8:00 AM, 30 min for lunch and off by 4:00 PM.  They don't care if cases sit in their in-box for 6 months or that someone filling out the forms missed a check box Form 1073-C (accidentally).  They just want to do the minimal amount of work to get them through to retirement.   Not that that's so bad; that's exactly what I do at a corporate 500 company.

[Amandistan]

I think i would rather kill myself than work for a corporation.  It just seems so meaningless. It's like do the motions and go home. Nothing innovative or exciting. I just don't understand the appeal or desire to be miserable for money.

[Master Ray]

But, A, people take what they can get if the alternative is poverty and not being able to feed their families... not everyone has the courage to what you did, they just have to get through this day and the next and the one after that...

[Coumarin]

I must hold a hand up to being a US consumer. A major part of my job is GC. most of the everyday consumables like septa, inlet liners, gold seals, syringes, GC vials and caps. The best GC columns now come from America (evidently).

SGE (an Australian company) used to make excellent syringes to 5 and 10 microliter. very robust and capable of taking any force on the plunger. I have a box of them now, I installed one in July on one of my GCs. 'kin brilliant. Hamilton microsyringes all the way!!

[Coumarin]

so, im not entirely US. maybe if I was a dog and you had a biscuit? or vice versa?

[Pol]

Work can be what you make it , work mates make all the difference When I was married and the kids were younger I used to work for  nacco materials handling ( north American coal cooperation) who had bought out hyster/yale forklifts. A fairly big company I would guess, it was good money back then fck more than most are paying now around here, I certainly don't have any regrets it paid the rent and put food on the table

[Coumarin]

pol, I don't know where your from

[szmurf]

I must hold a hand up to being a US consumer. A major part of my job is GC. most of the everyday consumables like septa, inlet liners, gold seals, syringes, GC vials and caps. The best GC columns now come from America (evidently).

SGE (an Australian company) used to make excellent syringes to 5 and 10 microliter. very robust and capable of taking any force on the plunger. I have a box of them now, I installed one in July on one of my GCs. 'kin brilliant. Hamilton microsyringes all the way!!

Coumarin - I have no clue what you're on about, but I googled SGE CG syringes and about pissed myself.  Scary stuff there.  I don't want to know your occupation or hobby .

[Coumarin]

I must hold a hand up to being a US consumer. A major part of my job is GC. most of the everyday consumables like septa, inlet liners, gold seals, syringes, GC vials and caps. The best GC columns now come from America (evidently).

SGE (an Australian company) used to make excellent syringes to 5 and 10 microliter. very robust and capable of taking any force on the plunger. I have a box of them now, I installed one in July on one of my GCs. 'kin brilliant. Hamilton microsyringes all the way!!

Coumarin - I have no clue what you're on about, but I googled SGE CG syringes and about pissed myself.  Scary stuff there.  I don't want to know your occupation or hobby .

Gas Chromatography, since you didn't want to know

[Unruh]

Without getting to any dispute about the Bush administration, which was an absolute nightmare for any sentient American (thanks for ISIS btw, Dubya), I admit I don't have an intimate knowledge of the US bureaucratic system. But I do know Bush cronies packed every possible position with other Bush cronies. 'Heckuvajob' Brownie is a good example. But no more about Chimpy McFlightsuit. What I really want to know is when NMA will finally come to New York or Boston and give me a chance to see them. I've got a lot to thank them for.

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Chimpy McFlightsuit.

 

Fantastic 

[Scruff225]

  I suggested George W Bush specifically was antagonistic to New Model Army. As someone who is unwilling to cut Bush slack on any issue, in this one instance it just feels true. GWB didn't need to have a specific opinion NMA. If corruption really is a top-bottom proposition, then NMA arrived when the Bush people were at their height. They dealt out media crucifixion and character assassination by the week. Each crisis more craven than the one that came before. No one needed to tell one low ranking federal official what to think of New Model Army. That official anticipated his employer's opinion. I very much doubt Bush himself, or even anyone within cabinet range were even aware of it. But if it wasn't a Bush appointee, I'll eat your hat with ketchup.

Do you know anything about the US bureaucratic system?  The people at the bottom are life long employees and don't give a shit about who's in office.  All they care about is getting in at 8:00 AM, 30 min for lunch and off by 4:00 PM.  They don't care if cases sit in their in-box for 6 months or that someone filling out the forms missed a check box Form 1073-C (accidentally).  They just want to do the minimal amount of work to get them through to retirement.   Not that that's so bad; that's exactly what I do at a corporate 500 company.

Well said. We would all love it to be a conspiracy but I doubt it. The average civil servants is rarely tied so to the heads of government.
From talking with Justin, he said that the second time they did not get visas was likely due to timing - not enough time between application and the start of the tour. They did get the visas after the proposed tour dates and came with the next album release tour.

[Amandistan]

Why just NY or Boston?  Chances are if UK bands come to US, they come there.
They completely miss the south-east. I can't blame them though. The audience are probably too small.

Personally if I would travel to do a US tour, I would hope for California and Pacific North-west.
You could always travel to Europe to see them. That's what I do but it's probably easier because I permanently travel.