Paris

[Valstar]

Uneducated folks live in a fuckin' desert and struggle for every scrap of comfort.  They have absolutely no idea about the 'real world' (as we would call it), just what the vile bullshit that us lot call 'religion', pumped into their heads, over and over again... and also that evil thing called 'The Western World', all rich and gloating and white and throwing down incinerating bombs that murder families, all in the name of a city called 'Paris', that you've never heard of... but you've seen the corpses and heard the screams and smelled the cooking blood... 

There's a bit of confusion between France and USA there. French don't bomb those countries for decades, and even refused some of the US wars (Irak ...).

BUT, the real problem is the awful way french treated immigrants from arabic countries, immigrant that french asked for when there was full employment and used from their colonies to liberate France during WW II (look for Montecassino battle for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Monte_Cassino were french throw to butchery colonies arabic that were taken away from their village instead of sending french soldiers or other allies).

the problem is not bombs on ISIS, that is already a retaliation. the problem is the waythat french from arabic origins, that are most of the time 3rd generation immigrants, are treated. Those people are pointed for every trouble in france all the time, parked in suburbs with nothing to do, can't find a job just because of their names on a resume, and, at school, with the same grades than a "white" french, are sent on special schools to learn a job instead of finishing regular school (and believe me, as a social worker for the national school system, I see that on a daily basis).

So, France pay the failure of the integration of french from arabic origins, that will go train to ISIS camp and then go back to france to commit attacks. That was the same kind of people last january, and a few years ago with a guy named Mohamed Merah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse_and_Montauban_shootings#Profile_of_terrorist).

Hope I was clear enough typing this a little bit quick while cooking for the kids

[Rusco]

Amandistan, generally taking my point was about bearing in mind things like common net writing ethics and forum rules, not to doubt the horrendous crimes that have happened. Although the net allows us free speech I think your quote wasn't maybe too far away of an urge to act (in a way you did) that is criminal in most of countries.

I'm worried the writing here may draw those lunatics attention. After all it's a New Model Army home site.

[Amandistan]

It's criminal to say a hate group who kills innocent people deserve to be blown off the face of the earth?

It's not even a threat.  NMA wrote a song called Vengeance. It was an emotional response to nazi war criminals. How is this any different?  It's a pure emotion fueled response.

II am not a world leader, have no power and know nothing of modern warfare..
I am simply saddened and angry that this has happened.

[Bunny]

Another way of looking at it...

Uneducated folks live in a fuckin' desert and struggle for every scrap of comfort.  They have absolutely no idea about the 'real world' (as we would call it), just what the vile bullshit that us lot call 'religion', pumped into their heads, over and over again... and also that evil thing called 'The Western World', all rich and gloating and white and throwing down incinerating bombs that murder families, all in the name of a city called 'Paris', that you've never heard of... but you've seen the corpses and heard the screams and smelled the cooking blood... 

So, some powerful people, your Holy Men that you worship, come down and call the western world 'The Devil'.  Who wouldn't want to kill The Devil, especially if (a) you're utterly ignorant of world issues, (b) you've seen so much destruction and (c) THE DEVIL IS COMING TO KILL YOU!!!

Plus, you will go to Heaven if you destroy yourself, end your miserable life and relax in Paradise forever...

I'm not, for a single second, excusing what has been done, but let's please look at what's ben put to those poor ignorant people... RELIGION is just an awful thing...

I get what youre saying BUT religion is a great thing. Helping fellow man, beleiving in being a better person. All fantastic ideals. However people kill in the name of religion. People also kill with no religion. Its the person thats at fault.

In the same way Christians and Catholics killed in the name of religion, ISIS do likewise. Because it gives power and power is a great corruptor. If people didnt have religion, it would be something else to kill for.
As for ISIS, someone somewhere is funding this. You dont rally an army and supply it with a beleif. It amuses me that us "Devils" have all the wealth. Really?? So theres no money in the Arab world at all from us buying oil? No billionaire Saudi's or Egyptians?

I think ultimately its a clash of cultures that are miles and miles apart.

[Master Ray]

OK... I take back the stuff about religion.  Got personal issues with those concepts but I'll put them to one side...

I stand by my ideas that poor ignorant people are being pumped full of utter bullshit to the extent that that subsequently love the idea of death more than life by utterly evil bastards who, surprisingly, don't kill themselves but rest in financial comfort and chortle as their twisted beliefs cause untold suffering...   

[Bunny]

Yeah. Im with you there. A lot of the middle East still operates on a tribal level.

[Amandistan]

Now they landed two planes from Paris due to bomb threats.  The found explosives in a German sporting match.
They need to be dealt with or thousands will die. Like 9/11.
They are ruining the entire world and taking away the human Right to feel safe.
I don't care abouth their religion or how they live or grew up. They need to stop.
People can not be afraid to go to gig, sporting event or a cafe. Nor afraid to fly.
these are not human beings. They are scum.

[Tariq]

OK... I take back the stuff about religion.  Got personal issues with those concepts but I'll put them to one side...

I stand by my ideas that poor ignorant people are being pumped full of utter bullshit to the extent that that subsequently love the idea of death more than life by utterly evil bastards who, surprisingly, don't kill themselves but rest in financial comfort and chortle as their twisted beliefs cause untold suffering...   

I don't think we should shy away from saying religion is an awful thing if that's what we think. I happen to agree.

[Pol]

Of course religion isn't a awful thing. I respect your opinion but in my opinion your talking utter nonsense. My oldest daughter is a Mormon and know what I'm very happy for her to life her life that way. Yes she met and fell in love with a guy of that faith and converted and got married. I still love her just as much and I'm proud that she chose that life style. One that promotes healthy living without drugs and alcohol.

Just what the fck is wrong with that, should have told no marry some non religious junkie criminal arsehole instead

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Religion is a huge and complex subject. It will mean different things to different people and it's difficult to express concisely without broad strokes.

To be religious , to choose a life of faith and devotion according to belief is of itself no bad thing. It's what is done in the name of that religion which brings the problems. Interpretations of religion and it's meaning are still being debated in those religions themselves, how else would there still be scholars, seminaries etc....?

Let's be clear here. All three of the major Abrahamic faiths could, if taken literally, exhort believers to kill, maim and expunge from the face of the Earth all non-believers, sinners and assorted devils. People like me would be cast out and consigned to the 99 depth of Hell to burn for all of eternity. Although, interestingly the Ayatollah did issue a decree proclaiming we were all part of gods plan - which was nice  . Anyway my point is that calling this an intrinsic problem of Islam is a bad misdirection. It is not. Fundamentalism and extremism exist within church, mosque and synagogue.

Daesh and their affiliates have taken things to whole new level without doubt But nonetheless it is a specific interpretation and viewpoint that takes a religion twists, warps and distorts it to justify it's own desires. By invoking "God" it permits righteousness and superiority. It allows the release of bloodlust, power and barbarity  to impose control over others. That's not religion it's depravity and psychosis . Religion  is an excuse, a cloak used to dignify the actions of murderers and personally I think we should stop calling it such. Terrorism is Terrorism regardless of the flag it is done under.

Of course. for the innocent people murdered in Paris it doesn't matter what we call it.

[BlackCountryMaggiD]

Now they landed two planes from Paris due to bomb threats.  The found explosives in a German sporting match.
They need to be dealt with or thousands will die. Like 9/11.
They are ruining the entire world and taking away the human Right to feel safe.
I don't care abouth their religion or how they live or grew up. They need to stop.
People can not be afraid to go to gig, sporting event or a cafe. Nor afraid to fly.
these are not human beings. They are scum.

Tell me more about the two planes FROM Paris that were diverted and also about the explosives found in Hanover please!

[andydrbeard]

Valstar has raised some great points here. Please believe this is not said with any sense of smugness as the atrocities committed on Friday have completely demoralised me, but France has very complex and deep rooted problems almost unique to France regarding it's Muslim population that go right back to the colonisation of their African colonies in the 19th century and subsequent wars of decolonisation. It is no excuse for what was done but so many French Muslims are completely alienated and disenfranchised. And when those evil scum bags come along and fill young, disenfranchised and angry people with a purpose then you get what happened on Friday. In many ways to me seems little different to what happened in Germany in the 1920s and then 1930s and we all know what happened next. To me radical Islam or National Socialism are little different, just a label for evil people to justify their vile actions.
ISIS and organisations like them need to be stopped and there shouldn't be any complacency about this anymore, but the conditions that allow our own citizens to be turned into monsters need to be changed as well for there to be any chance of lasting progress.

[Stephanie]

Now they landed two planes from Paris due to bomb threats.  The found explosives in a German sporting match.

I don't know anything about planes but - according to offical statements here in Germany - NO explosives were found in Hanover. There were threats last night, these threats were obviously serious enough to make a last-minute decision to cancel the match. But that's it.
Which is not to say that tere might have been a risk.

And yes, I do agree that something should be done about IS - but I don't believe attacking them is the answer. It hasn't worked all that well in the past, has it? And how could it possibly work - I mean, these people aren't afraid to die. These people thing the one, big, holy war is coming, ending in some sort of Apocalypse. Therefore, by increasing attacks on them, we will just confirm those beliefs and encourage them even more to continue in their sick ways. And we'll probably also drive even more people to join them, for a whole bunch of reasons.

They need to be cut off from supplies, this is what I have read in several places and it makes sense: money, weapons, ammunition.
We need to make sure that (young) people feel safe, feel they have a perspective, are accepted - so they have no reason to listen to the false promises of the IS preachings, let alone fall for them and end up brainwashed.

It is a very complex topic - but I don't think rage and/or fear are the answer.

[Amandistan]

The news said two planes from America to Paris were diverted.
They canceled a sporting event due to an ambulance filled with explosives.
The news said that police found it before the match.  Today the news says different but yesterday my source was fairly sure explosives were found

[Stephanie]

They canceled a sporting event due to an ambulance filled with explosives.
The news said that police found it before the match.

Yes, there were rumours about this ambulance - but they were just that, no-one knows who started them, they made the rounds here in Germany as well but were quickly dispelled.
I can only repeat that, according to German officials (I am from Germany), no explosives have been found, there had been threats of a terrorist attack and it seems they were coming from reliable sources - so I am not implying it was all nonsense, I can't, I don't have that kind of knowledge - so it was decided to cancel the match and search the stadium and the surrounding area thoroughly. But they didn't find anything and things are now back to normal in Hanover. 
Which is a good thing, of course.