Charlottesville:

[Simon73]

Nazis bastards scums have to be hanged like Mussolini in Milan..........they have to be hanged all these scum of the humanity.

[szmurf]

I don't think hanging anyone is the answer, something needs to be done.  We are a nation that promotes freedom of expression and the right to demonstrate; so not sure where/when to draw the line.

We have to deal with this every year:

https://patch.com/tennessee/nashville/white-supremacist-conference-returns-tennessee-state-park

[ldopas]

Nazis bastards scums have to be hanged like Mussolini in Milan..........they have to be hanged all these scum of the humanity.

Hanging them? That in itself sounds pretty extreme.

They are indeed right wing scum, but they have every right in a free democracy to be heard and march. In fact we need them to do that so that the rest of us can see who they are, what they want so we can combat it. I do not want to live in a democracy where we hang right wing nutjobs or Islamic hate preachers because we find them vile, I refuse to lower myself to their levels and so should you!

[MARKXE]

Nazis bastards scums have to be hanged like Mussolini in Milan..........they have to be hanged all these scum of the humanity.

Hanging them? That in itself sounds pretty extreme.

They are indeed right wing scum, but they have every right in a free democracy to be heard and march. In fact we need them to do that so that the rest of us can see who they are, what they want so we can combat it. I do not want to live in a democracy where we hang right wing nutjobs or Islamic hate preachers because we find them vile, I refuse to lower myself to their levels and so should you!

  Spot on.

[Pol]

Sadly this was bound to happen with America's right wing agenda under Trump, and yes the same tensions are bubbling away under the surface in the UK especially post Brexit though it's mostly anti Muslim over here these days

[jackroadkill]

I refuse to lower myself to their levels and so should you!

Exactly; we can't claim the moral high ground and then advocate the extermination of those who don't agree with us, utter wankers though they may be.

[Bunny]

Nazis bastards scums have to be hanged like Mussolini in Milan..........they have to be hanged all these scum of the humanity.

Hanging them? That in itself sounds pretty extreme.

They are indeed right wing scum, but they have every right in a free democracy to be heard and march. In fact we need them to do that so that the rest of us can see who they are, what they want so we can combat it. I do not want to live in a democracy where we hang right wing nutjobs or Islamic hate preachers because we find them vile, I refuse to lower myself to their levels and so should you!

Good grief! I agree with every word *doffs cap. Far left, far right. Equally as hateful as each other.

[ldopas]

Nazis bastards scums have to be hanged like Mussolini in Milan..........they have to be hanged all these scum of the humanity.

Hanging them? That in itself sounds pretty extreme.

They are indeed right wing scum, but they have every right in a free democracy to be heard and march. In fact we need them to do that so that the rest of us can see who they are, what they want so we can combat it. I do not want to live in a democracy where we hang right wing nutjobs or Islamic hate preachers because we find them vile, I refuse to lower myself to their levels and so should you!

Good grief! I agree with every word *doffs cap. Far left, far right. Equally as hateful as each other.

You sound surprised! 

Just because I am slightly right of centre, certainly compared the vast majority here, doesn't mean I can't spot extremist scum from either the right or the left who seem to be put here minus brains and abilities to f**k it up for the rest of us, but especially for vulnerable people who they tend to pick on because the extremists are morons and have no morality.

[Ron B]

 As much as Freedom of speech is a cherished right in this country. And they have a legal right to express them that stops when you use a car as a weapon and kill someone and injure 19 people
.Plus the town does not have to grant anyone a permit to march  or have a rally.

Now because most of the members of this Board live in Europe I don't think I have to tell you the horrors of Nazism and what a blight it is to every one everywhere.  My father fought in WW2 Although he was in the Pacific theater.  He does remember what he was fighting about and for and I imagine that our European members who have or had relatives that fought in the European theater know what a Posion Nazism is and if allowed to spread it is like Cancer. You need to wipe it Out totally. Now if this is extreme so be it.  This is basically a question of survival.

[Bunny]

 As much as Freedom of speech is a cherished right in this country. And they have a legal right to express them that stops when you use a car as a weapon and kill someone and injure 19 people
.Plus the town does not have to grant anyone a permit to march  or have a rally.

Now because most of the members of this Board live in Europe I don't think I have to tell you the horrors of Nazism and what a blight it is to every one everywhere.  My father fought in WW2 Although he was in the Pacific theater.  He does remember what he was fighting about and for and I imagine that our European members who have or had relatives that fought in the European theater know what a Posion Nazism is and if allowed to spread it is like Cancer. You need to wipe it Out totally. Now if this is extreme so be it.  This is basically a question of survival.

I agree in principle. I have no time for preachers of hate from whatever persuasion. BUT in an ideal world you ban marches. That wont stop extremists, it drives it underground and away from the world. Which is potentially more dangerous. Nazi ideals have been bouncing around since the 1930's in every country in the world. It wont ever go away. Its a very fine line, between freedom of speech turning to hateful and illegal speech.

The problems start when the two sides clash. Surely if marches etc are permitted, it makes more sense for counter protests to be held well away from it. Thats a tactic used in the Uk to reasonable success.

I firmly beleive that most people are fair minded. If someone is of a mindset to hate someone else, you cant ban that.

[Stephanie]

They are indeed right wing scum, but they have every right in a free democracy to be heard and march. In fact we need them to do that so that the rest of us can see who they are, what they want so we can combat it.

Very good point.

I keep saying that people's freedom of speech (or right to march, etc.) ends where they follow any kind of ideology that actually wants to restrict that freedom for certain parts of the population - their way of thinking should automatically lead to them losing this right - but of course it is also important to actually be aware of them, of who they are.

A friend posted something on Facebook today that I found very interesting - hadn't heard of it before: The paradox of tolerance.

From Wikipedia:

The paradox of tolerance, first described by Karl Popper in 1945, is a decision theory paradox. The paradox states that if a society is tolerant without limit, their ability to be tolerant will eventually be seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Popper came to the seemingly paradoxical conclusion that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.

Obviously, being intolerant of intolerance doesn't necessarily mean you can't let people publicly express their thoughts, whatever those thoughts/ideals may be.

[Master Ray]

I say let these dickheads march and show themselves as the asswombles that they are... right-minded folks will laugh at them and recognise them for the fools that are and people who agree are too f-ing stupid to be saved anyway... 

[ldopas]

I say let these dickheads march and show themselves as the asswombles that they are... right-minded folks will laugh at them and recognise them for the fools that are and people who agree are too f-ing stupid to be saved anyway... 

Exactly!

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”   Sun Tzu

[Amandistan]

No, it is not freedom of speech. it is hate speech. Calling yourself a nazi or white supremacists is not just expressing themselves.

We draw the line with banning all demonstration that use a banner with a swatstika. Some American's father's of grandfather's have died fighting nazis.  We ban websites that use the phrase "Nazi" to describe their ethics. We classify the  KKK as a terrorist group and actually take action. We must not tolerate hatred from neo-nazis , KKK members,White nationalist etc.  The coward of a president needs to call them out specifically. Even the Bush idiots did this. Get rid of these damn confederate statues. This belongs in a museum not portrayed as heroes in a public square.
We need to not demonize anti-fa and BLM either as some have done. Since the KKK is still legal, we need it more now than ever.

 

Since Donald Trump is elected, people think it is an excuse to be a racist. He is praised by KKK members and people were shouting "make America great again" at the demo.   He is triggering this and he needs to be removed right now for the safety of the world.This sort of  hatred has been around for decades. It is just coming up more with Trump. The fact that
 he appointed alt-right  racist Bannon was appointed to a position of power speaks volumes.

Enough of using freedom of speech as an excuse to protect hatred. 


It seems the girl who died was quite a wonderful and intelligent person. Quite a loss. One man injured blocked his girlfriend from being hit by the car. They should get more media attention than the far-right terrorist groups.

 

[Stephanie]

It seems the girl who died was quite a wonderful and intelligent person. Quite a loss. One man injured blocked his girlfriend from being hit by the car. They should get more media attention than the far-right terrorist groups.

 

I am with you on that!!!

It does seem like it's very often the "criminals" (using that term loosely here) that get all the attention rather than the victims - or people who did something that was good and/or brave. Obviously, these people might not be overly into getting all that much attention - it can quickly turn into something very negative.

But yes, I wish we would put less focus on the hatred and violence. Not ignore it, of course - but sometimes it can seem that these thing are almost celebrated while we are condemning them...if that makes any sense.