Who Build the Moon?

[cthulhu]

So it was 50 years ago on the July 20th, that man landed on the moon. How fascinating is that?
And what a good time to read this fantastic book „Who Build the Moon“ by Christopher Knight and Alan Butler.
 
The headline was catchy enough to raise my interest but it was the promise that the implications of such a title were based on scientific facts.

Quote from the backside:

Extraordinary claims indeed. But keep an open mind and read the compelling arguments based on scientific evidence and irrefutable logic – arguments that will completely change the way we think of our world

Big promises there 

But i found it a highly interesting read, very inspiring and i want to sample some quotes from the book and hopefully maybe raise some interest in you also and let this thread become a thread about the mysteries of the Moon, the Universe and Life itself...

There were many times while i read the book, that i had to think about a new model army song. You will see….

"The wolf he howls, howls up at the moon…"

„..research carried out by a medical team at a hospital in Bradford, England, set out to test the hypothesis that the incidence of animal bites encreases at the time of a full moon. Using restrospective observational analysis at their accident and emergency department they investigated the pattern of patients who attendet from 1997 to 1999 after being bitten by an animal.
The number oft he bites in each day was compared with the lunar phase in each month and they found that the incidence of animal bites rose significantly at the time oft a full moon."(P75)

I wrote that the scientific approach, the promise that their assumption was based purely on existing and acknowledged data was what made me look into it. But talking about science it is important to bring again to mind, that in the scientific area they deal a lot with hypotheses and then try to find the scientific evidence for it.

So there are some fields out there which we take for granted, but that are only hypotheses with no evidence so far to prove it. That means there always could be another hypothesis, which also has to be proven yet.
The authors of this book do not have any new science to promote but they rely on science and give it a new angle to look at.
And regarding the facts, i find this view, the idea behind it, totally plausible.

The Mysterys of the Stone Age Builders

„..Thom [ a Scottish engineer in th early 1930s noticed that several Megalithic sites near his home had lunar allignments] had quickly realized, that these prehistoric builders were engineers like himself and they had a surprisingly sophisticated knowledge of geometry and astronomy“ (P24)
„Thom developed a new statistical technique to establish the relative positions of the stones and, over time, something spectacularly unusual emerged from the amassed data. These prehistoric builders had not been lugging huge stones willy-nilly; they had manufactured these structures working with a standard unit of measurement across a huge area of thousands of square miles of what whas then dense forest and barren moorland.

It was amazing that these supposedly primitive people could have had an „international“ convention for a unique lenght, but the mystery deepens because Thom was eventually able to describe the supreme accuracy of a unit he called the „Megalithic Yard“.
This was no approximate measure taken from paces or body parts, it was eual to 2.722 feet +/- 0,002 feet (82,96656cm +/- 0,061cm)  Thom was also able to demonstrate that the unit was frequently used in its double and half form as well as being broken into 40 sub-units for use in design work that he designated as „Megalithic Inches“

But of course:

„Most archaeologists refusted the finding on the basis that the idea that a unit of measurement that was more accurate than a modern measuring tape was absurd“(P25)

Here we have an example of a thesis just being ignored because it is against the imagination. And that is a crucial part of approaching science, in my opinion.

„As we describe in Civilistion One [previous book by the authors] , the Meglithic Yard is a geodetic unit, in that it is integral (has a whole number in relationship) to th epolar circumference of the Earth. We found that these early Megalithic builders viewed a circle as having 366-degrees rather than the 360 degrees that we use today. We realized that there really should be 366 degrees in a circle for the very good reason that there are 366 rotations of the Earth in one orbit of the sun – the most fundamental of all circles in human existence.“
One solar orbit is, of course, a year but there is a very slight differnece between the number of rotations of the planet and the 365 days in a year. This is because the mean solar day is based  on the time the sun being at its zenith on two consecutive days (84,600 seconds) but an actual rotation or „sideral day“ takes 236 seconds less. All of those „saved“ seconds add up to exactly one more day over the year“.(P26)

Fascinating!;-)

„First we applied the principles of Megalithic geometry to all of the planets of the solar system. No discernable pattern emerged – they appeared to bve completely random results.[..]
Then we looked at Earth‘s Moon.
The result here was anything but meaningless. We took the Moon‘s radius, definded by NASA as being 1,738,100 km, to calculate a circumference of a meaningless sounding 10,920,800 m. We then nconverted this distance into Megalithic Yards, which gvae us the equally apparently arbitrary value of 13,162,900.
We then applied the rules of Megalithic geometry by dividing this circumference into 366 degrees, sixty minutes and six seconds of arc.
To our total amazement there were 100 Megalithic Yards per lunar Megalithic second of arc. The accuracy of the result was 99.9 per cent which is well within the range of error in this kind of calculation.

How strange that the Megalithic Yard is so elegantly „lunardetic“  as well as geodetic!
[…]
This all seemed very odd. The megalithic structures that were build across western Europe were frequently used to observe the movements of the Sun and the Moon, but how could a unit of measure upon which these structures were based be so beautifully integer to the circumference of these bodies [also the Sun] as well of the Earth?
Is it coincidence? On top of all the other strange facts regarding the Moon it becomes rather unrealistic to keep putting everything down to a random fluke of nature.
[…]
If it is not coincidence then there are only two other options. The first is that there is some unknown law of astrophysics at work, causing relationships to emerge that were spotted in some way by our Stone-Age forebears.
The other is conscious design. (P42)

Yes, that‘s the question the authors follow. And it could seem too far out to ask such a question, „lunatic“ almost, but this book is not like they want to install their theory into you, but they raise questions from another angle and offer so much facts about the Moon, that this question just becomes interesting.

We are only made of water, the full moon gets us high…

„Humans are incredibly robust creatures considering we are little more than animated bags of water hanging on a mineral frame.“(P91)

The Humans and the Moon have such a strong connection. Findings from 25.000 years ago show that the people were observating the moon and its rhythms.

„The historical connection between human fertility and the Moon even extends to the word „menstrual“. It derives from the latin „mensis“, meaning month, whilst the word month is very ancient and refers to the period of four weeks as being one „moonth“. [P13]


I found this book a treasure of observations, relations, history, information and interesting thoughts. 
Like this one:

You and I, Sun and Moon, different paths, always together...

„The switch from a powerful female deity, often equated with the Moon, and solar-based masculine deities seems to have taken place at about the same time humanity began to discover writing. This occured in Sumer (modern Iraq and Kuweit) and Egypt just after structures like Newgrange and Knowth had been constructed.[…]
Here Shlain outlines his view that the evolution of writing specifically involved the use of the practical left hemisphere of the brain, as a direct contrast to the many thousands of years during which the more intuitive, inspirational right hemisphere had predominated. He maintains that this explains the virtual abandonment of a generally peaceful feminine-centred society across much of Europe, the middle East ans Asia. This transition was staggered but it began around 3,000 BC, when a more aggressive, patriarchal society structure emerged with masculine deities predominating. [P16]

So, i don‘t want to go deeper into it, there would be so much more to say and quote and this book has many thought raising information, a much wider variety of observations regarding evolution and here i didn't even scratch the surface, but if you have ever witnessed a total darkening of the sun and were also touched in the innerst by it and it left you with that kind of wonder that you think: „this is more than fluke and randomness“ this is a very good read.

"The Moon has a sideral rotation period of 655,725 hours, which means it rotates once every 27,322 Earth days. Given the Moon has an equatorial circumference of 10,920,8 km, this means that the Moon is turning at 400km per Earth day!

Just consider these unquestionable facts as a whole:

The Moon is one 400th the size of the Sun.

The Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun.

The Moon is rotating at a rate of 400km per Earth day.

I recommend this book to the open mind who is interested in astronomy and science and is ready to look at observations without prejoudice and also dares to want to find a meaning. Because otherwise you could say that all is just coincidence. But as they wrote:

"None of this is magic or pointless numerology. It may well be nothing more than a coincidence but, given all of the ratio patterning we have observed, it would be foolish to ignore it."(P148)


„Time is perceives as flowing like a river from the past into the future and we are all riding the wave in one direction. But if it were possible to head back upstream?“

"Well we know what makes the flowers grow - but we don't know why
And we all have the knowledge of DNA - but we still die
We perch so thin and fragile here upon the land
And the earth that moves beneath us, we don't understand"

Change Earth to Moon and beneath to above..



So i hope i didn't bore you and you are not shaking your head ...
What do you think about that subject?
Does the book sound interesting to you?
What are your thoughts about civilisation and astronomy?

[cthulhu]

Well, the reviews say it much better:

After reading this book I am utterly 100% convinced that our Moon is an artificial construct. The evidence is right there, has been right in front of our faces all along, and has been waiting for us to make the seemingly obvious connections pointing to the irrefutable proof that the Moon was engineered by intelligent design and not simply by random chance or accident. There are far too many "coincidences" that cannot be dismissed by current academic and scientific theories for the creation of our moon such as:

- The size of the moon from the Earth is the same relative size as the sun for a total solar eclipse to occur.

- The moon's diameter is exactly 400 times smaller than the sun. The moon is also 1/400th the distance between the Earth and the sun.

- The sidereal period of the moon is 27.321 days. The circumference of the moon is 27.322% the circumference of the Earth.

- The Sun is exactly 109.288 times the size of the Earth (4 x 27.322). The circumference of the Moon is 10928.8 kms (400 x 27.322)

- The Earth is 3.66 times larger than the moon. The Earth takes 366 days to complete one solar orbit.

- The rotation of the moon turns at precisely the velocity that it does relative to the Earth so that one side is always facing us.

- The moon is likely hollow or without a core and that when the Apollo landers crashed into it that it unexpectedly rang like a bell for several hours.

- The lunar surface contains the same isotopic signatures as the composition of rocks from the Earth but contains no heavy metals such as iron.

- The mass of the moon would neatly fit into the recesses between the Earth's continents suggesting that it was "carved" out of the Earth itself and that the generally accepted "Big Whack" theory that the moon was the byproduct of a violent collision with another planetoid the size of Mars is wrong and cannot be reconciled by a game of planetary billiards.

The odds of all of these observable facts and computations about our moon being the result of some naturally occurring phenomena are astronomically improbable as to be impossible. With regards to the Anthropic Principal it can be inferred by Albert Einstein who eloquently said that "God does not play dice with the universe" leading to the inescapable conclusion that the moon was strategically "placed" into orbit around our planet at the exact distance and inclination to the ecliptic plane that it is at in order to stabilize the tides and the seasons so that life as we know it could exist and evolve. Creationists will argue that it is further proof that it could only have been the product of divine creation as if placed precisely where it is by the hand of God, but to that I contend, "Built by God or built by an advanced extraterrestrial intelligence?"

Or was it time travelers from the distant future that terraformed our own existence 4.6 billion years ago, as the authors postulate?

You decide.

And another one:

The best book I’ve ever read on the subject of extra-terrestrial “tinkering” in earthly affairs! What I most appreciate is the long succession of mathematical facts about the moon and its relationship to our Earth and the sun. In their entirety, these minutely balanced ratios simply cannot be the result of chance—the possibility of such a series of accidents would be truly astronomical. There’s no, “Could it be that...” or, “We have to wonder if...” in the tendentious style of ANCIENT ALIENS. The occasional ironic indulgence of a religious perspective struck me as a bit condescending, for there ARE believers who do not consider Genesis a science textbook and feel comfortable yielding unto Caesar what is Caesar’s; but I can also understand the temptation to be a tad snarky in that direction, since the other kind of believer can be pretty overpowering. The main carry-away here is just that our remarkable satellite’s dimensions, her location, her rhythms and motions (the authors steer clear of mentioning the controversial “hollow gong” supposedly registered when NASA deliberately crashed an orbiter into the lunar surface)... all of this ineluctably points to a phenomenon that cannot be perfectly natural and accidental. Most other “ET” books do a disservice to this thesis by advancing evidence that invites ridicule. This one faces us with facts that can’t be explained away.

[Anna Woman von NRW]

Dude you really do come up with some cool topics  I like the way your brain works 

There is an awful lot there in your posts and rather than get into specifics I shall restrict myself to some generalizations. Whilst I have no in depth knowledge about the cosmos, it's formation and history other than the absolute basics (somehow I just can't understand space stuff no matter how hard I try    ) I have no trouble believing that we don't have everything figured out perfectly and that some of our accepted truths may not, in fact, be quite correct.  I would certainly accept the premise that lunar activity affects more than tides here on Earth including fauna and flora - within my profession Biodynamic methods include elements carried out in accordance with lunar cycles - and that we don't actually understand everything yet!

Now as to the idea that the moon is actually a constructed object, that seems like a bit too much of  a jump. However having said that some of the ideas and theories you have presented sound intriguing and worth investigating and pondering upon.Specifically the mathematical elements on first reading seem a bit too coincidental although I would counter that numbers can be manipulated to represent many things and not necessarily the truth - see the way "statistics" are used by modern politicians  .

I think that the reason I am open to at least considering these sorts of ideas stems from my own personal interest in Prehistory and what actually has occurred her on Earth in the last 300,000 years or so. I am not at all convinced that our timeline is anywhere near right and sites such as Gobekli Tepe provide proof that all is not as it seems. When you consider that we don't have a clue what was going on 13,000 years ago it seems a bit rich to assume that the preceding 287,000 years are fully explained and accounted for. So I have no problem in accepting the hypothesis that we don't understand the universe either!

Nice thread this one Cthulu cheers  Oh and any recomendations for an "Idiots guide" video ?

[cthulhu]

I hoped someone would pick that up and thanks for the wonderful, insightful answer. You made some very good points there and i want to go to the mathematical elements.

Those mathematical elements, and i pointed out that i like the sientific approach of the idea and math is science, so those mathematical elements i must say are bautiful. And that's the point. And that's not scientific! So i fell more for the beauty than the science;-)
(thinking out loud here).
They are not numbers but ratios, like the golden ratio, and it would be possible for everyone of us to measure it themselves. There's this example of a pendulum and a wooden box and how you can measure a Megalithic Yard by watching Venus trough that box and divide the line into 366 parts.
I'm thinking that those guys in the past were more intelligent than us, just because of the distraction and technology we sourround us blinds our observations.
So i think its just a plain human thing to do to look up in the sky and wonder..And ask questions. And observe and find patterns, rhythms, analogies.

And then we have this Stanley Kubrick-2001-match cut-time lapse-moment, when we can actually measure the Moon and find correlations to ancient measurements.

And then, when i think about the stuff that i'm thinking about right now, it may be the same kind of wonder that those ancient people were thinking about. Well, kind of.

And i often think, why did we loose connection to the past?

And i think i've watched too much sci-fi. This is exactly like 2001.
 

[Master Ray]

Look, it's obvious that the thing we call 'the moon' is a fake because, in 1999, magnetic energy built up to cause an explosive chain-reaction of the waste, blasting the Moon (with its station Moonbase Alpha) out of Earth's orbit and out of the Solar System.

It's still out there, staffed entirely by grumpy middle-aged people in lycra and some chick with weird eyebrows who can turn into animals or some such bollocks.

I thought everybody understood this?

[cthulhu]

Well, i didn't get the memo!
But it sounded familiar and after some digging i can now officially tell you Master Ray, that you fell asleep while watching Space:1999, while we went further on and now you are like "The quiet Earth" while sourrounded by hyperrealistic hologramms and your only connection to us is via this internet thing.   

Yesterday i saw a short documentary about "Göbekli Tepe", i didn't know about it and thanks for that Anna!
These are fascinating findings, and Anna you said that you are interested in prehistoric findings, and when you look at some of those discoverys, things you can see with your own eyes but immediately cannot explain, and i think that these things and thoughts and mysteries from watching prehistoric findings will lead directly to an idea of a higher educated civilisation or even extra terrestial visitors.

I mean that is just the way you think about it, when you see some carvings and images from the past and why not stay with these ideas to look further into it.

What i liked about the book was that it doesn't wants or needs to operate with images of aliens, spacecrafts and ufos to explain things, but it just gives a lot of beautiful correlations (and a correlations ist not a causation, and they say that) and it puts theorie to where theories belong, to theories;-)

So where does the moon come from?
I think most here have a vague info in their mind, that we know that the moon came from earth, like a hit of an asteoride and that the moon build itself around earth from debris.
Well the thing is this. In 1986 a senior scientist at the Planetary Science Institute in Tuscon, Arizona, wrote in his Book "Origin of the Moon":

"Neither the Apollo astronauts, the Luna vehicles, nor all the king's horses and all the king's men could assemble enough data to explain the circumstances of the moon's birth"

Out of this miasma came a new theory and, in fact, the only one that presently widely accepted despite some fundamental problems.. It is known as the "Big Whack Theory".(P52)


So this is just a theory with some big flaws. And the scientific community is talking about it, but this is what was presented as "THE" theory.

So what i see is that we've just discovered another archealogical site, but in space;-) We can see it, but we cannot explain it.

So to me this topic is not about proving that the moon is artificial and that aliens build it, but to look differently, from another angle to the collected scientific data.
It is like reading about the golden ratio and then researching images and art throughout the centurys and be amazed how this thing works.

I'm just amazed about the beauty of all the connections of ratios.

[cthulhu]

Just watched some documentarys about megalithic findings, ancient mysteries, etc. Really fascinating stuff! And there's so much out there on youtube, in very different qualitys and i mean the production of the show. It's mostly fast editet, even faster spoken infos over images and often very claptrappy. But i do like lectures. Somebody who has prepared a topic and is explaining it.

And i found this one to be interesting and informative and well presented, runs about 1 hour, has nothing to do with the thesis of the book, but has some very interesting ideas and thoughts about prehistoric sites:

The Secret Pattern That Connects ALL the Great Ancient Megalithic Sites of Antiquity

And i did find a good video about some aspects of the book, could be the "idiots guide" video;-) (come on anna, on these topics everyone is an idiot and nobody knows nothing;-)

Inside Our STRANGE Artificial Moon
 

[Ghosttrain]

I thought everyone knew the Moon was made of cheese......... ......

[Shush]

Yes. Also it is able to change shape to a kind of a crescent 

[ldopas]

So if our moon is a fake then are Phobos, Deimos, Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan and all the others fakes? And if so what was the purpose of constructing them? People say the moon is an alien construct so aliens can watch us. so what exactly, if all the others are fakes, are they watching on gas giant planets and desolate rocky planets.

So in the end you ask yourself with reason, which is more likely; the evidence we already have in science about planetary spheres or ET who we have no proof of built it? Me I'm going with science I like facts.

I've seen many things on this board in 16 years here, but supporting David Icke's "theories" is a new one on me.

Bloody good topic though! 

[Master Ray]

So if our moon is a fake then are Phobos, Deimos, Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan and all the others fakes? And if so what was the purpose of constructing them? People say the moon is an alien construct so aliens can watch us. so what exactly, if all the others are fakes, are they watching on gas giant planets and desolate rocky planets.

So in the end you ask yourself with reason, which is more likely; the evidence we already have in science about planetary spheres or ET who we have no proof of built it? Me I'm going with science I like facts.

I've seen many things on this board in 16 years here, but supporting David Icke's "theories" is a new one on me.

Bloody good topic though! 

Dunno.  But I think that Ethys, Dione, Rhea and Titan were on 'Love Island' the other night.

 

[cthulhu]

@Idopas
Oh dear my dear;-)
i know the name david icke and I have never read anything by him, because he supposedly is talking about lizard-people in the government.
I know that this topic must seem a bit like ist about aliens and ufos, i think it is not and i will explain, but i never ever have or will promote david icke theorys, please just don’t say that.
If this person has something about a theory of an artificial moon, then he can have that also. I don’t care.

If you look at it this way, it becomes plain simple, the question itself could be:

What if God build the Moon?

Know what i mean?

To me this is not about aliens, i don’t have a theory in mind that feeds those images from sci-fi movies and plays into all the storys about roswell, etc.
This is just like a modern update of religios-thinking, especially wondering. 
To observe the „creation“ and expand this observation to our solar system.

This is not about answers but questions.

And to be able to question, one must get rid of false answers.

This never was about a „fake moon“ like fake-news, but mainly about special ratios, which are mathematically not questionable, they are facts, connecting the Moon tot he Earth, to  the Humans, who were observing these mathematically facts thousands and thousands of years ago.

So in the end you ask yourself with reason, which is more likely; the evidence we already have in science about planetary spheres or ET who we have no proof of built it? Me I'm going with science I like facts.

I think you’ve just took a brief short look at the posts, because i explicitly tried to explain, that one thing hast o be strongly considered regarding facts and science, that some of those facts you are referring to, are just hypotheses which still have to be proven.

In fact, we have no working theory about the origins of the moon and the more science discovers the more anomalies they discover.
The video i posted (inside our strange artificial moon) has some good points explaining it.

So please say, which theory you are referring to about the origins oft he moon?
I believe it will be the big whack theory, that an object about the size of mars hit earth and the debris formed the moon.
Thats what i thought till reading the book. But this theory came across some problems, like the rotation of earth must have been changed by such an contact and so the theory later had to adjusted and then also stated, that to be even possible, another big whack must have happened just thousand years later, on the opposite site giving right the just impact to counter spin the earth.
Well, to me theres nothing scientic about that, or this is how science works. Theorys.

And because these theorys are somewhat not satisfying, the collected data (and there is so much more to consider here and all the snippets i posted just show a tiny little bit of it) had the scientist to follow another hypothesis, because the data is pointing to it.
But there is a paradigm in science, (science anyway is just another belief-system to me) that won’t allow these kind of approach. The debate becomes ridiculous for me, when scientist just say: „no, it can’t be“ as an explanation. This is not an explanation.

So to me, what the book did is that i now see the Moon as a new Stonehenge.
It has become more meaningful and worth further investigate into it.

I always liked the Timothy Leary quote:

„ If there isn’t a god, then let us invent some, so that we have somebody interesting to talk to.“

I don’t believe that humans ever will find out about the beginning oft he universe, the meaning of life, if there is a good. And even if the Moon will be proven to be artificial, we will never know who build it.

But i also believe that our modern way of thinking, our scientific-dogmatic-approach of seeing the world as a mechanism by chance without a reason of existing so terribly wrong and also sick, and i believe that civilizations which have build so fantastic monuments in the past, had something to say.

I knew this topic would raise some eyebrows, but to those who have some interest in prehistoric history and dare to think outside the paradigm of science, the book is a good read and tries not to convince you but delivers a plenty of facts that someone can think about.
I consider myself an open mind and i liked the presentation of the book. But i’m not saying that everything they present there, is also my opinion.

I do think that it is ignorance and hybris that brought us here to this terrible, bloody, sick and conceited society and that a little bit of awstruck demut (humility), observing unbelievable coincidences that give a hint of a implemented meaning ready to discover, has a healthy effect.

We should question our past, burn all those holy books in a wild garden and invent a new god which is really loving and understanding and brings katholics, evangelists, creationists, islamist, hinduist, buddhist, scientiss and all other ideas trying to find some meaning in life and about the universe together.
United on one earth, under the sun and the moon...

I thought everyone knew the Moon was made of cheese...

You’re right Ghosttrain. I once saw a documentary about that, i think it was called something like „gallace and womit“ and they showed there an expedition, because of an emergency in the cheese business, and they flew to the moon to get some.
;-)

[ldopas]

@Idopas
Oh dear my dear;-)
i know the name david icke and I have never read anything by him, because he supposedly is talking about lizard-people in the government.
I know that this topic must seem a bit like ist about aliens and ufos, i think it is not and i will explain, but i never ever have or will promote david icke theorys, please just don’t say that.
If this person has something about a theory of an artificial moon, then he can have that also. I don’t care.

If you look at it this way, it becomes plain simple, the question itself could be:

What if God build the Moon?

Know what i mean?

To me this is not about aliens, i don’t have a theory in mind that feeds those images from sci-fi movies and plays into all the storys about roswell, etc.
This is just like a modern update of religios-thinking, especially wondering. 
To observe the „creation“ and expand this observation to our solar system.

This is not about answers but questions.

A long reply to my post! 

Yes and reading your posts and communicating with you on things we agree on and many we do not I do realise you are a highly intelligent individual!

So I didn't think you wrote that original treatise because you are a disciple of David Icke. But it was close to what he talks about to droves of drones who sit and listen to his lizards shape shifting rhetoric. Oh and pay shitloads of money to him for it....but of course that isn't why he does it! Ahem. 

I see what you say about questioning things after all it was Timothy Leary who said "think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness,".

But me, I'm an answers guy. We cannot have all the answers clearly, but we can from some conclusions based on the evidence available and the balance of probabilities.

So you prothletise; "What if God build the Moon?". but first you will have to prove the existence of a "God". I've still not seen any scientific facts that can be repeated in experiment for a supreme being other than "we cannot explain how something like the complex eye came into being therefore it must be a god"! Erm no. And erm yes we can explain how the eye evolved.

Let me ask you this. With the sheer number of planets we believe are out there (many we have already proven), and having Drakes equation the probabilities are high there is life on other planets and we have a testbase called the Earth for it! So is it more likely IF the moon is a construct it was a "God" or Aliens?

[Ron B]

I have read about the probes thst were sent to the moon and when they crashed into it it vibrated like a bell. Many years ago.I also have heard that Former NASA employees who were in charge of of monitoring Luna photos were told to Airbrush out some anomalies that showed structures that could not be made by humans.  The Name David Ickes I have heard of. His theories have some interesting ideas.  But if you are not convinced by him then you should read the ideas of Nick Pope who used to be in the ministry of Defense . Their is a show on the History Channel Ancient Aliens here in America don't know if you get that in England or Europe but it as a base takes the theories of Erick Von Danakein of Chariots of the Gods and travels to Ancient sites around the world where he wonders how some primitive people could have built some of the megalithic structures thousands of years ago without the technological advances we have today. Now my personal opinion is we are not alone and have never been alone in the galaxy and don't even contemplate the universe.  And some Ancient structures like Gobeck le Tepi seem to astonish Archaeologists  as to its age or Puma Punku with its intricate cravings. It raises some interesting points. 

[cthulhu]

So you prothletise; "What if God build the Moon?". but first you will have to prove the existence of a "God". I've still not seen any scientific facts that can be repeated in experiment for a supreme being other than "we cannot explain how something like the complex eye came into being therefore it must be a god"! Erm no. And erm yes we can explain how the eye evolved.

That's the thing i wanted to point out with that question. Let me answer it with more quotes:

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also"
Genesis 1:16, The King James Bible

"Good things and terrible things alwas has happened to mortal man. The warmth of spring, the survival of infants, the provision of animals to hunt, plants to harvest and freedom from disease must surely be the work of an unseen force with powers far beyond that of mere people. So too, the ills and woes of failed crops, floods, and death wrought up upon whole tribes by war and desperate want. It must be the will of the gods.

Thank the goods, fear the goods, appease the gods.

Religion is as old as the stories that humans first told. From the early Stone Age to the Internet Age, humankind appears to need the power of deities that inhabit an unseen world and yet have the power to affect the lives we live. The greatest love and the greatest hate spill forth in the name of gods.
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Many Christians fully support science and have no problem with evolution, quantum mechanics or the big bang origin of the Universe. For them it is simply a question of the authorship of the blueprint that obviously exists. The designer of all this is their God. And yet they also believe in an event that others would find incredible. Without wishing to be disrespectful, we would précis that event as follows:
The initial intellect that ceated everything became a man and died, nailed to a wooden post, some two thousand years ago, before briefly returning to human life and then transferring back to His ethereal state somewhere outside of the physical world. This anthropoid interlude for this creature deity (many billions of years after the start of the Universe) is believed to compensate for the bad behaviour of those people who accept this story as real, thereby ensuring a pleasant continuation of consciousness after their physiacal body has ceased to be alive.
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There are many people today who are agnostic, meaning they do not see any proof of God but neither do they belive it impossible that there could be a God. Perhaps a small minority of the world are true atheists believing that all matter, including their own self-awareness, is merely the culmination of multiple accidents occuring at random within the basic laws of physics.

The classical argument for God has been that there must be a "first cause" but this is considered to be invalid by relatively modern philosophers such as David Hume and Immanuel Kant, because the thesis is negated by its own premise. If everything must have a first cause then what made God? It therefore follows that the Universe could arive spontaneously just as much as God could.

But, it occurs to us, what if God and the essence of the Universe were, and are, the same thing?"(P170)

I have read about the probes thst were sent to the moon and when they crashed into it it vibrated like a bell. Many years ago

I read for the first time about it in that book. So this is another example of those data that is available and a part of those unexplained anomalies, which are not so present in the mainstream and the perception of the Moon. At least for me that was totally new .

"At 8:09 pm EST on April 14th, Apollo 13 turned for home and the third stage of the Saturn V launch vehicle, weighting fifteen tonnes, was sent crashing into the Moon. As planned it struck the Moon with a force equivalent to 11,5 tonnes of TNT. The impact point was eighty-five miles west-northwest of the site where Apollo 12 astronauts had set up a seismometer.

NASA reports demonstrate the reaction of scientists on Earth as the Saturn V hit the lunar surface - 'The Moon rang like a bell.'
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The seismic signals produced by the impact from Apollo 13 [..] peak intensity occured after seven minutes and the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes, travelling to a depht of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the Moon has an unusually light core or possibly no core at all.
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Among the puzzling feature, they say[NASA reports], are the rpid build up to the peak and the prolonged reverberations, because nothing comparable happens when objects strike Earth."

I think we can watch (Watch and Learn) a growth of those themes like Ancient Aliens spreading into the mainstream. I've heard of a new TV-Show in USA, i think it's also on the History Channel, that has high ranked Officials dealing with disclosing UFO incidents and Data collected by the government. This seems to be made almost like Episodes of X-Files but it is promoted as a documentary.
And when you consider the range of how many viewers the History Channel has, this will have a broad impact.

When you think about it, the Aliens UFO - Theme is more popular than ever, it is even pushed, consider the Raid of Area 51 on Facebook. I've read today that their account was taken down and they really worry about thousands of people showing up for that. (I think two millions are registered)

I really wonder where this will lead to.