Author Topic: Thoughts,Hopes,Dreams or Predictions when we wake on Friday Morning ?  (Read 2311 times)

ldopas

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Re: Thoughts,Hopes,Dreams or Predictions when we wake on Friday Morning ?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2019, 10:27:36 AM »
Very much the 1980's all over again. Wrong leader and wrong direction, unfortunately. But hey, the see saw of power  always rebalances itself.

Absolutely. And I'm no political guru but I could have predicted that months ago.

In my job, construction, I meet so many what you would consider working class people and to a man and woman the vast majority dislike Corbyn, but ESPECIALLY the nasty nature of the hard left in the party and that manifesto. Shock news; working people are decent, intelligent and can add up.

I'm sorry to say that elements of this thread show the problem. No offence to anyone. But look at the stream of invective thrown at you without facts. The Tories are 100% liars, ie everything is a lie and yet Labour, anti-semitic, online harassing, economically illiterate Labour who were as sleazy in their campaign as the Tories  told 0% of lies apparently. And of course we have the papering over of all that is wrong with Labour. And I'm assuming the anti-semitic tweets are all made up and the pictures of Corbyn with known terrorist organisations are all photo shopped. People are not stupid or blind.

Well the working classes certainly sent a message on that to mostly the middle class metropolitan class warriors, the "oooh Jeremy Corbyn" Glastonbury crowd who paid north of £250 a ticket to be in that crowd. Very working class.

Will it be 5 years of joy. No. It's going to be difficult. I personally think we have a bunch of losers on all sides, I stood in that booth for quite a time before putting my vote in. But unless Labour supporters stop moaning about bloody Brexit as the cause (it wasn't) and look in the mirror we sadly will have no decent opposition for anyone to vote for for a generation. Which is a catastrophe for politics.

Still people who can see a result like this, the biggest majority since 1987, see working class areas vote Tory who have NEVER voted Tory, see the SNP destroy Labour north of the border, see a result worse than Michael Foot and still be in denial of the reasons are kidding themselves.
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Re: Thoughts,Hopes,Dreams or Predictions when we wake on Friday Morning ?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2019, 12:07:44 PM »
Very well put. Its not often I agree with you but thats bang on.....you old Gammon, you  ;D ;D
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Re: Thoughts,Hopes,Dreams or Predictions when we wake on Friday Morning ?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2019, 12:13:43 PM »
Agree with Bunny an excellent post......not so sure about the Gammon bit.. ;D..

ldopas

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Re: Thoughts,Hopes,Dreams or Predictions when we wake on Friday Morning ?
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2019, 03:21:32 PM »
Very well put. Its not often I agree with you but thats bang on.....you old Gammon, you  ;D ;D

Gammon?  :-\

Its not often you agree with me? I'm always right, so I don't know why that it!

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Re: Thoughts,Hopes,Dreams or Predictions when we wake on Friday Morning ?
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2019, 06:39:31 PM »
...so I really won't waste any further time on here....

Is that a promise? In the 14 odd years or so that I've been on this board, you often play this card to illustrate your disgust at those with whom you don't agree, particularly after you go down the all too familiar road you've exhibited here.

Back to what this thread is really about...

For what it's worth I think Labour blew this election..their worst showing since '35. Bojo is hardly anyone's darling or someone who can really be taken at face value; however, Labour didn't take the impact of Brexit seriously enough in their heartlands, and they didn't offer a real credible alternative in the 'Red Walls' of much of northern England. This is history repeating itself: under Blair they did the same in Scotland, where they had a virtual monopoly, and now they can't buy a vote. The SNP has decimated them, because they listened to the core support better. Even the Tories cleaned up in the Borders...yes, the Borders where you wouldn't expect it.

Bunny's story here is a common theme. Many Labour voters didn't trust Corbyn, nor did many in the party itself. I thought this was obvious when McDonnell increasingly became the 'face' of Labour down the stretch. Labour are in a serious mess which won't get solved easily before the next election.

I'm no fan of a Bojo government with the likes of Gove and Javid parading in and out of number 10. The sad thing is that they have a significant majority which they clearly shouldn't have, and they wouldn't have it had Brown or Miliband been running the show.

When places like Burnley, and many others, vote Tory, is it because they really wanted to?
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