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General Category => Everything Else => Topic started by: Whirlwind on October 29, 2019, 06:51:02 PM
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There's a "Why England" thread going, why not a "Why America?" thread?
Your loves and not-loves of America, if you please.
LOVES:
- the vastness. It is HUGE and with that comes an astonishing variety of climate and topography. Searing heat desert to frozen tundra to rainy jungle to lovely beaches to massive mountains to flat endless plains...I could go on, but America has it all.
- the people. Like the topography and the climate, America comes with an astonishing variety of people. New Yorkers sure ain't like Californians. Southern hicks aren't like big city Chicagoans. And of course we have the diversity of the entire world in our population. Italians, Germans, French, Arab, Jew, Japanese, Scotsman, Chinese, Indian, native American Indian, Slavs, Irish, Poles, Scandinavians, hell that was all just in my high school class. I've said this before: In Japan you can construct a statue of a Japanese person; in Ethiopia a statue of an Ethiopian; in China, Korea, Norway, Senegal, Mexico....same thing. But in America you can not build a statue of the quintessential American. Would it be black, white, Asian...? Americans are EVERYBODY. That's why we are the greatest.
- our culture. Let's be real, you have a culture because of America. Your music, your movies, your TV, your books, your very language (I bet you have said "fuhgettaboutit"), your attire, your food (bet you had McDonalds some time this year), your very way of life is all because of America. Sure we have some shit in our culture (Bon Jovi), but 99% of our culture is magnificent and you use it as your culture. You have no culture except for ours. (Hell, the members of New Model Army would be making clogs in a factory if it weren't for Elvis Presley.)
- the sports. Our sports truly are the best and every four years at the Olympics we show the world that Americans are the greatest sportsmen, sportswomen, and sportsLGBTQ on planet Earth. You foreigners should just hold the Olympics without us. That way you might have a chance at winning a medal.
NON-LOVES
- the stupidity. Our lower schools sure ain't putting out the best product. No bullshit, we actually have people here who think the Earth is flat; we actually have people here who voted for Trump; we actually have people here who like Bon Jovi music. To get into a high brow conversation with someone here simply does not happen.
America - what say you about her?
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NON-LOVES:Edit:I typed a long entry here but I deleted it.I dont want to get involved in that really.
LOVES:Big Lebowski (What a film) Social Distortion (What a band)
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holy shit, you drank some pretty damn good kool aid
where did you get it? i want some!
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GWAR - America Must Be Destroyed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5tIpT04Fm4[/url)
so...ok...before commenting on my comment...listen to the lyrics first!
and maybe for the faint of heart: i post this as an expression of art. so i don't mean and wish that anything should be destroyed for real. but i don't believe in frontiers, flags, nations build on by conquering natives already there (celebrate columbus day? "how can you call a takeover a discovery?" public enemy)
but to be clear: it's not the people, it's the concepts. and well yes, the concept of america should be destroyed. but it's destroying itself anyway.
maybe later i find something good about that concept, there are good things, but your post Whirlwind, as always, doesn't lack the amount of chuzpe, which makes it hard to take it seriously.
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columbus day? "how can you call a takeover a discovery?" public enemy)
Uhh, you really want to quote Public Enemy as an authority on things? Public Enemy also said this about Elvis:
Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me
Straight up racist that sucker was
That is plainly false and really libelous. You can say a thousand things about Elvis (druggie, mama's boy, lover of peanut butter and banana sandwiches, paedophile...), but no one (except Public Enemy) ever said Elvis was a racist. Why? Because it simply is not true. Elvis was extremely comfortable and at home with all peoples. Elvis a racist? That's a slanderous lie on behalf of Public Enemy. So if they got Elvis wrong, they sure as sh!t got their facts about Columbus wrong.
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holy shit, you drank some pretty damn good kool aid
where did you get it?
FOX News
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So if they got Elvis wrong, they sure as sh!t got their facts about Columbus wrong.
Ok, so let me correct that, because the thought in that quote i find quite fitting, and, as always, you open up another path to answer and leave the point of that post behind.
So, again, a question:
Do you celebrate columbus day?
If so, have you ever wondered how cou can call a takeover a discovery? (cthulhu)
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Do you celebrate columbus day?
If so, have you ever wondered how cou can call a takeover a discovery? (cthulhu)
Of course we celebrate Columbus Day - it's a day off.
Christoforo Columbo is a grievously maligned historical figure. 90% of the bad that is said about Columbus is (like Elvis being called a racist) untrue. (Let's not get into that, I know it is a discussion that will go nowhere. I will be correct while you will maintain your incorrect thoughts of Columbus.)
How about the fact that Columbus was one of mankind's greatest, bravest, boldest adventurers. That is what should be remembered and honored and celebrated. If one day the moon becomes a place of genocide and war and pestilence, do you blame Neil Armstrong? Do you malign his astounding achievement?
Columbus was a man unlike all others of his time. Not a flat-Earther, he actually had the right stuff to venture out into that unknown and find another world. The destruction and terror that the colonists and native peoples did to that world is absurd to hang on Columbus.
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Before i quote some Wikipedia about that matter, let me ask you one question Whirlfind. Are you a politician? I'm really curious, because you manage so passionately to say much without answering the point of the question and instead leading clever away from it, hide behind the filibuster-technique of blah, blah, blah...but still you're entertaining enough to keep people listening.
About Columbus:
Since the late 20th century, historians have criticized Columbus for initiating colonization and for abuse of natives.
Among reasons for this criticism is the poor treatment of the native Taíno people of Hispaniola, whose population declined rapidly after contact with the Spanish. Columbus required the natives to pay tribute in gold and cotton.[134] Modern estimates for the pre-Columbian population of Hispaniola are around 250,000–300,000.[citation needed] According to the historian Gonzalo Fernandez de Oviedo y Valdes, by 1548, 56 years after Columbus landed, and 42 years after he died, fewer than 500 Taíno were living on the island.[135]
The indigenous population declined rapidly, due primarily to the first pandemic of European endemic diseases, which struck Hispaniola after 1519. The natives had no acquired immunity to these new diseases and suffered high fatalities. There is also documentation that they were overworked.[136][137][138] Historian Andrés Reséndez of University of California, Davis, pushes back against this narrative, and says the available evidence suggests "slavery has emerged as major killer" of the indigenous populations of the Caribbean between 1492 and 1550 more so than diseases such as smallpox, influenza and malaria.[139] He says that indigenous populations did not experience a rebound like European populations did following the Black Death because unlike the latter, the former were subjected to deadly forced labor in gold and silver mines on a massive scale.[140]
Slavery and serfdom
The natives of the island were systematically subjugated via the encomienda system implemented by Columbus.[141] Adapted to the New World from Spain, it resembled the feudal system in Medieval Europe, as it was based on a lord offering "protection" to a class of people who owed labor.[142] In addition, Spanish colonists under his rule began to buy and sell natives as slaves, including children.[143]
When natives on Hispaniola began fighting back against their oppressors in 1495, Columbus's men captured 1,500 Arawak men, women, and children in a single raid. The strongest were transported to Spain to be sold as slaves;[144] 40 percent of the 500 shipped died en route.[53] Historian James W. Loewen asserts that "Columbus not only sent the first slaves across the Atlantic, he probably sent more slaves—about five thousand—than any other individual."[145]
According to Spanish colonist and Dominican friar Bartolomé de las Casas's contemporary A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies, when slaves held in captivity began to die at high rates, Columbus ordered all natives over the age of thirteen to pay a hawk's bell full of gold powder every three months. Natives who brought this amount to the Spanish were given a copper token to hang around their necks. The Spanish cut off the hands of those without tokens, and left them to bleed to death.[53][146] Thousands of natives committed suicide by poison to escape their persecution.[144]
Columbus' s forced labor system was also described by his son, Ferdinand: "In the Cibao, where the gold mines were, every person of fourteen years of age or upward was to pay a large hawk's bell of gold dust; all others were each to pay twenty-five pounds of cotton. Whenever an Indian delivered his tribute, he was to receive a brass or copper token which he must wear about his neck as proof that he had made his payment; any Indian found without such a token was to be punished." [147]
Violence towards Natives and Spanish colonists
During his brief reign, Columbus executed Spanish colonists for minor crimes, and used dismemberment as another form of punishment.[148]
Columbus's soldiers killed and enslaved with impunity at every landing. When Columbus fell ill in 1495, "what little restraint he had maintained over his men disappeared as he went through a lengthy period of recuperation. The troops went wild, stealing, killing, raping, and torturing natives, trying to force them to divulge the whereabouts of the imagined treasure-houses of gold."[149] According to Las Casas, 50,000 natives perished during this period. Upon his recovery, Columbus organized his troops' efforts, forming a squadron of several hundred heavily armed men and more than twenty attack dogs. Dogs were used to hunt down natives who attempted to flee.[144] Columbus's men tore across the land, killing thousands of sick and unarmed natives. Soldiers would use their captives for sword practice, attempting to decapitate them or cut them in half with a single blow.[150]
The Arawaks attempted to fight back against Columbus's men but lacked their armor, guns, swords, and horses. When taken prisoner, they were hanged or burned to death. Desperation led to mass suicides and infanticide among the natives. In just two years under Columbus's governorship, over 125,000 of the 250,000–300,000 natives in Haiti were dead,[53] many died from lethal forced labor in the mines, in which a third of workers died every six months.[151] Within three decades, the surviving Arawak population numbered only in the hundreds.[151] "Virtually every member of the gentle race ... had been wiped out."[144] Disease, warfare and harsh enslavement contributed to the depopulation.[152][153][154]
Within indigenous circles, Columbus is often viewed as a key agent of genocide.[155] Samuel Eliot Morison, a Harvard historian and author of a multivolume biography on Columbus writes, "The cruel policy initiated by Columbus and pursued by his successors resulted in complete genocide."[156] Loewen laments that while "Haiti under the Spanish is one of the primary instances of genocide in all human history", only one major history text he reviewed mentions Columbus's role in it.[157]
By the end of 1494, disease and famine had claimed two-thirds of the Spanish settlers.[137][165] A native Nahuatl account depicted the social breakdown that accompanied the pandemics: "A great many died from this plague, and many others died of hunger. They could not get up to search for food, and everyone else was too sick to care for them, so they starved to death in their beds."[166] When the pandemic finally struck in 1519 it wiped out much of the remaining native population.[167][168] Charles C. Mann wrote "It was as if the suffering these diseases had caused in Eurasia over the past millennia were concentrated into the span of decades."[169]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Criticism_and_defense_in_modern_scholarship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus#Criticism_and_defense_in_modern_scholarship)
So you can enjoy your Columbus Day, celebrate it, but in my opinion Public Enemy have stated some good points about that history.
Why America? At the moment i find one thing very cool about America, and that is that 11 states have legalized cannabis!
That's a forward move, and better just seen without the historic facts, that the war on drugs and the restrictive politics about harmless drugs were implemented at first by America.
United States of Whatever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1zvhJRIM7M[/url)
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That legalisation of canabis is one of the few things I appreciate about america. 8)
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That legalisation of canabis is one of the few things I appreciate about america. 8)
I'm angrily against it.
I believe we gave up on Prohibition too soon. Prohibition - no alcohol - should be the way of the land. Weed? Uhh, if I feel our alcohol should be banned, then weed should be too.
I am also against legalized gambling, which is something many of our states are now allowing.
I'm no ascetic (look that one up, kids). I just feel a government should not foster (and by legislation condone) vices. Weed. alcohol, gambling are vices, not virtues. A government has no right to step in and welcome them into society.
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About Columbus:
Since the late 20th century, …...
Uhh, you do realize that I can copy and paste a lengthy article about the inhuman atrocities that the indigenous people of the Americas did to each other long before Columbus arrived. What they were doing to each other - slaughter, rape, enslavement, beheadings and mutilations, genocide - make Columbus and his men look like The Peace Corps.
If you don't want to read, I suggest you watch the Mel Gibson film APACOLYPTO.
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Every nation has a history of killing.....except maybe San Marino. There is nothing wrong with American, Afghanis, Eskimos/ Inuits or whoever. Every country has its own culture to learn from. Politicians spoil the world, not people.
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Politicians spoil the world, not people.
Yeah, but people are responsible for putting those politicians in office. Margaret Thatcher, Boris Johnson, Donald J. Trump, Hitler....
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That legalisation of canabis is one of the few things I appreciate about america. 8)
I'm angrily against it.
I believe we gave up on Prohibition too soon. Prohibition - no alcohol - should be the way of the land. Weed? Uhh, if I feel our alcohol should be banned, then weed should be too.
I am also against legalized gambling, which is something many of our states are now allowing.
I'm no ascetic (look that one up, kids). I just feel a government should not foster (and by legislation condone) vices. Weed. alcohol, gambling are vices, not virtues. A government has no right to step in and welcome them into society.
History of weed,alcohol and gambling is as old as history of humanity.You cant keep these out of people's reach.People will find a way to get the poison somehow.In this way at least everyone get what they want from trustable resources.These are not vices.These are just things.
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weed, alcohol and gambling ...These are not vices. These are just things.
Weed, alcohol, and gambling are just things, not vices?
thing - noun, an object that one does not wish to give a specific name to.
vice - noun, immoral or wicked behavior.
Want to try a gain?
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weed, alcohol and gambling ...These are not vices. These are just things.
Weed, alcohol, and gambling are just things, not vices?
thing - noun, an object that one does not wish to give a specific name to.
vice - noun, immoral or wicked behavior.
Want to try a gain?
you're wrong on this
they are thing, vice is your interpretation
but whatever, it's arguing against a straw figure
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you're wrong on this
they are thing, vice is your interpretation
So you are going to say smoking weed, drinking alcohol, and gambling is not wicked behavior?
So you will teach your kids to do those things? Hey, it's not wicked, it's just things. Go on kids, do it.
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you're wrong on this
they are thing, vice is your interpretation
So you are going to say smoking weed, drinking alcohol, and gambling is not wicked behavior?
So you will teach your kids to do those things? Hey, it's not wicked, it's just things. Go on kids, do it.
nope, it's not
yeah, they can do those things
they are things
get over yourself
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you're wrong on this
they are thing, vice is your interpretation
So you are going to say smoking weed, drinking alcohol, and gambling is not wicked behavior?
So you will teach your kids to do those things? Hey, it's not wicked, it's just things. Go on kids, do it.
Excuse my poor english,Im not a native speaker.But this wont change the meaning.They are toxic material lets say ha? But I didnt say lets teach the kids to do those things.How did you make such a connection?
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you cannot and mustn't declare a plant, that has been used in civilisation for thousands of years illegal. you wouldn't do that with wheat, so don't demand this for weed.
there are thousands of killings with knives every year, but no one would demand knives to be banned. or?
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But I didnt say lets teach the kids to do those things.How did you make such a connection?
You said alcohol, drugs, and gambling are just "things," not vices which has the dictionary definition "immoral or wicked behavior."
So you don't believe alcohol, drugs, and gambling is immoral or bad behavior. That means you wouldn't mind if your kids do it.
Come on, those things are behavior that decent people do not involve themselves with. Seriously, what good comes from drinking alcohol, gambling away your money, and doing drugs?
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there are thousands of killings with knives every year, but no one would demand knives to be banned. or?
Oh, come on, man. Knives serve purposes other than killing people. Hell, today I used a knife two times - made two sandwiches - and I didn't kill thousands of people with that knife. Knives serve many purposes, while weed has one purpose - to mess up an individual's mind. How exactly is that a good thing?
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some american oxycodon instead? :o
like knives used for your bread i use weed for recreation. that's a tiny little part of the beneficial things weed can do. there is even weed without any effects to the brain.
of course you don"t know that humans have receptors in the brain that only purpose is to have thc and cbd to connect to.
google israel and cancer science with weed.
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I dont have kids and I dont do drugs.But if I had kids what would I teach them is none of your bussines.It is my bussines.You can teach your kids whatever you want and when they grew up they will take some and will not take some.There wasnt even a word about teaching and kids but you managed to get the subject to this point.Drinking alcohol or smoking or gambling are not wicked behaviours.You just do it or dont do it.Thing that matter is how you manage to control your limits or how you act to your body.Im not trying to say that they are good or bad and make a judgement here.But they will be around all the time.You cant stop it.Im smoking at least one package of cigarettes a day and if that is making me wicked I really dont care.
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But if I had kids what would I teach them is none of your bussines.
But it is my business. I assume you live on planet Earth. Therefore your kids may one day interact with me, interact with my kids, interact with other people on this planet. If you raise your kids that doing drugs is no big deal, well that is a problem for me and everybody else in our society. Driving while under the influence, robbing people to get money to buy their drugs...don't you see that how one raises one's kids IS all our business.
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weed for recreation. that's a tiny little part of the beneficial things weed can do. there is even weed without any effects to the brain.
of course you don"t know that humans have receptors in the brain that only purpose is to have thc and cbd to connect to.
google israel and cancer science with weed.
Recreation? Doing drugs for recreation is not what anybody would consider a benefit of drugs. You want to recreate? Play a sport or read a book or buy a musical instrument. Weed as recreation is making my head shake in utter disbelief.
Weed does seem to have one purpose other than screwing up users minds. It does, so I am told, subdue nausea. Chemotherapy patients may use weed for that. That's a good thing. But drugs for the purpose of recreation? Man, ride a bike instead.
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Weed does seem to have one purpose other than screwing up users minds.
I don't understand how comes that you don't use weed but your mind ist still screwed up? Anyway, again you just claim something and put it out of context. I understand that your view is the product of decades of misinformation, of propaganda to get rid of one hell of a useful plant which you cannot patent and which is a natural helper in thousands of applications the strongest ones having to do with th eproduction of paper, with an alternative to oil based products, and the health sector. Since you have such a prejudice about it, it would be useless to try to inform you, but i want to quote some proven benefits of cannabis=hemp.
Cannabis contains CBD which is a chemical that impacts the brain, making it function better without giving it a high along with THC which has pain relieving properties. Both substances can be extracted and enhanced for use through short path distillation. Users can get the following health benefits of cannabis:
Relief of chronic pain
There are hundreds of chemical compounds in cannabis, many of which are cannabinoids. Cannabinoids have been linked to providing relief of chronic pain due to their chemical makeup. Which is why cannabis’ by-product such as medical cannabis is commonly used for chronic pain relief.
Help lose weight
If you look around, you will notice that the avid cannabis user is usually not overweight. That is because cannabis is linked to aiding your body in regulating insulin while managing caloric intake efficiently.
Regulate and prevent diabetes
With its impact on insulin, it only makes sense that cannabis can help regulate and prevent diabetes. Research conducted by the American Alliance for Medical Cannabis (AAMC) has linked cannabis to stabilise blood sugars, lower blood pressure, and improve blood circulation.
Fight cancer
One of the biggest medical benefits of cannabis is its link to fighting cancer. There is a good amount of evidence that shows cannabinoids can help fight cancer or at least certain types of it.
Helps treat depression
Depression is fairly widespread without most people even knowing they have it. The endocannabinoid compounds in cannabis can help in stabilising moods which can ease depression.
Shows promise in autism treatment
Cannabis is known to calm users down and control their mood. It can help children with autism that experience frequent violent mood swings control it.
Regulate seizures
Research conducted on CBD has shown that it can help control seizures. There are ongoing studies to determine the effect cannabis has on individuals with epilepsy.
Mend bones
Cannabidiol has been linked to helping heal broken bones, quickening the process. According to Bone Research Laboratory in Tel Aviv, it also helps strengthen the bone in the process of healing. This makes it tougher for the bone to break in the future.
Helps with ADHD/ADD
Individuals with ADHD and ADD have trouble focusing on tasks at hand. They tend to have problems with cognitive performance and concentration. Cannabis has shown promise in promoting focus and helping individuals with ADHD/ADD. It is also considered a safer alternative to Adderall and Ritalin.
Treatment for glaucoma
Glaucoma leads to additional pressure on the eyeball which is painful for individuals with the disorder. Cannabis can help reduce the pressure applied on the eyeball providing some temporary relief to individuals with glaucoma.
Alleviate anxiety
While Cannabis is commonly known to cause anxiety, there is a way around that. Taken in monitored dosage and in the proper way, cannabis can help alleviate anxiety and calm users down.
Slow development of Alzheimer’s disease
Alzheimer’s disease is one of many that is caused by cognitive degeneration. As we age, cognitive degeneration is almost unavoidable. Cannabis’s endocannabinoid contains anti-inflammatories that fight the brain inflammation that leads to Alzheimer’s disease.
Deal with pain linked to arthritis
Cannabis is now commonly found as creams and balms which are used by individuals that have arthritis. Both THC and CBD help sufferers deal with the pain.
Helps with PTSD symptoms
PTSD doesn’t just affect veterans but any individual that goes through a trauma. As cannabis is legalised the impact it has on helping treat individuals with PTSD is being studied. Cannabis helps control the fight or flight response, preventing it from going into overdrive.
Helps provide relief to individuals with multiple sclerosis
Multiple sclerosis can be painful, and cannabis is known to provide relief for it. Multiple sclerosis leads to painful muscle contractions and cannabis can help reduce that pain.
Reduces side effects linked to hepatitis C and increase the effectiveness of treatment
The treatment for hepatitis C has numerous side effects that include nausea, fatigue, depression, and muscle aches. These can last for months for some hepatitis C sufferers. Cannabis can help reduce the side effects caused by the treatment while making it more effective at the same time.
Treats inflammatory bowel diseases
Individuals with Crohn’s disease or ulcerative colitis can find some relief with the use of cannabis. THC and cannabidiol are known to help enhance immune response while also interact with cells that play a vital role in the functioning of the gut. Cannabis helps block off bacteria and other compounds that cause inflammation in the intestines.
Helps with tremors associated with Parkinson’s disease
For those that have Parkinson’s disease cannabis can help reduce tremors and pain while also helping promote sleep. It has also shown to improve motor skills in patients.
Helps with alcoholism
Another one of the many health benefits of cannabis is that there is no doubt cannabis is much safer than alcohol. While it may not be 100% risk-free, it can be a smarter way to curb alcoholism by substituting it with cannabis.
https://www.healtheuropa.eu/health-benefits-of-cannabis/92499/
You may doubt this, but this is all scientifically proven. The main reasons that cannabis was made illegal, were racist propaganda (reefer madness) and the interests of producers of synthetic fibres (hemp delivers the strongest fibre, was used thousands of years for this) and paper.
This is a real important and interesting topic and please try not to put your pseudo-puritan american prejudices above it.
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Cthulu, thats a cannabis promotion website. Im doubting its impartiality here ;D. Ok from my perspective, Im dead against it. Imho, its marketed as this happy friendly drug that cures all ills. As pain releif, I dont doubt there are some benefits to it.
However from my own experiences, this idea that its helpful to adhd etc is just wrong. Every troubled youth Ive ever met that self medicates, is prone to violent outbursts, every mental health sufferer likewise. I dont think cannabis is the cause, but it isnt a solution either. Not in comparison to proper medication. And despite what you say, anything that alters a normal mental state, is not a good thing. Is it a chance that mental health issues in adolescents has risen and cannabis is so freely available? There are kids stealing money to buy weed amongst other things. It may not be addictive, although im not convinced about that (a habit is a habit after all), but it is needed by some. Im not talking about the odd joint smoker, but regular buyers. Cannabis today is far more potent than the bit of pot 60's users had.
And as Ive said to my children, why on earth would you put something in your body that at some point in its existance may have been kept near someones scrotum ;D
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Spot on Bunny about your comment on weed,as a very big consumer of Cannabis during the 70's the stuff we smoked was nothing like the stuff you get today,and yes speaking from recent experience of Festivals and visits to Amsterdam i know what i am talking about.The dope we smoked came mainly from Morocco and Lebanon,at odd times you could sometimes get Pakistani or Afghani hash which was much,much stronger( i say not too often i am talking about Jersey).I do think it should be legalised so strength,quality and supply could be controlled and also taxed plus dispensed from safe legal places thus taking away the contact with criminal elements.I also do know medicinal Cannabis is a very good pain relief for Arthritis,again i speak from experience........
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Good points both of you, and thanks for taking the time and effort to reason and explain your ideas. Ghosttrain said something that is really important in that matter. I believe that we have to differ between the usage of the drug, which has its own problems and surely is not for young people, who are in the midst of development. My whole points were about the discrimination of the users. Bunny said some things that i also can relate to, but i want to add, that if you have people who have problems with their habits and their sourroundings i totally think that also criminalzing them makes everything worse. How many people are in jail because of posession of cannabis? How does being in jail affect them?...
As ghosttrain said, with legalization comes control about the substance and if problems would occur you wouldn't have to keeep it a secret, in fear of being arrested.
My life has been pretty fucked up because of the laws against cannabis, not by cannabis. And if it were legal, billions off dollars would go into the tax-structure instead of narco dollars and you would be allowed to sow some seeds and just reap some tasty, wellbeing bringing fruits, without having to buy this insanely strong modifyed weed.
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But if I had kids what would I teach them is none of your bussines.
But it is my business. I assume you live on planet Earth. Therefore your kids may one day interact with me, interact with my kids, interact with other people on this planet. If you raise your kids that doing drugs is no big deal, well that is a problem for me and everybody else in our society. Driving while under the influence, robbing people to get money to buy their drugs...don't you see that how one raises one's kids IS all our business.
Dont worry.Our kids are pretty far from interacting your greatest,bright,white,medalwinner,best kids/society.We are too busy struggling with our own problems caused by some parts of your nation(cia,pentagon,white house) and trying to teach them how to survive against the power obsessed country which is trying to control everything and keeping us divided,broken,corrupted and bringing never ending wars,crimes,pain,blood,tears to our land and leaving behind so many broken lives.I think you d better teach your kids not to threaten other nations before weed,alcohol or gambling.
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Of all the crap Whirlwind spouts I'm so with him on one point and that's his dislike of Bon Jovi, I sooooo can't stand them, my most hated band of all time.
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Bunny and Ghosttrain are correct. And I don't think they are agreeing with Whirlwind because Whirlwind is always correct and they simply want to ride his coattails and bask in his glory. No. I do believe Bunny's and Ghosttrain's correct thoughts about weed stem from the fact that they have had massive experience with weed and know of what they speak.
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….We are too busy struggling with our own problems caused by some parts of your nation(cia,pentagon,white house) and trying to teach them how to survive against the power obsessed country which is trying to control everything and keeping us divided,broken,corrupted and bringing never ending wars,crimes,pain,blood,tears to our land and leaving behind so many broken lives.
You've been listening to too many Pete Seeger, Joan Baez, Woody Guthrie, and New Model Army songs.
I suggest you chill out and buy the latest John Bon Jovi album. Free your mind from poisonous anti-American lyrics and just sit back and listen to John's simplistic idiocy.
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Of all the crap Whirlwind spouts I'm so with him on one point and that's his dislike of Bon Jovi, I sooooo can't stand them, my most hated band of all time.
Yup. Mr. Bon Jovi's music is as bad as it gets. I actually give the guy credit for being so bad. At least he is good at something.
Just curious, who is your number two "I sooooo can't stand them" musical artist?
I go with Billy Joel. Oh, is he bad. Not funny bad, but makes me angry bad.
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….We are too busy struggling with our own problems caused by some parts of your nation(cia,pentagon,white house) and trying to teach them how to survive against the power obsessed country which is trying to control everything and keeping us divided,broken,corrupted and bringing never ending wars,crimes,pain,blood,tears to our land and leaving behind so many broken lives.
You've been listening to too many Pete Seeger, Joan Baez, Woody Guthrie, and New Model Army songs.
I suggest you chill out and buy the latest John Bon Jovi album. Free your mind from poisonous anti-American lyrics and just sit back and listen to John's simplistic idiocy.
I dont listen to these except for the New Model Army.Im not poisoned by anti americanism.Im living in a reality.I suggest you to get a bottle of jack daniels and roll a good joint and listen some good old Motörhead.You can start by the song "Just Cos You Got The Power,That Dont Mean You Got The Right".Maybe you learn something.
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I suggest you to get a bottle of jack daniels and roll a good joint and listen some good old Motörhead.
I don't drink alcohol, I don't do drugs, I do listen to Motorhead. And right there is the lesson for everybody: You don't need alcohol, you don't need drugs, all you really need in life is Motorhead.
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I suggest you to get a bottle of jack daniels and roll a good joint and listen some good old Motörhead.
I don't drink alcohol, I don't do drugs, I do listen to Motorhead. And right there is the lesson for everybody: You don't need alcohol, you don't need drugs, all you really need in life is Motorhead.
Motorhead. A band that made music after copious amounts of alcohol and drugs.
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Motorhead. A band that made music after copious amounts of alcohol and drugs.
Urban legend. Just like the bull crap that soldiers in Vietnam were all stoned.
Use your noodle. You think a soldier with danger and death all around him would go out on patrol stoned out of his gourd? Do you think a band would go into the studio to lay down tracks would be so wasted that they couldn't even walk let alone play their instruments? Do me a favor, listen to Motorhead. Listen to the incredible musicianship of the players. You think Phil Taylor, Fast Eddie, and Lemmy were wasted when they laid down that incredible music? Incredible to do straight, impossible to do wasted.
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Motorhead. A band that made music after copious amounts of alcohol and drugs.
Urban legend. Just like the bull crap that soldiers in Vietnam were all stoned.
Use your noodle. You think a soldier with danger and death all around him would go out on patrol stoned out of his gourd? Do you think a band would go into the studio to lay down tracks would be so wasted that they couldn't even walk let alone play their instruments? Do me a favor, listen to Motorhead. Listen to the incredible musicianship of the players. You think Phil Taylor, Fast Eddie, and Lemmy were wasted when they laid down that incredible music? Incredible to do straight, impossible to do wasted.
No I dont think that. But I do think they used alcohol and drugs in copious amounts.
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Of all the crap Whirlwind spouts I'm so with him on one point and that's his dislike of Bon Jovi, I sooooo can't stand them, my most hated band of all time.
I pretty much dislike Guns n Roses but not for their musical output, although it doesn't do anything for me, but maybe more so Axl Rose than the actual band. His treatment of fans during live performances regarding when he drags his arse on stage doesn't do it for me, yeah he's a rock n roll hero, but why piss on those that pay your wages, total and utter knobhead in my eyes.
Not overly impressed with some of Manchester's supposed finest either especially when you have a band like The Chameleons getting over looked, pretty sure you'll agree with me on that score Whirlwind.
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I pretty much dislike Guns n Roses but not for their musical output, although it doesn't do anything for me, but maybe more so Axl Rose than the actual band. His treatment of fans during live performances regarding when he drags his arse on stage doesn't do it for me, yeah he's a rock n roll hero, but why piss on those that pay your wages, total and utter knobhead in my eyes.
Not overly impressed with some of Manchester's supposed finest either especially when you have a band like The Chameleons getting over looked, pretty sure you'll agree with me on that score Whirlwind.
I pretty much dislike Guns n Roses,
Wrong. Many of their songs are simply great kick ass rock songs. I'm not a fan of their genre, but those boys sure could come up with aggressive ass-kicking music.
more so Axl Rose than the actual band. His treatment of fans during live performances
So true. That guy was a complete tool and what he did regarding live show audiences was not rock and roll at all. It was simply that guy was not raised right and has no regard for anybody but himself. I'd use the word dick but it probably will get blocked here.
Not overly impressed with some of Manchester's supposed finest either especially when you have a band like The Chameleons getting over looked,
Hmm, two thoughts here.
1) "Manchester's supposed finest"? Uhh, I can name about fifteen bands out of Manchester area that are among the best bands that ever existed. Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Stone Roses, The Fall, Marc Riley and the Creepers, Easterhouse, Buzzcocks....
2) Yes, The Chameleons are tragically overlooked. All those phenomenal bands I listed above...The Chameleons were better than all of them.
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You forgot The Durutti Column... 8)...
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I pretty much dislike Guns n Roses but not for their musical output, although it doesn't do anything for me, but maybe more so Axl Rose than the actual band. His treatment of fans during live performances regarding when he drags his arse on stage doesn't do it for me, yeah he's a rock n roll hero, but why piss on those that pay your wages, total and utter knobhead in my eyes.
Not overly impressed with some of Manchester's supposed finest either especially when you have a band like The Chameleons getting over looked, pretty sure you'll agree with me on that score Whirlwind.
I pretty much dislike Guns n Roses,
Wrong. Many of their songs are simply great kick ass rock songs. I'm not a fan of their genre, but those boys sure could come up with aggressive ass-kicking music.
more so Axl Rose than the actual band. His treatment of fans during live performances
So true. That guy was a complete tool and what he did regarding live show audiences was not rock and roll at all. It was simply that guy was not raised right and has no regard for anybody but himself. I'd use the word dick but it probably will get blocked here.
Not overly impressed with some of Manchester's supposed finest either especially when you have a band like The Chameleons getting over looked,
Hmm, two thoughts here.
1) "Manchester's supposed finest"? Uhh, I can name about fifteen bands out of Manchester area that are among the best bands that ever existed. Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Stone Roses, The Fall, Marc Riley and the Creepers, Easterhouse, Buzzcocks....
2) Yes, The Chameleons are tragically overlooked. All those phenomenal bands I listed above...The Chameleons were better than all of them.
I pretty much dislike Guns n Roses, [/b]
Wrong. Many of their songs are simply great kick ass rock songs. I'm not a fan of their genre, but those boys sure could come up with aggressive ass-kicking music.
- but not for their musical output - you missed this bit in your statement Whirlwind
1) "Manchester's supposed finest"? Uhh, I can name about fifteen bands out of Manchester area that are among the best bands that ever existed. Joy Division, New Order, Smiths, Stone Roses, The Fall, Marc Riley and the Creepers, Easterhouse, Buzzcocks....
Oh I'm a big Joy Division fan even having recently visited Ian Curtis's grave and I've seen New Order several time and The Fall back in 1988. I don't mind the rest of the bands you have listed although I find The Stone Roses so totally over rated along with Oasis.
2) Yes, The Chameleons are tragically overlooked. All those phenomenal bands I listed above...The Chameleons were better than all of them.
Oh I totally agree with you on that score. I've seen them live a few times and never came away disappointed and I have even enjoyed many Chameleons Vox gigs as well. I even saw Mark Burgess supporting NMA in Manchester a few years back.
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I find The Stone Roses so totally over rated along with Oasis.
Oasis sure were capable of a great song here and there. "Morning Gory" "Live Forever" "Wonderwall"
Stone Roses are not overrated. They deserve all the love and praise they get. Is everything they've done brilliant? Of course not. But I always found them to be above any of their contemporaries. Here's everybody and then alllll the way up here are The Stone Roses.
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That legalisation of canabis is one of the few things I appreciate about america. 8)
I'm angrily against it.
I believe we gave up on Prohibition too soon. Prohibition - no alcohol - should be the way of the land. Weed? Uhh, if I feel our alcohol should be banned, then weed should be too.
I am also against legalized gambling, which is something many of our states are now allowing.
I'm no ascetic (look that one up, kids). I just feel a government should not foster (and by legislation condone) vices. Weed. alcohol, gambling are vices, not virtues. A government has no right to step in and welcome them into society.
So you prefer illegal gambling then :) :) :)
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I am also against legalized gambling, which is something many of our states are now allowing.
So you prefer illegal gambling then :) :) :)
Yes, of course I prefer illegal gambling over legal gambling. Illegal gambling is hidden, hard to do thus a small number of people do it. Legal gambling allows for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to just click on a computer and place a bet. People that normally would not participate in illegal gambling now readily participate in legal gambling.
Why do not a lot of people walk on the moon? Because it is hard to do. You make that easier to do and people will die. Just look at Mt. Everest to see how that is correct. You make gambling easier for the public to do, hardship and sadness will reach many people and families.
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That legalisation of canabis is one of the few things I appreciate about america. 8)
I'm angrily against it.
I believe we gave up on Prohibition too soon. Prohibition - no alcohol - should be the way of the land. Weed? Uhh, if I feel our alcohol should be banned, then weed should be too.
I am also against legalized gambling, which is something many of our states are now allowing.
I'm no ascetic (look that one up, kids). I just feel a government should not foster (and by legislation condone) vices. Weed. alcohol, gambling are vices, not virtues. A government has no right to step in and welcome them into society.
So you prefer illegal gambling then :) :) :)
AS you have no issue with illegal gambling , would you prefer illegal alcohol drinking and drug taking? :)
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AS you have no issue with illegal gambling , would you prefer illegal alcohol drinking and drug taking? :)
Yes, of course.
Gambling should be illegal. Drugs should be illegal. Alcohol should be illegal. Same reason I gave above: making it harder (illegal) for the general public to do would make less people do it.
If it were legal to break into somebody's home and steal their stuff, you would be doing that ten times a day. But it is illegal...so let me ask you, how many homes did you break into and take their stuff this week? None. Make that legal and you would be taking all your neighbors' TVs. Make gambling, drugs, alcohol legal and tons of people do it ten times a day.
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''Alcohol should be illegal''.........it was remember ? prohibition was a great success in your country was it not ?.... ;D...
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''Alcohol should be illegal''.........it was remember ? prohibition was a great success in your country was it not ?.... ;D...
You can knock Prohibition all you want, but without Prohibition the world would not have great artistic achievements in literature, film, and television: THE GREAT GATSBY, THE UNTOUCHABLES, and HBO's "Boardwalk Empire."
And they gave up on Prohibition far too soon. Should have bit the bullet and kept it going. I guarantee you by the year 2019 we would have all looked upon alcohol in the same hateful manner we look upon genocide or terrorism or Bon Jovi music.
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''Alcohol should be illegal''.........it was remember ? prohibition was a great success in your country was it not ?.... ;D...
You can knock Prohibition all you want, but without Prohibition the world would not have great artistic achievements in literature, film, and television: THE GREAT GATSBY, THE UNTOUCHABLES, and HBO's "Boardwalk Empire."
And they gave up on Prohibition far too soon. Should have bit the bullet and kept it going. I guarantee you by the year 2019 we would have all looked upon alcohol in the same hateful manner we look upon genocide or terrorism or Bon Jovi music.
I know you say you're free drug but what are you smoking?
What leftist nonsense are you spewing to know what is best for all
Worry about yourself and yours, keep your nose out of other peoples business
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Worry about yourself and yours, keep your nose out of other peoples business
Once again, your business is my business. As much as I wish it were true, I do not live on my own planet. I have to deal with the low lives on this planet who make poor choices. To legalize alcohol, drugs, and gambling, those poor choices are made far easier for the low lives on this planet.
Other peoples' business is my business because what they do affects me. You can't understand that simple concept of society? Your actions affect others. I want your actions to be correct -- not to be legalized weed.
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Worry about yourself and yours, keep your nose out of other peoples business
Once again, your business is my business. As much as I wish it were true, I do not live on my own planet. I have to deal with the low lives on this planet who make poor choices. To legalize alcohol, drugs, and gambling, those poor choices are made far easier for the low lives on this planet.
Other peoples' business is my business because what they do affects me. You can't understand that simple concept of society? Your actions affect others. I want your actions to be correct -- not to be legalized weed.
No my business is not your business
Enjoy your own world there buddy
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No my business is not your business
I don't know what country you are from, but clearly your education system is poor.
You were never taught anything about the Social Contract. You think John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau play soccer for Real Madrid.
Kid, when you learn the idea of a social contract, then come back and discuss things with me. We are clearly on different levels of learning. Mine is higher thought, yours is infantile -- my business is none of your business. Wow. I literally have heard a five year old say that.
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Whirlwind will be leaving us now...