Eyes Get Used To The Darkness = No Rest 2.0 ?

[cthulhu]

This question or feeling is stuck in my head for so long, so how do you feel about this theory..

It has mostly to do with the drums kicking in in EGUTTD, it reminded me of the No Rest Rhythm, but the feeling was more present live...like when Justin is shredding and then he shifts the tone and then No Rest starts...i kind of fell for it more than one time thinking No Rest will come but then EGUTTD began...

You know what i mean? Or am i totally off track...
I also think that thematically it could be a hint from EGUTTD to No Rest..somehow...

[Guillaume]

And "Die trying" on the same album sounds at the beginning like "Higher wall" part 2!  I imagine it can't always be easy to avoid repeating yourself when you've been writing music for so many years and albums. On UNBROKEN there are also bass lines that remind me of Nelson's work on the album TODAY IS A GOOD DAY.

[cthulhu]

I would agree..and i think these isn't about having a hard time not to repeat yourself with such a catalogue of songs but i think are both are total deliberate descisions. To present the story in that way.
With Higher Wall and Die Trying it really feels like a part two or an ongoing telling of the same story or topic, with a very similar music structure. And with EGUTTD and No Rest i feel the connection lies in the theme of guilt and conscience in both songs, but the similarities are more subtle.  It's kind of a hint to the past musically, like a hidden hommage or quoting your own work.

[huwcamden]

Afew other examples of close similarity I'd noticed are in the the intro to "wonderful way to go" the single lead guitar notes are almost the same as the acoustic guitar notes in the "green and grey" intro and the verse to "long goodbye" is highly reminiscent of "stupid questions"...both songs from "strange brotherhood" so maybe some patching up was going on in production...either way it's totally fine to plagiarise yourself in my book and the songs work great.

[Guillaume]

Afew other examples of close similarity I'd noticed are in the the intro to "wonderful way to go" the single lead guitar notes are almost the same as the acoustic guitar notes in the "green and grey" intro

The famous guitar intro of "Green and grey" was "stolen" it seems from the band Yes on this track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGAWR2eRyQ&list=RDLuGAWR2eRyQ&start_radio=1

[cthulhu]

Afew other examples of close similarity I'd noticed are in the the intro to "wonderful way to go" the single lead guitar notes are almost the same as the acoustic guitar notes in the "green and grey" intro and the verse to "long goodbye" is highly reminiscent of "stupid questions"...both songs from "strange brotherhood" so maybe some patching up was going on in production...either way it's totally fine to plagiarise yourself in my book and the songs work great.

The "long goodbye" reminiscence to "stupid question" i also felt/heard at once then and now that you've mentioned it, i can hear wwtg in my head and yeah...there is something there...and damn, once you heard something in a special way, you can't unhear it ;-) Like misheard lyrics...another topic..

Afew other examples of close similarity I'd noticed are in the the intro to "wonderful way to go" the single lead guitar notes are almost the same as the acoustic guitar notes in the "green and grey" intro

The famous guitar intro of "Green and grey" was "stolen" it seems from the band Yes on this track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGAWR2eRyQ&list=RDLuGAWR2eRyQ&start_radio=1

Yes, (no pun intended;-) that's amazing how similar in feeling, notes and atmosphere that sounds. Totally could be of some influence unconsciously but also consciously, but i somehow doubt it. Just can't imagine (why?) that they heard or liked the music of Yes..but that's also just a stupid assumption and it could totally also be like Rob loved them, i just don't know.

With all these examples, great ones and totally great to mention, they do not get to what i was feeling with EGUTTD and No Rest..i feels to me, that maybe the lyrics came first and Justin said let's have a similar drum feeling of no rest, because i want to hint to that, write another story, same but different...

Anyway it's all speculation. But i do feel there's a clear line between similar ideas, inspiration, synchronicity, the common consciousnes field and plagiarism.

Plagiarism is taking another ones idea, because you know it works for you, and then try to exploit it, at least that's how i try to seperate those different meanings.

And anyway, there's never nothing new under the sun!

..."Double, triple bluff and then back on itself
a world of ironies and tribute bands, everything downsized
I don't know where it was but I swear I've heard that song
...

 

[huwcamden]

There's 2 other songs on "winter" which are very similar also I'd noticed...The drum beat to "weak and strong" is identical to "orange tree roads" (taken from modern love by the thin white duke himself I reckon!)..and the chugging menacing monotone riff intro to "burn the castle" is pretty much "lurrstap" (both of which come from English civil war by the clash most likely)..still sound great though and possibly purposefully done as I know the winter album was a deliberate back to basics punk band in a room album....oh and beat wise, as cthulhu's original post was pointing out I'd say the thrash metal drumbeat from "225"has been replicated in "get me out".
The similarities are in the music and rhythms mainly though, very little repetition in vocal melodies or lyrics though, which is pretty amazing over 300 songs or so.